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Old 02-10-2021, 06:44 PM
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From what I've read permission was given by his grand father for his mother, the duchess of Montpensier to live there after her husband had left her and her children (Jean being one of them).
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Prince Henri never lived in Dreux. The arrangement was for the Duchess of Montpensier to be able to use Dreux for week-ends and vacations and that’s all. That autorisation was given by Prince Henri senior (he was president of the foundation back at that time as opposed to honorary president which is the position held by Prince Jean). This right to use Dreux during holidays and weekends by the Duchess of Montpensier is recognized by the foundation but not the right to live permanently there for free for Jean. If you read the last article of Parisien about this affair, you would see that even Prince Henri junior opposed to Jean settling in Dreux.

«*I hear you are moving to Dreux," wrote the father to his son in a disapproving tone of voice. If your mother (of whom he was divorced) had a right of use over the "presbytery" for her entire life, this right does not apply to our children. I would have preferred that you had informed me of your intentions in person. And the father to ask his son "to remove without delay the objects or furniture" that he has "already deposited in the presbytery illegally". This is in his "interest and that of the Saint-Louis Foundation".
Extract of the article that can be found here :https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...21-8423597.php
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Old 02-11-2021, 02:22 AM
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The article is sadly behind a paywall but thanks for the quoted excerpts, it is good to hear the other side of the story.

It is true, both Henri's did not live at Dreux nor at Amboise. I believe Henri sr. lived in an appartment building with his mistress near Dreux, in Cherisy. His wife did live in a pavillion in Amboise though she spent much of the time visiting her many children.
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Old 02-11-2021, 03:49 AM
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Prince Henri never lived in Dreux. The arrangement was for the Duchess of Montpensier to be able to use Dreux for week-ends and vacations and that’s all. That autorisation was given by Prince Henri senior (he was president of the foundation back at that time as opposed to honorary president which is the position held by Prince Jean). This right to use Dreux during holidays and weekends by the Duchess of Montpensier is recognized by the foundation but not the right to live permanently there for free for Jean. If you read the last article of Parisien about this affair, you would see that even Prince Henri junior opposed to Jean settling in Dreux.

«*I hear you are moving to Dreux," wrote the father to his son in a disapproving tone of voice. If your mother (of whom he was divorced) had a right of use over the "presbytery" for her entire life, this right does not apply to our children. I would have preferred that you had informed me of your intentions in person. And the father to ask his son "to remove without delay the objects or furniture" that he has "already deposited in the presbytery illegally". This is in his "interest and that of the Saint-Louis Foundation".
Extract of the article that can be found here :https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...21-8423597.php

It is quite a bit shocking. From once of France's most wealthy families to an almost "homeless" state.



In comparison with his "colleagues" in Romania, Germany, Serbia, Portugal, the Prince Jean d'Orléans seem disadvantaged in arrangements for the former royal family. (All to own mismanagement by former generations).
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Old 02-11-2021, 03:56 AM
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Compared to his siblings and cousins, he was given an advantage: he inherited all the shares his grandmother held in the forest of Nouvion (so that he could afford to live) but it seems that he sold his shares last year.
His father lived in a Parisian flat owned by the foundation in Paris at the end of his life but he paid rent.

If a foundation was not created, at the time of the death of Prince Henri senior, major taxes would have had to be paid, which could have amounted to 45% for inheritance over 1,45millions. What is left would have been split between the nine children. Prince Henri junior’s shares would then also be taxed once he dies and be split between his 4 remaining children. Let’s say that Jean would still not be able to live in the domaine royal de Dreux, the plebs (:)) not be able to visit the place and the State not to fund it. So it’s a win win situation.

We often criticized junior royal siblings for not working but Jean is not even part of a reigning family, is the father of 5 children (!!!), does not work (nor his wife Philomena) and relies on assets not owned by him to house his large family for free. The Napoleon and the Bourbon heirs are both working and they are richer than the Orléans.
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Compared to his siblings and cousins, he was given an advantage: he inherited all the shares his grandmother held in the forest of Nouvion (so that he could afford to live) but it seems that he sold his shares last year.
His father lived in a Parisian flat owned by the foundation in Paris at the end of his life but he paid rent.

If a foundation was not created, at the time of the death of Prince Henri senior, major taxes would have to be paid, which could have amounted to 45% for inheritance over 1,45millions. What is left would have been split between the nine children. Prince Henri junior’s shares would then also be taxed once he dies and be split between his 4 remaining children. Let’s say that Jean would still not be able to live in the domaine royal de Dreux, the plebs (:)) not be able to visit the place and the State not to fund it. So it’s a win win situation.

We often criticized junior royal sibling for not working but Jean is not even part of a reigning family, is the father of 5 children (!!!), does not work (neither his wife Philomena) and relies on assets not owned by him to house his large family. The Napoleon and the Bourbon heirs are both working and they are richer that the Orléans.
Perfectly said, I completely agree with you...
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Compared to his siblings and cousins, he was given an advantage: he inherited all the shares his grandmother held in the forest of Nouvion (so that he could afford to live) but it seems that he sold his shares last year.
His father lived in a Parisian flat owned by the foundation in Paris at the end of his life but he paid rent.

If a foundation was not created, at the time of the death of Prince Henri senior, major taxes would have had to be paid, which could have amounted to 45% for inheritance over 1,45millions. What is left would have been split between the nine children. Prince Henri junior’s shares would then also be taxed once he dies and be split between his 4 remaining children. Let’s say that Jean would still not be able to live in the domaine royal de Dreux, the plebs (:)) not be able to visit the place and the State not to fund it. So it’s a win win situation.

We often criticized junior royal siblings for not working but Jean is not even part of a reigning family, is the father of 5 children (!!!), does not work (nor his wife Philomena) and relies on assets not owned by him to house his large family for free. The Napoleon and the Bourbon heirs are both working and they are richer than the Orléans.
What is then the source of income for Prince Jean to maintain his family, education, representation, etc.?
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Old 02-11-2021, 11:57 AM
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His shares in the Forest of Nouvion (until last year), very generous public welfare especially for big families, annual contribution to his association "Gens de France" to "support the action of the royal house" -> (https://www.helloasso.com/associatio...yale-de-france).

When you don't pay rents and charges (such as fuel oil, for example, which he refused to pay a few years ago) since 2010, that's enough.

Remember also until last september, his children were homeschooled (appart Gaston).
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Thanks. From his Instagram I learned the family is back on the Royal Domain in Dreux. No idea how to combine that with his objections against the Fondation Saint-Louis.
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Thanks. From his Instagram I learned the family is back on the Royal Domain in Dreux. No idea how to combine that with his objections against the Fondation Saint-Louis.
They are maybe there for the winter holidays (it lasts 2 weeks) and given that the house is bestowed to the Duchess of Montpensier for weekends and holidays, there is no problem.

I also understand that they left there some furniture and animals and mandated a friend to visit often the place. They move out because they sense the foundation became more and more unwelcoming.
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The Count and Countess of Paris visited the city of Touloyse:

"The Countess of Paris and I warmly thank Jean-Luc Moudenc, Mayor of Toulouse, who welcomed us to his city on Monday. A visit placed under the sign of heritage and family, since we were able to admire the recent renovation of the Daurade basilica, which houses the black virgin, as well as an ex voto left by my great-grandmother there 117 years old!"


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The Count of Paris wrote :
Deepest condolences to her Majesty the Queen and all the Royal Family on behalf of the French Royal Family .....
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