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Old 07-09-2020, 01:40 AM
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Count and Countess of Paris are present at the inauguration of a statue of Jeanne d'Arc near the Russian cathedral in Paris


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Old 07-30-2020, 05:55 PM
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Princess Louise Marguerite turns six today:

6 ans de la princesse Louise-Marguerite de France – Noblesse & Royautés
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The Count and Countess of Paris have left their residence at Dreux amid continuing difficulties with the Fondation Saint-Louis.

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Wow that must be an uncomfortable situation for the family.

I don't know much about the residences of the family. Do they own any out right to move into? Or are they all controlled by the foundation?
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Old 09-09-2020, 09:25 PM
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That sounds pretty bad. They must really feel that the board members of the foundation were trying to control every aspect of their lives and spy on them... Guess they lost sight of what the larger purpose is, that surely cannot be to drive away the family whose history you are to protect.
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Old 09-09-2020, 10:12 PM
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Wow that must be an uncomfortable situation for the family.

I don't know much about the residences of the family. Do they own any out right to move into? Or are they all controlled by the foundation?
I've no idea how many (if any) residences that the Count of Paris owns privately. His grandfather created the Fondation Saint-Louis in the 1970s and placed all of the major real estate that the family owned into it. As a result, since Henri the Elder died, neither his son nor his grandson have ownership of those major family properties. Henri the Younger and Jean are simply "honorary presidents" of the foundation, which gives them no real voice.

It does not help that Henri the Elder did not stipulate that at least one of his descendants, if not the head of the family itself, had an actual seat on the board of directors of the foundation. This leaves the family at the mercy of the directors...at least as it concerns their usage of properties that the late Count of Paris owned outright himself.
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Old 09-09-2020, 11:26 PM
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This does indeed sound messy. The Orleans have a large family with five young children... at least two of whom are babies. Where did they move to?
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I see that as usual Stéphane Bern is in the middle of it all. If you wouldn't know any better you might think he himself was the pretender to the throne of France. Fortunately he seems to be trying to defuse the situation.

Quite curious that the situation has escalated to this extend. One wonders why the foundation feels the need to drive the count out of his house. Something that apparently they tried to do with the Duchess of Montpensier as well.

It was widely recognized as an act of spite that the late count of Paris did not include any of his descendants in the board of the foundation.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:14 AM
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I remember some years ago that there was a rift between the Foundation St Louis and prince Jean about who should pay the fuel oil used by the family.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:33 AM
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The Count of Paris has any job.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:52 AM
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The Count of Paris has any job.
We know he owns part of the forest of Nouvion Thiérache (or probably owned until the beginning of this year) and he ceased to be the manager, officially because he didn’t have the time anymore because of his «*military studies*». Here you can see that the Forest of Nouvion en Thierache is now managed by Evrard de Turkheim from April 2020 (https://www.societe.com/societe/grou...780204137.html)

Can it be that he sold it so he could buy a house for his family in the south of France?
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Old 09-10-2020, 01:23 PM
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I've no idea how many (if any) residences that the Count of Paris owns privately. His grandfather created the Fondation Saint-Louis in the 1970s and placed all of the major real estate that the family owned into it. As a result, since Henri the Elder died, neither his son nor his grandson have ownership of those major family properties. Henri the Younger and Jean are simply "honorary presidents" of the foundation, which gives them no real voice.

It does not help that Henri the Elder did not stipulate that at least one of his descendants, if not the head of the family itself, had an actual seat on the board of directors of the foundation. This leaves the family at the mercy of the directors...at least as it concerns their usage of properties that the late Count of Paris owned outright himself.
In Belgium no member of the royal family has a seat in the Koninklijke Schenking / Donation Royale, the enormous legal entity Leopold II created. But luckily for them the statutes of this gift have clear and strict conditions, for an example that certain residences are at the disposal of the Bearer of the Crown.

I have no insight in the Fondation Saint-Louis but it would be weird if there was no condition in it that Amboise or Dreux have to be at the disposal of the Chef of the Maison de France. Maybe the conflict is about how far the owner (the Fondation) may interfere in the life of the beneficiant (Prince Jean).

Let us hope that this is a wake up call for the Fondation Saint-Louis: "What is our purpose? And are we in a tunnel vision as a board?"
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What I found particularly bizarre is HRH's accusation that the Fondation had been harrassing the family dog.(?!)

What's going on here?
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What I found particularly bizarre is HRH's accusation that the Fondation had been harrassing the family dog.(?!)

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That had to do with foundation staff apparently making derogatory remarks about the family dog, which is rather a large creature. Cannot think of the breed off the top of my head. Anyway, one suspects that at least one member of the family heard comments about their pet that bothered them - especially if it was one of the children who overheard the staff.
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I see that as usual Stéphane Bern is in the middle of it all. If you wouldn't know any better you might think he himself was the pretender to the throne of France. Fortunately he seems to be trying to defuse the situation.

Quite curious that the situation has escalated to this extend. One wonders why the foundation feels the need to drive the count out of his house. Something that apparently they tried to do with the Duchess of Montpensier as well.

It was widely recognized as an act of spite that the late count of Paris did not include any of his descendants in the board of the foundation.
What's the background story behind Stéphane Bern? And what is his role in the Foundation?

According to wikipedia he has many orders and is considered an expert in nobility and royalty but it sounds as if there is more to know about him.
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What's the background story behind Stéphane Bern? And what is his role in the Foundation?

According to wikipedia he has many orders and is considered an expert in nobility and royalty but it sounds as if there is more to know about him.

I see him quite often at TV 5 Monde, the francophone international channel. He presents Secrets d'Histoire, usually providing a refreshing angle of view to historic persons or to historic events. He often appears quite être plus royaliste que le roi (more royalist than the king).
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Old 09-11-2020, 06:10 AM
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To me Stephane Bern is the "Valet" of the Royals !
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Old 09-11-2020, 10:07 AM
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Stéphane Bern is very famous here in France for being passionate about royalty without being an historian. He enjoys a good relationship with the grand ducal family of Luxembourg, the monegasque family and the French one.

He presents historic tv program (Secrets d'histoire) and lifestyle TV program, as well as radio program.

He was also appointed by President Macron as "Monsieur Patrimoine". In this capacity, he has been charged with listing French monuments in need of renovation and seeking financial means to contribute to it. To this end, he created the "heritage lottery".

Although he loves royal families and history, he claims to be a republican for France and a royalist and monarchist on a personal level whatever this means (https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/...chiste_1653710).
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Old 09-11-2020, 05:49 PM
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That had to do with foundation staff apparently making derogatory remarks about the family dog, which is rather a large creature. Cannot think of the breed off the top of my head. Anyway, one suspects that at least one member of the family heard comments about their pet that bothered them - especially if it was one of the children who overheard the staff.
Strange. You would think charity staff would know better! Sad that this situation with the foundation has come to the family having to leave Dreux.
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Old 09-12-2020, 06:55 AM
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The actual Comte de Paris is not that young. She herited from his Grand Mother la Comtesse de Paris.
He could have buy a House and pay its charges without depending from the Foundation;
His Mother the Duchesse de Montpensier received a house for herself. Being old , this house was not eternal.
Her 2 other Children Marie and Eudes have their own House , Blanche is in a Institute in Paris.
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