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Old 06-12-2018, 07:51 AM
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President de Gaulle gave some hope to the Count of Paris. The Count of Paris organised at Dreux a glittering Wedding of his eldest Son Henri , le Dauphin, with Duchess Marie-Thérèse of Wurtenberg.
And general de Gaulle change his mind definitely.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:31 PM
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There is no Kingdom of France. Technically it finally fell in 1830, was succeeded by the Kingdom of the French and by later republics and the Second Empire making it's laws regarding any legitimacy of the Bonaparte Empire obsolete by now. The Napoleons doesn't claim the throne of the Kingdom of France and does not to my knowledge make any pretence on reintroducing an Imperial system and are instead more devoted to maintain the Bonaparte legacy. As you stated somewhere in your post there's no living descendants of either of the two Napoleons although both left illegitimate descendants if I remember correctly. Quite ironically the current Prince Napoleon has multiple lines of descent from the Bourbons of France but none from the two emperors who's legacy he continues.

What I am saying is that , if the monarchy were to be restored, then it would be logical to choose as King someone who had some plausible claim to the throne based on historic continuity with the previous regime. The Spanish constitution for example calls Juan Carlos the “heir to the historic dynasty”, which, considering the renunciations of his (now deceased) father and his uncle, is actually true.

The “ Prince Napoléon” is not, I think, a member of the historic dynasty or in the legitimist line of succession. There is no point then in considering him a plausible candidate to assume the throne if the monarchy were restored. People who support the Napoleonic claim are not monarchists. They are Bonapartists, who do not advocate the restoration of the Kingdom of France as monarchists do, but rather the restoration of the French Empire, which is a different regime that actually arose from the French Republic rather than from historic continuity with the French monarchy.

Should the Kingdom of France be restored, of course it would have to be so under a modern constitution, patterned for example after the present Spanish constitution. But installing any king other than the legitimate heir to the historic dynasty would be completely pointless.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:35 PM
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What I am saying is that , if the monarchy were to be restored, then it would be logical to choose as King someone who had some plausible claim to the throne based on historic continuity with the previous regime. The Spanish constitution for example calls Juan Carlos the “heir to the historic dynasty”, which, considering the renunciations of his (now deceased) father, and his uncle is actually true.

The “ Prince Napoléon” is not, I think, a member of the historic dynasty or in the legitimist line of succession. There is no point then in considering him a plausible candidate to assume the throne if the monarchy were restored. People who support the Napoleônica claim are not monarchists. They are bonapartists, who do not advocate the restoration of the Kingdom of France as monarchists do, but rather the restoration of the French Empire, which is a different regime that actually arise from the French Republic rather than from historic continuity with the French monarchy.

Should the Kingdom of France be restored, of course it would have to be so under a modern constitution, patterned for example after the present Spanish constitution. But installing any king other than the legitimate heir to the historic dynasty would be completely pointless.
Well, we do have the possibility that the French public would want a Bonapartist empire rather than a kingdom. But I would guess that most of them are content with having a republic anyway.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:58 AM
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Here's a quick question: What are the chances of the French Legitimists becoming monarchs of France, IF the French monarchy is restored?
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Old 03-17-2019, 07:59 AM
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French News Agency, La Lettre Patriote opens a poll for the public to vote: who would be the most suitable to be on the French Throne if the monarchy restored. Among the French pretenders: Prince Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou , Prince Jean, Count of Paris and Prince Jean-Christoph, The Prince Napoléon.

https://lalettrepatriote.com/quel-pr...90&render_id=0


With a big difference first is Prince Louis Alphonse!
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:14 AM
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Whilst Paris burns one more [see Gilet Jaunes #xviii, yesterday], i'm not surprised SO many are disillusioned with the Republic, and am pleased the legitimate candidate is 'streets ahead'.
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:55 AM
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Here's a quick question: What are the chances of the French Legitimists becoming monarchs of France, IF the French monarchy is restored?
I'd say that the chance of the monarchy being restored are pretty much nil....
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:33 AM
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Here's a quick question: What are the chances of the French Legitimists becoming monarchs of France, IF the French monarchy is restored?
None. French people barely tolerate an elected Head of sate, so an unelected one is definitively out of the question ...
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None. French people barely tolerate an elected Head of sate, so an unelected one is definitively out of the question ...

But if the Head of State would be a representative Head of State with only limted powers like in Germany or Sweden. Would that not make a difference to the present and recent Presidents.
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:53 AM
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None. French people barely tolerate an elected Head of sate, so an unelected one is definitively out of the question ...
hmm reminds me of something in one of Nancy Mitfords novels.. It is about a French Upper class family In the 1950s. One of the old ladies from a noble family claims to want the King back.. but her nephew's English wife says that "like all upper class families they have a photo of the King but they wouldn't lift a finger to get him back.. " and that "my husband says the French hate all forms of authority equally..."
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