Jean, Comte de Paris, Head of the Royal House of France, Wife & Family, Feb 2019 - - Page 11

titiromi · #**201** 01-01-2021, 07:14 AM

Yes in the pensionnat’s neighborhood. Said pensionnat is situated in Montreal (in France, near Carcassonne). Gaston stays with his parents at nights so the house should be near enough so he can go back home everyday.

Duc_et_Pair · #**202** 01-01-2021, 08:20 AM

That is really a very beautiful area to live, the Aude. From the picture we see from the princely family they very much enjoy the nature and tranquil life there. The young Dauphin and his siblings seem very much in their element.

HereditaryPrincess · #**203** 01-17-2021, 02:43 PM

The Count of Paris at a mass for Louis XVI in Mirepoix:

Le comte de Paris assistera à la messe pour Louis XVI à Mirepoix – Noblesse & Royautés

My godmother lives near Mirepoix and I've been to the church Jean was at - it's a nice building.

eya · #**204** 01-21-2021, 01:09 PM

The Count and Countess of Paris, attended a mass in memory of Louis XVI today 21 January

https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/21/...vi-9325285.php

rominet09 · #**205** 01-21-2021, 06:46 PM

Obviousy the feature was propose in a way of mocking ! I do not think it is fair.

I think his father died on this day too, I am surprised he doesn't mention him.

eya · #**206** 01-28-2021, 03:18 AM

Happy 9th Birthday to Princess Antoinette!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKlMdVBIJPv/

HereditaryPrincess · #**207** 01-30-2021, 06:07 PM

Wow, nine already?! Antoinette looks so grown up. She reminds me a lot of her father.

eya · #**208** 02-09-2021, 02:43 AM

Count of Paris, sued the Saint-Louis de Dreux Foundation "in order to recover the property of his family, including the castle of Amboise and the royal chapel of Dreux" and claiming "a million euros for the damage suffered ”.

The first hearing is scheduled for 12 May

https://www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blo...-Dreux-1723889

**Marengo** · #**209** 02-09-2021, 05:05 AM

Interesting. Perhaps a natural wish but the auction of his grandparents possessions a few years ago show that the late count of Paris (grandfather of Jean) was right in putting assets in a foundation to prevent it from getting scattered.

rominet09 · #**210** 02-09-2021, 07:32 AM

I can't wait for the following....

**Stefan** · #**211** 02-09-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo

Interesting. Perhaps a natural wish but the auction of his grandparents possessions a few years ago show that the late count of Paris (grandfather of Jean) was right in putting assets in a foundation to prevent it from getting scattered.

But why did he not make sure that future Heads of the Family are involved with the foundation and or can use the Items placed into it.

Duc_et_Pair · #**212** 02-09-2021, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

But why did he not make sure that future Heads of the Family are involved with the foundation and or can use the Items placed into it.

Indeed. It looks like an equivalent of the Bernadotte or Orange-Nassau foundations not working for the Bearer of the Crown but just for their own existence.

Imagine King Carl XVI Gustaf or King Willem-Alexander to be refused to use properties placed in these foundations, while that was the core essence of creating these vehicles, in the first place.

I do not know how it is in Sweden, but in the Netherlands the Bearer of the Crown is the beheerder (manager) of the most important foundations. Maybe that was a detail overlooked when Prince Jean's grandfather created this foundation?

tihkon2 · #**213** 02-09-2021, 02:12 PM

I thought the elder Henri, Count of Paris didn't want his eldest son, the younger Henri, anywhere near the foundation or to be able to do anything. That is why it is set up the way it is.

Duc_et_Pair · #**214** 02-09-2021, 03:40 PM

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I thought the elder Henri, Count of Paris didn't want his eldest son, the younger Henri, anywhere near the foundation or to be able to do anything. That is why it is set up the way it is.

Henri d'Orléans managed to dwindle the once enormous fortune of his House. And if that is not enough, out of pettiness he managed to obstruct what was left.

But if the Château d'Amboise or the Domaine Royal de Dreux are not available for the Maison d'Orléans, what is then the purpose? To serve as museums?

**Marengo** · #**215** 02-09-2021, 04:05 PM

Henri sr. was a very bitter man. Didn't he tell one of his sons that he would leave the family nothing but hate/hatred IIRC?

Due to bad investments he lost a great part of his own wealth and of that of his nephew prince Michael of Greece. It is a great pity that he did not secured a position of the head of the family in the foundation.

**Stefan** · #**216** 02-10-2021, 06:47 AM

Reminds me a bit about the Esterhazy foundation.There the childless Fürst Paul left everything to his wife who created one or several foundations into which she put the Belongings. she then later named one of her nephews from her Family as manager ofthe foundations and he later removed the present Früst and his son from the Board of the foundation .

titiromi · #**217** 02-10-2021, 07:06 AM

The foundation was created to prevent the Orleans historical heritage from being fragmented through inheritance and auctions. And certainly not to support the new Count of Paris and his family.

If the Foundation were to be deleted, the assets would be shared between 9 inheritors from the Count of Paris (Henri) (+some cousins who accepted to give their shares to the Foundation). The 1/9 share would have to be divided between the 4 remaining children ot the last Count of Paris. So all the assets would need to be sold, as it happens in 2015 with the furniture.

The Foundation has a public status and is managed partly by the Ministry of the interior and as such receives state funds.

There is no justification for Jean, who is a minority heir among a multitude of others, to be able to enjoy the assets without compensation even though the estates are also state-funded.

Mbruno · #**218** 02-10-2021, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Henri d'Orléans managed to dwindle the once enormous fortune of his House. And if that is not enough, out of pettiness he managed to obstruct what was left.

But if the Château d'Amboise or the Domaine Royal de Dreux are not available for the Maison d'Orléans, what is then the purpose? To serve as museums?

What is the law in France like in that respect? I know that, in Spain, several major noble houses such as the Dukes of Alba have had their residences and art collections declared as "properties of cultural interest" that are placed under family foundations. That allows them to enjoy certain privileges like tax exemptions in exchange for keeping the sites open to the public ("museums" so to speak in a broader sense). Is something similar possible in France?

titiromi · #**219** 02-10-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

What is the law in France like in that respect? I know that, in Spain, several major noble houses such as the Dukes of Alba have had their residences and art collections declared as "properties of cultural interest" that are placed under family foundations. That allows them to enjoy certain privileges like tax exemptions in exchange for keeping the sites open to the public ("museums" so to speak in a broader sense). Is something similar possible in France?

The assets were given to a non-profit organization (Fondation Saint-Louis) created by the former Count of Paris and intended to carry out a work of general interest and not-for-profit, i.e promoting History. The board includes representative of the States. That organization owns assets, rights and resources irrevocably assigned to the realization of such a work.

Duc_et_Pair · #**220** 02-10-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by titiromi

The assets were given to a non-profit organization (Fondation Saint-Louis) created by the former Count of Paris and intended to carry out a work of general interest and not-for-profit, i.e promoting History. The board includes representative of the States. That organization owns assets, rights and resources irrevocably assigned to the realization of such a work.

What is then the arrangement for the late Prince Henri jr. and Prince Jean to live at Dreux?