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Old 08-26-2019, 12:38 PM
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Could Pavlos have the title of "King of the Hellenes" (different from King of Greece). It can also be called the Duke of Sparta. Or you can continue with the title of Crown Prince. But we will only know after King Constantine departs.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:42 PM
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He'll continue to be styled (titular) Crown Prince unless there's a miraculous change of regime in Greece.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:52 PM
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The Crown Prince Pavlos has the title created by the Hellenes Royal House and recognized by other European royal houses of Duke of Sparta(Crown Prince ). In the future, when he would be Head of the Royal house, it will be necessary to distinguish: - For the monarchists, he will be the King of the Hellenes, because he is HEad of the Royal house.

- Between Royal houses, or the protocol of the Royal Houses, he will be the Head of the royal house of the Hellenes, with title of Prince( because it is necesary a throne to be king). For Greece, if in the future it would change its _ form of state to monarchy (assuming the rules that govern European royal houses) he would be HEAD of state of Greece, therefore King of Greece.
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Nobiliary titles are personal,it is established at the resolution of the court of Strasbourg of 2000, but also, is included in the agreement of Vienna of 1815. The nobiliary titles are not of the states, because
The royal houses are before than the states. The Royal houses are Personal and historical entities,( with own and particular rules between royal houses outside the states).
Do you have a link to this ruling?

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The states is a territorial entity, with a population and a political form,. A state can modify its political form, monarchy,or republic, but the Royal house can not be suppressed by a state because it is not competent. A state can grant legal effect to titles nobiliary or not.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but I can't see how it could be possible for a state to have the authority to grant titles but not to suppress them.

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I don't know about " of Greece", but my understanding is that all male line descendants of King Christian IX are " Princes of Denmark ". , except the descendants of King Christian X who are in the line of succession to the Danish throne and are therefore "Princes to Denmark". Instead.
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All members of the Greek royal family do and will always be titles Prince/Princess (name) of Greece and Denmark,
Count Ingolf of Rosenborg is a male line descendant of King Christian IX and he is no longer a Prince to (or of) Denmark. My understanding is that authority to determine who is a Prince or Princess of (or to) Denmark is vested in the Danish monarch.
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:17 PM
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I think monarchists will regard him as King Pavlos II of the Hellenes but he will always be HRH The Crown Princess. This is in the same regard to the late Crown Prince Otto and his heir that even after his father's death, he remained Crown Prince. Same with the Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia.

Pavlos' heir will still be addressed as Prince and not Crown Prince.

Unless, King Constantine decrees Pavlos to be called King or any title with a style of His Majesty after his death like Margareta of Romania then it will have basis.
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