Jean, Comte de Paris, Head of the Royal House of France, Wife & Family, Feb 2019 -

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Lovely family but please leave out the ties next time...

I think it were the princes themselves whom went on an adventurous treasure-hunt in Daddy's garderobe. Both ties are too long and too big, the Dauphin wore a polo-shirt even and his tie was not tucked neatly under the collar.

It tells me it was the boys' own idea and no intention of the parents to dress them up. They themselves were quite casual. It speaks for them that they let their little rascals free, even for a photo shoot. It only makes it more lovely: in the hen house with a tie...

[Duc_et_Pair]

"The other guy" Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón is more and more in the right wing spectrum, even speaking swollen ultra-orthodox Catholic language about the virus: this Easter France's bishops should consecrate the country to the Virgin, et al: "As a legitimate successor to the kings of France who have always understood their function in its double earthly and divine dimension, it is my duty to associate myself with it and I would do so in my soul and conscience "

As if France is not in 2020 and is not a very secular country...

In comparison Prince Jean and Princess Philomena come over as normal, laid-back and hands-on persons. Never swollen language from them. According their Facebook the Princess gives home schooling because of the confinement and apparently the visit to the hens' house was not only for the fluffy chickens, it was part of their day program with lessons, cultural activities as well learning the nature on the Royal Domain.

[Moonmaiden23]

Don't Don Luis and his family live in NYC now?

[HereditaryPrincess]

Such a charming family! It seems that the sun is shining nicely there.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Don't Don Luis and his family live in NYC now?

It is a very globetrotting family but I believe his home base still is Spain. There is a French Facebook group reporting about the capétiens, with all sorts: Spain, Luxembourg, Two Siciles, Parma, Luis Alfonso, the Orléans, etc. It surprises me to see Luis Alfonso getting closer and closer in the rightwing and catholic spectrum. I used to see him as moderate, realistic and laid-back as Jean d'Orléans.

In the last months of his life Prince Henri d'Orléans suddenly became more religious. He even dedicated France to the Sacred Heart and placed this religious symbol in between the three fleurs-de-lys in his coat of arms with the Orléans silver lambelles removed...

Prince Jean just ignored this religious aberration and uses the traditional and heraldically correct coat of arms of the Maison d'Orléans proper.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

"The other guy" Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón is more and more in the right wing spectrum, even speaking swollen ultra-orthodox Catholic language about the virus:

Is he not the guy, who could be the King of Spain now?

Well, the ancestors of the now King Felipe VI. have made obviously some arrangements with the now not so very popuar, long dead Dictator Franco.

Why not look ahead? France is a country in deep troubles now: bad state of public finances, unpopular reforms, a tumbling EU, the not so surprising appearance of right wing actors everywhere - in France Le Pen, which has partly a very strict catholic followership...

Looks, like "the other guy" is signaling in this direction and plans to make some arrangements with Le Pen...


And for his grandson everything will be forgotten...

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by victor1319

Is he not the guy, who could be the King of Spain now?

Well, the ancestors of the now King Felipe VI. have made obviously some arrangements with the now not so very popuar, long dead Dictator Franco.

Why not look ahead? France is a country in deep troubles now: bad state of public finances, unpopular reforms, a tumbling EU, the not so surprising appearance of right wing actors everywhere - in France Le Pen, which has partly a very strict catholic followership...

Looks, like "the other guy" is signaling in this direction and plans to make some arrangements with Le Pen...


And for his grandson everything will be forgotten...

Luis Alfonso can only be King of France when the international Treaty of Utrecht (co-signed by France, Spain, Great-Britain, the United Provinces, Portugal and Savoy) is repealed.

That very Treaty precisely "delivered" a Bourbon on the throne of France ánd a Bourbon on the throne of Spain. Two immense empires in Bourbon hands. Especially to prevent the two thrones to be in one hand, for ever the Spanish Bourbons abstained from all rights on the throne of France, vice-versa.

If Don Luis Alfonso rejects this international Treaty, he is exactly taking away the very base why his grandfather was Prince of Asturias and Infant of Spain in the first place.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Luis Alfonso can only be King of France when the international Treaty of Utrecht (co-signed by France, Spain, Great-Britain, the United Provinces, Portugal and Savoy) is repealed.

That very Treaty precisely "delivered" a Bourbon on the throne of France ánd a Bourbon on the throne of Spain. Two immense empires in Bourbon hands. Especially to prevent the two thrones to be in one hand, for ever the Spanish Bourbons abstained from all rights on the throne of France, vice-versa.

If Don Luis Alfonso rejects this international Treaty, he is exactly taking away the very base why his grandfather was Prince of Asturias and Infant of Spain in the first place.

Thank you very much!



I am not familiar at all with the recent history of the House Bourbon. It sounds interesting!

But it makes me wonder, if this Treaty of Utrecht is of any relevance in times of very constituional monarchies, in which the Monarch has more of a representative function. I mean, it is a Treaty from 1713...?

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

"The other guy" Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón is more and more in the right wing spectrum, even speaking swollen ultra-orthodox Catholic language about the virus: this Easter France's bishops should consecrate the country to the Virgin, et al: "As a legitimate successor to the kings of France who have always understood their function in its double earthly and divine dimension, it is my duty to associate myself with it and I would do so in my soul and conscience "

As if France is not in 2020 and is not a very secular country...

In comparison Prince Jean and Princess Philomena come over as normal, laid-back and hands-on persons. Never swollen language from them. According their Facebook the Princess gives home schooling because of the confinement and apparently the visit to the hens' house was not only for the fluffy chickens, it was part of their day program with lessons, cultural activities as well learning the nature on the Royal Domain.

Actually, Jean is very right wing also, he gave an interview to "L'incorrect" magazine (http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/en...ns-lincorrect/) whose director is part of "L'action française", the institution is a traditionnal catholic association advocating for the restauration of the monarchy.

Their children are home schooled from the start not only during the confinement and Gaston was sent to a male only boarding school last year in the south of France (before age 10) and the school is known for its very very catholic traditionnal approach, it is a private school independant from the state (there are public dependant on State schools and catholic private school dependant on the state in France, it's very rare to go to an independant school, it happens only to people who fear the state school program). Gaston went from being home schooled to a traditional catholic independant from state private school at age 9. He never had the occasion to be friend with other children of Dreux.

By the way, I find it very tacky from them to hire a photograph when people are asked to be confined. Can't they wait one more month ? It is also tacky to see two very young boys wearing tie for a home photo session in their garden, especially when they are wearing shorts pants and polo. Why make Gaston wearing a fleur de Lys tie, do they fear people would forget their "titles"?

[eya]

Count of Paris "At work this morning at the Domaine royal de Dreux."

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Picture by David NIVIERE

[titiromi]

Second times in less than 14 days that he made a photographer come to Le Domaine royal de Dreux to take pictures of him. Also he does not work.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by titiromi

Actually, Jean is very right wing also, he gave an interview to "L'incorrect" magazine (Entretien du comte de Paris dans “L’incorrect” – Noblesse & Royautés) whose director is part of "L'action française", the institution is a traditionnal catholic association advocating for the restauration of the monarchy.

Their children are home schooled from the start not only during the confinement and Gaston was sent to a male only boarding school last year in the south of France (before age 10) and the school is known for its very very catholic traditionnal approach, it is a private school independant from the state (there are public dependant on State schools and catholic private school dependant on the state in France, it's very rare to go to an independant school, it happens only to people who fear the state school program). Gaston went from being home schooled to a traditional catholic independant from state private school at age 9. He never had the occasion to be friend with other children of Dreux.

By the way, I find it very tacky from them to hire a photograph when people are asked to be confined. Can't they wait one more month ? It is also tacky to see two very young boys wearing tie for a home photo session in their garden, especially when they are wearing shorts pants and polo. Why make Gaston wearing a fleur de Lys tie, do they fear people would forget their "titles"?

I have a total different impression: like the rest of the family the boys were very casually dressed. No one wears a tie with a polo. To me it looks like Gaston and Joseph went on adventure hunt and came in daddy's garderobe and decided to wear papa's ties.

Anyone can see both ties are too long (papa's length) and on some pictures you can see it was not folded under the collar. My impression is that the boys ran into the garden, wirh clumsy ties, much to the amusement of Jean and Philomena and they left it so.

I have looked up the statistics. There are 5.500 private primary schools in France (90% of them have a Catholic signature). 20% of the French children go to a private primary school. The demand for private schools is rising because parents believe state schools have a lack of discipline, poor results, staff absences, are subject to politicisation, and there are complaints about frequent large amounts of unoccupied time.

More and more French parents are sending their children to a private school, in the belief that these schools do not suffer from the mentioned problems to the same extent as their state counterparts. In some areas in practice this often means a sort of movement into "white schools" (with mainly French boys and girls) vs "coloured schools" (with mainly children from other backgrounds).

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I have a total different impression: like the rest of the family the boys were very casually dressed. No one wears a tie with a polo. To me it looks like Gaston and Joseph went on adventure hunt and came in daddy's garderobe and decided to wear papa's ties.

Anyone can see both ties are too long (papa's length) and on some pictures you can see it was not folded under the collar. My impression is that the boys ran into the garden, wirh clumsy ties, much to the amusement of Jean and Philomena and they left it so.

I have looked up the statistics. There are 5.500 private primary schools in France (90% of them have a Catholic signature). 20% of the French children go to a private primary school. The demand for private schools is rising because parents believe state schools have a lack of discipline, poor results, staff absences, are subject to politicisation, and there are complaints about frequent large amounts of unoccupied time.

More and more French parents are sending their children to a private school, in the belief that these schools do not suffer from the mentioned problems to the same extent as their state counterparts. In some areas in practice this often means a sort of movement into "white schools" (with mainly French boys and girls) vs "coloured schools" (with mainly children from other backgrounds).

I am very aware of private schools in France, I attended one actually. But there are two types of private schools in France (I will only talk about the catholic ones): private catholic school dependant on the state and private catholic school independant from the State. The first one is usually attended by normal children from posh to middle class families not necessarily catholic, the second one is attended by very traditional catholic families who don't want their children to follow the State's program and who don't want their children to mingle with non pratiquant catholic children.

Gaston attends the later kind of school, not only the school is independant from the state, but it is also a boarding school located very far from his family (more than 700 kilometers). There are many private schools in France, Dreux even has two private schools but they decided to send Gaston to this specific school and this is very telling.

[victor1319]

I am not familiar with the school system of France, but what I know, is, that while many European states consider themselves "secular", the French Republic considers itself not only this but as even "laizistic"...

And then I learn this here in The Royal Forums: Catholic private schools and all...

Interesting, funny and somewhat sad too!

And the French royal youth is teached there? Hmmm...

What I know about France, is, that the very elites, which drove the republic over the cliff, were alle teached at the schools for the education elite, the écoles supérieures, what leads to my question: Is there an "anti-elitism" in France and if "Yes", is this a wise decision with the snobbish, catholic schools for the "Princes"?

I mean, Juan Carlos, the "youngest" monarch in Europeland was on military academies, where he learned about the seriousness of life and all...

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by victor1319

I am not familiar with the school system of France, but what I know, is, that while many European states consider themselves "secular", the French Republic considers itself not only this but as even "laizistic"...

And then I learn this here in The Royal Forums: Catholic private schools and all...

Interesting, funny and somewhat sad too!

And the French royal youth is teached there? Hmmm...

What I know about France, is, that the very elites, which drove the republic over the cliff, were alle teached at the schools for the education elite, the écoles supérieures, what leads to my question: Is there an "anti-elitism" in France and if "Yes", is this a wise decision with the snobbish, catholic schools for the "Princes"?

I mean, Juan Carlos, the "youngest" monarch in Europeland was on military academies, where he learned about the seriousness of life and all...

The political elites in France come mainly from post-baccalaureate schools that we call "les Grandes Ecoles".

To enter these schools, one has to pass very difficult competitive exams that are prepared in preparatory classes (two years of preparatory classes). There are three kinds of preparatory classes: scientific preparatory classes, commercial preparatory classes, and literary preparatory classes. There are also grandes écoles which can be entered directly after secondary school following a competitive entrance examination but without a mandatory preparatory class.

To enter these preparatory classes, one needs an excellent academic record during one's secondary studies (high school and middle school), as well as very good grades in French baccalaureate. The problem is that not all high schools and middle schools are the same in France. Often, private schools are the ones that best prepare students to have an excellent record to enter these preparatory classes (with two or three exceptions in Paris). The difference between private Catholic schools and public schools is especially relevant for secondary education (before college). President Macron, for example, attended a private Catholic high school under contract with the state before entering the Lycée Henri IV (a very prestigious public high school which is one of the exceptions to the domination of private schools). He then entered literary preparatory classes, was admitted to Sciences Po (a "Grande Ecole" in political and social sciences) before being admitted to the Ecole Nationale d'Administration (another particularly elitist "Grande Ecole").

Studies have shown, for example, that 80% of the students who have managed to enter Polytechnique, which is the most prestigious military engineering school in France, come from 10 high schools and these high schools are all private Catholic high schools under contract with the state.

The school of Gaston is really different, it is not especially known to be one of those schools that get children into the Grandes Ecoles after high school. It is one of theses schools where children from very Catholic families who want to preserve their children are sent. France is secular yes but what determines parents to send their children to private Catholic schools under contract with the State depends not on their religiousness, but rather on the capacity of these schools to properly teach their children and to provide a more studious atmosphere. Whereas what determines parents to send their children to a private Catholic school independant from the state is defiance toward the state school program (especially the teaching of gender theory), the willingness to give a very Catholic education to their children, and a traditional practising Catholic environment.

[HereditaryPrincess]

Yikes; I had no idea that the Count of Paris was as right-wing as his Bourbon counterpart. Given the fact that Jean has home-schooled his children so far, I can imagine when the time comes they will eventually marry into a similar noble/royal family from the Iberian peninsula.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

Yikes; I had no idea that the Count of Paris was as right-wing as his Bourbon counterpart. Given the fact that Jean has home-schooled his children so far, I can imagine when the time comes they will eventually marry into a similar noble/royal family from the Iberian peninsula.

Given that their mother isn't from a noble family I don't think that's a necessity these days. Not even for the future Count of Paris.

[Moonmaiden23]

I thought that Philomena, Comtesse de Paris was from a Spanish aristocratic background, though an obscure one?

I cannot imagine Jean marrying a complete commoner. Not at all.

[Sancia]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

I thought that Philomena, Comtesse de Paris was from a Spanish aristocratic background, though an obscure one?

I cannot imagine Jean marrying a complete commoner. Not at all.

Indeed, she has aristocratic and noble ancestors in both maternal and paternal sides. She has also two maternal aunts married with Austrian counts.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Sancia

Indeed, she has aristocratic and noble ancestors in both maternal and paternal sides. She has also two maternal aunts married with Austrian counts.

But in the end Philomena is no noble as her father was no noble. Nobility is inherited via the paternal line.