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Old 09-23-2015, 07:41 AM
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Tillia,
The Prince of Lobkowitz , is the only surviving Son of Princess Françoise . His two brothers died in tragic circumstances. I don't know if he is Royal Highness ?
The Princes Lobkowics are styled Serene Highnesses (with the only exception, I believe, of Princess Françoise, who is a Royal Highness).
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:57 AM
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Prince Charles of Lobkovicz is past 50, unmarried and has no children. He has only one surviving sibling, who is a nun. So there are no nieces and nephews. His only cousins on the Bourbon-Parma side are the children of Prince Carlos-Hugo, whom his mother detested so much. So I wonder who will inherit the estate.
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:01 AM
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Indeed MAfan ,
If you are born Royal Highness you keep the tittle for your whole life.
There are a lot of exemples , SA le Prince Michel de Ligne, SAR le Princesse Michel de Ligne, le Comte Rodolphe de Limburg Stirum, SAR et I la Comtesse Rodolphe de Limburg -Stirum etc...
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:06 AM
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Princess Irene 's Children did rich Weddings .
They know they will never inherit the Lignière Castle.
the Castle will return to the Bourbon Busset
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:12 AM
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Since 1789 the French Bourbons, and their collateral branches have been unfit to manage so much as 'a whelk stall'...
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:19 AM
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Princess Irene 's Children did rich Weddings .
They know they will never inherit the Lignière Castle.
the Castle will return to the Bourbon Busset
I am not sure if the partners of the Dutch De Bourbon de Parmes qualify as "rich", only Albert Brenninkmeijer can be qualified as such.

Prince Carlos married Anne-Marie Gualthérie van Weezel. Her father was an ambassador. The family is definitely not too "pauvre".

Princess Margarita married Tjalling ten Cate, who works as a corporate laywer at a private equity firm. His father was a director of a newspaper.

Prince Jaime de Bourbon de Parme married Viktória Cservanyák, a corporate lawyer at Rabobank. Her father was a specialist in nuclear medics.

Princess Maria Carolina de Bourbon de Parme married Albert Brenninkmeijer, from the wealthiest family of the Netherlands.

I think that the first three can not pay for the upkeep of Lignières - if one of them would get this from uncle Prince Sixte-Henri. Unless there are enough millions in the Lys Fund, the financial vehicle of the Dutch De Bourbon de Parmes. And possibly their mother Princess Irene will have a few millons too: from her grandmother Queen Wilhelmina, her mother Queen Juliana and her father Prince Bernhard.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:16 PM
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Well explaned , but Uncle Sixte Henri will prefer ?? for Lignières not the on carlos Children. Is Lignières actually such a great Castle ??
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Old 09-23-2015, 01:15 PM
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Yes, Lignières is a fantastic castle in almost original state since François Le Veau constructed it 350 years ago. The Association François Le Veau, the Monuments de France and the municipality have ordered a study and a plan to restore the building. Some salons have been restored but the main work is still awaiting permission from "Paris" (Département de Culture). In good state, it is a truly fantastic castle in the wonderful Loire-et-Cher region, but also a burden.

Here the Château

Here a picture of never-ending works

Here a picture of one of the salons.

Here Prince Sixte-Henri de Bourbon de Parme in one of his salons.

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It is such a pity to see divisions among the Bourbon descendants.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:34 PM
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Well, the division in the House de Bourbon de Parme will end somewhere because the present ducal family has no male issue and will continue into a side branch and possibly ending the carlist feud for once and for all.

Line of succession to Prince Carlos, the Duke of Parma (with exclusion of the Luxembourg branch)

1. Prince Jaime (1972), son of Prince Carlos-Hugo and of Princess Irene of the Netherlands
2. Prince Sixte-Henri (1940), son of Prince Xavier and of Madeleine des comtes de Bourbon-Busset
3. Prince Michel (1926), son of Prince René and of Princess Margrethe of Denmark
4. Prince Eric (1953), son of Prince Michel and of Princess Yolande de Broglie
5. Prince Michel (1989), son of Prince Eric and of Lydia Countess af Holstein-Ledreborg
6. Prince Henri (1991), son of Prince Eric and of Lydia Countess af Holstein-Ledreborg
7. Prince Charles-Emmanuel (1961), son of Prince Michel and of Princess Yolande de Broglie
8. Prince Amaury (1991), son of Prince Charles-Emmanuel and of Constance des barons de Ravinel
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:23 PM
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The "carlist claim" has no future anyway.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:44 PM
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The wives of both the Duke and his brother are still of childbearing age so there maybe a boy or two yet.
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Old 09-25-2015, 06:46 AM
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Also Prince Henri-Sixte is an elderly, childless gentleman who is a mere number in the line of succession. With two younger nephews before him in the line he will never succeed to the headship of the house.


How do Prince Michel's descendents view the matter of carlism? Do they agree with Henri-Sixte?
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I think no one, except for some die-hards like Prince Sixte-Henri, takes the Carlist claim au sérieux. When Don Alfonso Carlos de Borbón y Austria-Este, Duke of San Jaime died in 1936, the Carlist line became extinct. Yes, Don Alfonso Carlos had nominated his nephew Prince Xavier de Bourbon de Parme, Duke of Parma, as "Regent of Carlism" but what is that worth? We may assume that most Carlists have accepted that King Alfonso XIII of Spain and his son Don Juan and his grandson Don Juan Carlos were the rightful pretenders to the throne.

For me it is beyond understanding that Prince Xavier and Prince Carlos Hugo have given so much effort to such a chanceless ideal. That Prince Carlos, the present Duke of Parma, still uses Spanish styles is laughable, at the same time we must see this in a tradition. The King of Spain is still Duke of Brabant, the King of the Netherlands is still Viscount of Antwerp, it are all titles of historic patrimonium and not to be taken too serious.
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Very well said and right ! Bravo !
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Old 09-26-2015, 06:38 AM
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Did the Royal Dutch Money pay the Carlism claim.?

I remember I was young when Princess irene married without the Consentment of Queen Juliana , renounced to the dutch throne etc... to have a catholic papal wedding in Rome without any dutch royals.

Princess Irène supported her husband 's Carlism claim which ended with Franco's will to have a Bourbon as King of Spain and a divorce for Irène and Carlos.
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:58 AM
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Did the Royal Dutch Money pay the Carlism claim.?

I remember I was young when Princess irene married without the Consentment of Queen Juliana , renounced to the dutch throne etc... to have a catholic papal wedding in Rome without any dutch royals.

Princess Irène supported her husband 's Carlism claim which ended with Franco's will to have a Bourbon as King of Spain and a divorce for Irène and Carlos.
Queen Juliana herself very much consented her daughter's choice of heart. The Government however did not want to bear political responsibility for a member of the Royal House actively involving in obtaining a foreign throne and refused to offer a Bill of Consent for the intended marriage.

And yes, the Château de Lignières became restored and refurbished in the late Sixties/early Seventies (mind you, that is almost 50 years ago now) and rumours stated that it was the rich bride (Princess Irene) who donated the millions, as after all it would become her future family home....
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Picture: baptism of Prince Carlos Xavier Bernardo Sixto Maria de Bourbon de Parme (the current Duke of Parma) in the Château de Lignières. The baptism was executed by Joseph-Charles Cardinal Lefèbvre, Archbishop of Bourges. Look at the ladies in their mantillas with peineta...

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Old 09-27-2015, 10:08 AM
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Duc , do you know the reason why they divorced, knowing thet the late Duke of Parma was always welcome to the Royal Dutch Family Events.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:11 AM
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Thanks for the Baptism picture. Queen Juliana was badly informed...

What for a Flag??
Even Monseigneur Lefevre was a contreversal Bishop.
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