Prince Ernst August (V) and the Royal House of Hanover (March 2008-) - Page 13

Florestane · #**241** 10-10-2015, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wyevale

Caroline already enjoys what she most wanted from the match.. HRH status..

I completely disagree, we have no proof that Caroline wanted to be HRH more than anything -if that were the case why did she bother marrying either of her first husbands. It's not even a real HRH.

MARG · #**242** 10-10-2015, 08:16 PM

What is a "real" HRH and what is fake about the Hanoverian HRH's?

Curryong · #**243** 10-10-2015, 08:26 PM

Isn't it because all the legal privileges of royalty and nobility were abolished in Germany in 1919? Titles can be used but only as part of a person's name.

Florestane · #**244** 10-11-2015, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG

What is a "real" HRH and what is fake about the Hanoverian HRH's?

What Curryong said. At least Caroline's HSH is "real" as her family still governs. The Hanoverian HRH is not "real" in that Germany is a republic and titles are not legally recognized.

I know Caroline is, and always has been, very aware of her position but I think there was a little more to wanting marriage with Ernst than a desire to be an HRH.

Iluvbertie · #**245** 10-11-2015, 02:24 AM

She was pregnant at the time so maybe she also wanted a legitimate status for her child.

Duc_et_Pair · #**246** 10-11-2015, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Florestane

What Curryong said. At least Caroline's HSH is "real" as her family still governs. The Hanoverian HRH is not "real" in that Germany is a republic and titles are not legally recognized.

I know Caroline is, and always has been, very aware of her position but I think there was a little more to wanting marriage with Ernst than a desire to be an HRH.

Note that HRH is no title at all and is a form of address which is still in use. Like Your Excellency for an Ambassador, Your Eminence for a Cardinal, Your Honour for a Judge. Like in Spain Don Jaime de Marichalar (who has no title but is the son of a Count) is addressed as Excelentísimo Señor.

The HRH of the Hannoverians is perfectly real since they are listed as such in the Almanach de Gotha and the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, the Bibles for all royal and noble Houses. As son of Prince Ernst August of Hannover, Duke of Braunschweig and Lüneburg and of Princess Ortrud of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg there is nothing "fake" about the Hannoverian blue blood. Their impressive castles, almost collapsing under the numerous priceless historic collections, are proof of their greatness, with even "delivering" Kings of Great Britain. The fact that Germany is now a republic does not change that.

maria-olivia · #**247** 10-11-2015, 07:17 AM

Clever explanation I agree 100%.

Florestane · #**248** 10-11-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Note that HRH is no title at all and is a form of address which is still in use. Like Your Excellency for an Ambassador, Your Eminence for a Cardinal, Your Honour for a Judge. Like in Spain Don Jaime de Marichalar (who has no title but is the son of a Count) is addressed as Excelentísimo Señor.

The HRH of the Hannoverians is perfectly real since they are listed as such in the Almanach de Gotha and the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, the Bibles for all royal and noble Houses. As son of Prince Ernst August of Hannover, Duke of Braunschweig and Lüneburg and of Princess Ortrud of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg there is nothing "fake" about the Hannoverian blue blood. Their impressive castles, almost collapsing under the numerous priceless historic collections, are proof of their greatness, with even "delivering" Kings of Great Britain. The fact that Germany is now a republic does not change that.

I didn't say there was anything fake about Hanoverian "blue" blood - I made the point that Caroline is not so superficial to marry for a HRH title, style, whatever it is... when her HSH title, style, whatever it is... actually has legitimate meaning as she comes from a family that actually governs - unlike the Hanovers.

And thank you, I am fully aware of the Hanover history and links to the British Royal family.

Duc_et_Pair · #**249** 10-11-2015, 10:34 AM

Well legitimate or not, even by the palais princier itself she is referred as HRH The Princess of Hannover: http://www.palais.mc/fr/la-famille-p...aphie-1-8.html

When the Right Honourable Jeremy B. Corbyn has his way and vests the British Republic we may assume that then Prince Charles or Prince William are no longer a HRH anymore, following your way of thinking?

Florestane · #**250** 10-11-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Well legitimate or not, even by the palais princier itself she is referred as HRH The Princess of Hannover: http://www.palais.mc/fr/la-famille-p...aphie-1-8.html

When the Right Honourable Jeremy B. Corbyn has his way and vests the British Republic we may assume that then Prince Charles or Prince William are no longer a HRH anymore, following your way of thinking?

And again, I am aware of how she is styled by the Monegasque palace, by other "royal" families, by the world and his wife.

And again, my point was that HRH was not, in my opinion, Caroline's main reason for marrying (or staying married to) Prince Ernst - she may have many faults but I don't think superficiality is one of them.

Jeremy Corbyn ain't gonna get no British Republic, but in that unlikely event, Charles and William, who would most probably legally be Messrs. Mountbatten-Windsor, can call themselves what they want.

Rudolph · #**251** 10-11-2015, 02:48 PM

Caroline being a Serene Highness in a sovereign nation trumps being a HRH of a family that hasn't ruled for almost 100 years.

Florestane · #**252** 10-11-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudolph

Caroline being a Serene Highness in a sovereign nation trumps being a HRH of a family that hasn't ruled for almost 100 years.

Nicely put - why didn't I just say that? 😱

Duke of Marmalade · #**253** 10-18-2015, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kit

RTL and Vox are reporting that Ernst August and his girlfriend Simona have broken up. Apparently she already works for a nightclub again. Don't know how reliable these reports are but both TV stations are already speculating if there will be a reconciliation with Caroline. Well one never knows but I think that's unlikely.

Ernst August von Hannover trennt sich von seiner Simona - Leute - Bild.de

Bunte has this as cover story. Simona went back to the escort service where she met EA. They claim that she decided to leave and that EA has health problems (nothing new). Maybe she wanted more than being a mistress and she probably has the chance to marry one of her sugar daddys. The brothel Babylon, where she works, has a picture of her and two colleagues online as advertisement (topless).

I think Caroline and EA have an agreement for many years, they remain loyal to each other but nothing more. I don't think there will ever be a divorce and there will be no rekindled romance either.

fandesacs2003 · #**254** 10-18-2015, 08:02 AM

I feel sorry for Alexandra. Anyway, it is better they split. Imagine if he divorced to marry her? And make her the next HRH THE Princess of Hannover

Lee-Z · #**255** 02-20-2016, 12:54 PM

Dutch gossip mag "Prive" quotes Bunte with an article "Where is Ernst-August of Hannover" who apparently hasn't been seen since 2014

Waar is Ernst von Hannover?|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

translation

fandesacs2003 · #**256** 02-20-2016, 01:15 PM

I can't read the whole article. It seems locked. Anyway, that is true that except the Octoberfest and a couple of few other appearances he seems vanished from the outside world. Sad.

Missy- · #**257** 05-16-2016, 11:28 PM

Has Ernst August resurfaced yet, has anyone seen or heard?

Lee-Z · #**258** 04-20-2017, 01:55 PM

Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

Blog Real · #**259** 04-20-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z

Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

Where can I see information about this?

Ernst August of Hanover: In the helicopter to emergency surgery!

Ernst August of Hannover was seriously ill and had to undergo a vascular operation.

The long medical history of Ernst August von Hannover (63) was always public. To his pancreatic inflammation, the palace in Monaco issued a communiqué. After a knee surgery, his doctor invited him to a press conference. And now Princess Caroline (60) is deeply concerned because her husband had to undergo emergency surgery.

The Welfenprinz was flown with the helicopter into the country hospital in the Austrian Feldkirch. In the clinic one is familiar with prominent patients. Princess Alexia of the Netherlands (11) was operated in Feldkirch in March after a ski accident. Her uncle Prince Friso († 44) was treated here. Ernst August of Hanover underwent a vascular operation in the department of Wolfgang Hofmann. He is a specialist for the treatment of narrowed or closed veins.
Ernst August von Hannover: Im Helikopter zur Not-OP! | BUNTE.de

eya · #**260** 04-20-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z

Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

According this he is in hospital with heart problems (thanks Lee-Z)

Ernst August von Hannover: Im Helikopter zur Not-OP! | BUNTE.de