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Old 05-10-2015, 02:30 PM
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Because i have no idea can someone told me if ever come buck monarchy to France who considering now as heir?
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Old 05-10-2015, 03:56 PM
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The topic is extensively discussed in this thread: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...one-10143.html

In short, the current claimants are three:
- Prince Henri d'Orléans, Count of Paris (the so-called Orléanist claimant);
- Luis Alfonso de Borbon (the so-called Legitimist claimant);
- Prince Jean Christophe Napoléon (the so-called Bonapartist claimant).
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Old 05-22-2015, 04:53 PM
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On May 11, Augustine de Sambucy Sorgue, the baby daughter of Baron Axel de Sambucy Sorgue and his wife Charlotte was christened at the Chapel of Our Lady of Compassion in Paris, France:

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Baptême d’Augustine de Sambucy de Sorgue, petite-fille de la princesse Chantal de France
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:15 PM
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The topic is extensively discussed in this thread: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...one-10143.html

In short, the current claimants are three:
- Prince Henri d'Orléans, Count of Paris (the so-called Orléanist claimant);
- Luis Alfonso de Borbon (the so-called Legitimist claimant);
- Prince Jean Christophe Napoléon (the so-called Bonapartist claimant).
Given the list, Luis Alfonso de Borbon as a King of France would have made a much better representative of France than the current crop of Presidents.
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:25 PM
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Given the list, Luis Alfonso de Borbon as a King of France would have made a good monarch.
Not possible. According to the Treaty of Utrecht of 1713 (which was a major interational treaty which also gave -for an example- French Canada to the British Crown, the Southern Netherlands to the Habsburgs, Gibraltar to Great Britain, etc.) the Great Powers agreed that the House of Bourbon could occupy the thrones of France and Spain.

In return the King of France (Louis XIV) and his grandson the King of Spain (Philippe de Bourbon, Duc d'Anjou - became King Felipe V) agreed that the two thrones would be split. Philippe d'Anjou vested the Spanish branch of the House of Bourbon, with the solemn renunciation, vested in the Treaty (so-signed by Great Britain, the Netherlands, Austria, Savoy, the German Empire, etc.), that he renounces all his rights on the throne of France for himself and all his descendants.

Luis Alfonso de Borbón is a direct descendant of Felipe V, he is a Spanish Borbón, grandson from a Spanish Infante who renounced his rights on the Spanish throne - twice. He can not claim the throne of France unless he wipes his royal derrière with the Treaty of Utrecht....

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Old 05-22-2015, 06:03 PM
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Note that not only the Duke of Anjou renounced his rights on the throne of France, for himself and for his descendants. Also his brother the Duke of Berry and his uncle the Duke of Orléans (direct benefactors of this renunciation) on their turn renounced their rights on the throne of Spain, for themselves and for their descendants. Finally King Louis XIV issued a Letters Patent assenting these three renunciations.

These reciprocal renunciations to the throne of France (by Anjou) and to the throne of Spain (by Berry and Orléans), sealed by King Louis XIV were intended to settle the balance of power in Europe on a permanent basis by permanently separating the French and Spanish Crowns. That these acts were reciprocal made them dependent upon each other, so that the breach of the terms by one party would thereby invalidate the obligations made by the other party.

The Légitimists, the supporters of Don Luis Alfonso, do act like it was all a misunderstanding by a French Prince (Philippe, Duc d'Anjou), that it was illegal and that therefore their "candidate" is the rightful Heir to the throne of France. But it is clear that all this was deliberately and extensively negotiated, involved the King himself (Louis XIV) and three Princes of the Blood Royal (Philippe Duc d'Anjou, Charles Duc de Berry and Philippe Duc d'Orléans) and sealed off by all the great powers of the time.
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"Le Figaro Magazine" about Prince Louis of Bourbon and other Kings without a Crown in Europe:

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Old 07-21-2015, 03:39 PM
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Thanks for the link!
It is nice to see Prince Louis on the cover of "Figaro". The discussion under the photo is quite lively.

Do you happen to know to who else is listed?
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The article speaks about France, Romania, Albania, Portugal,Russia,Montenegro...
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Old 07-21-2015, 05:34 PM
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Thanks for the information!
The list seems to be usual.
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:18 PM
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So is Le Figaro ignorant of the Comte de Paris or making a legitimist statement by featuring Louis Alphonse de Bourbon as the French king without a crown?


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Old 07-21-2015, 06:29 PM
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The article speaks also about the Orleans . The article's author was the one who also prepared these days a DVD with Prince Jean d'Orleans wedding.

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Old 07-23-2015, 07:54 PM
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See I do not understand this thread. The Royals in France were basically done away with. As I understand it, it was pretty gruesome, kind of like the Russians. Kind of male only thing there too. What you are speaking of in this thread are pretenders, that have no real place. The place of the Royalty in France is in the history of France, is with the people's knowledge of the history, right along with the history of the many many powerfully influential wars the French have had. There is no current monarch. French Monarchy is really more about wars than anything else. It isn't about hereditary as deeply as it is about war during the time of each reign whether or not there was a war and whether or not they fought or bought their way out of it. I am kind of picky about who I consider French royal, in history, personally as ridiculous as that is, but I don't see the Royalty to be some kind of English thing either or Spanish thing (poking a little fun, at you.) either. The French people themselves have achieved the point of Royalty though, to live like them and be equals, to live in a society that is as rich in culture and history as all the effort that went into it, if you really think about it, they do, they are a Unitary, semi-presidential, constitutional republic, that is the point of ever having Royalty in the first place. The objective of Royalty is to have all people to like they do and have the same amount of prestige to do for themselves and represent each other as people so the Royalty can be people. Just my opinion. We all have history in our hearts. However right or wrong my opinion may be.
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Old 07-23-2015, 07:59 PM
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I think that even though monarchies are deposed and disbanded, there is still an interest in the family bloodlines that continue into the present day. One reason why these families are listed under non-reigning houses in the forums. There's still a great interest in the royal families of a lot of countries even though they no longer reign.

If you scan through the list of threads listed under the the royal families of France, you'll find quite a few sub forums that deal with the historical aspect of French royalty.

Think of it as kind of like us Americans and the Kennedy family. Although involved in politics, its Jack and Jackie and their family that generate the most interest and are still talked about today. There's even a thread for them somewhere here I believe.
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Old 07-25-2015, 05:28 PM
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See I do not understand this thread. The Royals in France were basically done away with. As I understand it, it was pretty gruesome, kind of like the Russians. [....]
You seem to think that the monarchy ended with the beheading of Louis XVI.

After this we have had Napoléon I Bonaparte, Napoléon II Bonaparte, Louis XVIII de Bourbon, Charles X de Bourbon, Louis-Philippe d'Orléans and finally Napoléon III Bonaparte. None of them was assassinated, beheaded, whatever. The family De Bourbon de Parme (which owned the magnificent Château de Chambord, see picture) and the family d'Orléans (which still owns the Château Royal d'Amboise, see picture) were unbelievably rich. Until WWII they counted as belonging to Europe's most wealthy familes. Poor choices and mismanagement diminished their once so dazzling fortunes. Any comparison with the Russians is not possible, in my humble opinion.

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A section of the Le Figaro article where the Duke of Orleans and the Duke of Anjou are mentioned as well as a photo from the Duke of Orleans's birthday celebrations from the article:
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Princess Clotilde of Orleans and her family in Miami.

Aug. 19, 2015. Princess Clotilde of Orleans poses with her husband Edouard Crepy and children, Louis Nicolas, Charles Edouard, Gaspard, Augustin and Eleonore in Miami, USA


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Old 08-21-2015, 10:55 AM
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Thanks dbarn67. It's nice to learn news and for the most "unknown" royals to me at least.
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A gathering of members of the Bourbon family in Paris, among them Don Luis Alfonso de Borbon (future duke of Franco), Anne of the Two Sicilies (Castro branch), Francoise of Bourbon-Parma, Tania of Bourbon-Parma, the duke and duchess of Seville etc.

Dîner des membres de la famille de Bourbon - Noblesse & Royautés

The gathering was not attended by prince Sixte-Henri of Bourbon-Parma.
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The presence of HRH the Duke of Anjou was very important. It is not sure his mother will accept to become Duchess of Franco and so..He was there as a descendant of the House of Bourbon and with his Bourbon titles.
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