Death & Funeral of Richard, 6th Prince zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg: March 2017

[Al_bina]

Condolences to the family.

[Stefanie]

Who will be the next heir after Gustavs death since he won't have children with Carina?

[Al_bina]

If Prince Gustav were childless, the succession line would be moved to Prince Robin, Prince Richard's younger brother, and his children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince...tein-Berleburg

[Countessmeout]

Is it just the title that goes to robin? Or the money and everything else that goes with it? I know little of German titles. I know with many aristocratic titles, thohgh the title was list or past to another branch, the personal fortune remained with the family.

Anyways truly sad news. Sad that it was so sudden that Benedikte was not home with him. My condolences to his wife, children and grandchildren

[dazzling]

When does the funeral expect to take place?

[QueenPenny]

Condolences to his loved ones.

[episcogal]

Terribly sad news - Condolences to Bene and family.

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Is it just the title that goes to robin? Or the money and everything else that goes with it?

Vast money and estates which are connected to the title of Fürst.

Gustav wouldn't lose his title of Prince, Carina would be Princess in case of marriage, but would not be considered as Fürst, Head of the family. The money and estates that go with it also, by personal will of his grandfather.

So, Gustav is not forbidden to marry by any means. It is just said that he wouldn't inherit personal wealth of his grandfather if he doesn't marry kind of girl his grandfather wanted.

Originally Posted by Al_bina

If Prince Gustav were childless, the succession line would be moved to Prince Robin, Prince Richard's younger brother, and his children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince...tein-Berleburg

The clause was that the Heir to Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg estate has to be married to Protestant Aryan noble girl, which excludes Prince Robin and his descendants.

So, the next in line who should inherit would be Prince Bernhart zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg(adopted Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein) who lives in Berleburg and was/is married to Countess Katharina von Podewils-Dürnitz.

[Alyend]

Sad news, my condolences to Princess Benedikte and her family.

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by Marc23

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The clause was that the Heir to Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg estate has to be married to Protestant Aryan noble girl, which excludes Prince Robin and his descendants.

So, the next in line who should inherit would be Prince Bernhart zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg(adopted Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein) who lives in Berleburg and was/is married to Countess Katharina von Podewils-Dürnitz.

Thanks for the clarification!
The clause situation is very complicated. I wonder what should happen for it to be annulled.

[Muhler]

BB reports that Princess Benedikte and her children are gathered at Berleburg. They are understandably distressed and are now preparing the funeral: Benedikte og børnene samlet på Berleburg | BILLED-BLADET

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Marc23

Vast money and estates which are connected to the title of Fürst.



Gustav wouldn't lose his title of Prince, Carina would be Princess in case of marriage, but would not be considered as Fürst, Head of the family. The money and estates that go with it also, by personal will of his grandfather.



So, Gustav is not forbidden to marry by any means. It is just said that he wouldn't inherit personal wealth of his grandfather if he doesn't marry kind of girl his grandfather wanted.









The clause was that the Heir to Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg estate has to be married to Protestant Aryan noble girl, which excludes Prince Robin and his descendants.



So, the next in line who should inherit would be Prince Bernhart zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg(adopted Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein) who lives in Berleburg and was/is married to Countess Katharina von Podewils-Dürnitz.

Would it really exclude Prince Robin? Although not a very prominent one, his first wife and mother of his heir, Birgitta af Klercker does come from a Swedish noble family.

[iceflower]

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It was announced today that the funeral mass will be held next Tuesday, March 21, at 2 pm at the Evangelische Stadtkirche in Bad Berleburg, Germany:



** BB: Prins Richard begraves på tirsdag i Berleburg ** translation **

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Tarlita

Very sad for HRH Princess Benedikte and her family. I suppose poor Richard became increasingly frustrated and perhaps a little bitter over the years due to the weird terms of his fathers Will. I really do hope that Prince Gustav can claim his birthright in a proper manner - legally- sooner rather than later. That is;- that the German courts overturn the relevant parts of the grandfathers Will.
Many Thanks to Muhler and others for information given on Richard and his family.

The new Fürst is not witheld his birthright. He is the successor to his father as the new head of the princely House Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. He is also not barred at all to marry Ms Carina Axelsson. This means that none of his rights are infringed at all.

A Will is an expression of the wish of the deceased owner of the properties involved. Such a Will can come with conditions. For an example: the grandchildren receive a stipendium upon graduating from university. You did not graduate? Too bad for you: no stipendium. You simply did not met the condition for receiving the stipendium.

Prince Gustav's grandfather wanted to ensure that the head of his illustrious House keeps loyal to the standards and traditions of the House, that an alliance must be befitting the prestige and the dignity of the House. Anno 2017 this condition might sound outdated but it is not against any human right. After all no one blocks Prince Gustav to marry. Yes, it can have consequences that Ms Axelsson does not meet the requirement that she must be of equal standing (of noble birth) but it is up to Prince Gustav to make his own choice in this.

Note that requirements are of all times. In most monarchies a successor can not marry without permission of the Sovereign. Until recently a successor to the British throne would loose his rights when marrying a "papist". In the Netherlands Parliament even has to vote on a Bill of Consent when a successor wants to engage in marriage (which goes with an official counsel, a reading in commission and a plenary debate even, mind you... only because A wants to marry B).

So when the dot meets the i, no any right of Prince Gustav is harmed. That is also why they have problems to fight the Will. For the same money Prince Gustav's grandfather could have donated everything to a Foundation for Veterans of the Wehrmacht deployed at the Russian East Front... For so far the very same Will has made it able to the late Prince Richard and now Prince Gustav to have a very, very privileged life in great wealth.

[Muhler]

In this video from BB, Joachim express his sadness over the death of Prince Richard and his sympathy for Princess Benedikte and her children.
VIDEO: Prins Joachim i sorg over prins Richard | BILLED-BLADET

[Rudolph]

I'm confused. Wouldn't Princess Benedikte be a member of his family and not the other way around?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by JR76

Would it really exclude Prince Robin? Although not a very prominent one, his first wife and mother of his heir, Birgitta af Klercker does come from a Swedish noble family.

It depends on the Will. We don't know if only the heir of Fürst Gustav Albrecht is required to marry a noble, protestant and arian lady or ar also the second heir like it was in the Prussia Case. If it is only his heir then Prince Robin and his descendantsd would not be excluded.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Stefan

It depends on the Will. We don't know if only the heir of Fürst Gustav Albrecht is required to marry a noble, protestant and arian lady or ar also the second heir like it was in the Prussia Case. If it is only his heir then Prince Robin and his descendantsd would not be excluded.

Excuse me, but what is an "Aryan lady" exactly ? Was Prince Richard's father a Nazi or something like that ?

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Excuse me, but what is an "Aryan lady" exactly ? Was Prince Richard's father a Nazi or something like that ?

Probably means from German/Austrian noble family...

[Marc23]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The new Fürst is not witheld his birthright. He is the successor to his father as the new head of the princely House Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. He is also not barred at all to marry Ms Carina Axelsson. This means that none of his rights are infringed at all.

A Will is an expression of the wish of the deceased owner of the properties involved. Such a Will can come with conditions. For an example: the grandchildren receive a stipendium upon graduating from university. You did not graduate? Too bad for you: no stipendium. You simply did not met the condition for receiving the stipendium.

Prince Gustav's grandfather wanted to ensure that the head of his illustrious House keeps loyal to the standards and traditions of the House, that an alliance must be befitting the prestige and the dignity of the House. Anno 2017 this condition might sound outdated but it is not against any human right. After all no one blocks Prince Gustav to marry. Yes, it can have consequences that Ms Axelsson does not meet the requirement that she must be of equal standing (of noble birth) but it is up to Prince Gustav to make his own choice in this.

Note that requirements are of all times. In most monarchies a successor can not marry without permission of the Sovereign. Until recently a successor to the British throne would loose his rights when marrying a "papist". In the Netherlands Parliament even has to vote on a Bill of Consent when a successor wants to engage in marriage (which goes with an official counsel, a reading in commission and a plenary debate even, mind you... only because A wants to marry B).

So when the dot meets the i, no any right of Prince Gustav is harmed. That is also why they have problems to fight the Will. For the same money Prince Gustav's grandfather could have donated everything to a Foundation for Veterans of the Wehrmacht deployed at the Russian East Front... For so far the very same Will has made it able to the late Prince Richard and now Prince Gustav to have a very, very privileged life in great wealth.

Spot on! :-)