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Old 04-01-2014, 01:24 PM
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The Reigning Co-Princes of Andorra

So what of the reigning Co-Princes of Andorra, the landlocked, mountainous Principality in in the Pyrenees, between the borders of France and Spain?
Some scrutiny of the rôle of the Co-Princes is worthwhile.

The Co-Princes of Andorra most certainly exist, and have done since the Middle Ages. The function of Co-Princes is shared by the Spanish Bishop of Urgel and the President of the French Republic: in the Middle Ages, one of the Co-Princes was the Count of Foix, the castle of whom still looms over the town of Foix, in neighbouring Ariège department; subsequently the King of France assumed the responsibility of Co-Prince, as did later the French President.

It could be said that, prior to constitutional changes in the late 20th century, Andorra's situation was comparable to a condominium between France and Spain (although this term did not tell the whole story).

Today, the country's legislature, however, amounts to a sovereign parliament, which acknowledges the shared sovereignty of the Co-Princes, the powers of which are exercised through representatives.

Interestingly, in 1934, when more of a condominium-type of arrangement existed, Andorra's legislature briefly experimented with a monarch called Boris I, but, being then more of a territorial legislature rather than a sovereign parliament, the legislature - the Casa de la Vall - was overruled by the Co-Princes, who never agreed to the ascent of Boris, deposed after a few days.

Another extraordinary fact in relation to the Co-Princes of Andorra is that their situation is analogous to that of the Co-Princes of San Marino, another small, European state. (However, the Co-Princes of San Marino are native Sammarinese, rather than co-sovereign individuals ordinarily resident beyond the country's borders). While San Marino designates itself as a Republic, Andorra is known as a Principality.

The Co-Princes of Andorra are thus not dynastic (unless one accepts that the idea of perceived apostolic succession within the Bishop of Urgel's religious position - under the exigencies of male celibacy - itself represents some kind of more obscurely defined dynasty, for one of the Co-Princes, at least).

Some of concepts inherent in the exercise of sovereignty by the Andorran Co-Princes might thus be regarded by many North Americans as somewhat unusual.
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Old 04-01-2014, 02:42 PM
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The husband and I have talked about moving abroad after he retires and Andorra is a place we have looked at (online) along with Malta.


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Old 04-01-2014, 11:52 PM
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The husband and I have talked about moving abroad after he retires and Andorra is a place we have looked at (online) along with Malta.


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I hope your retirement plans work out for you and your husband. I don't think that Andorra's desirability as tax haven (for example) has much to do with the fact that its form of government is a Principality: countries such as Switzerland and Uruguay have been favorable for foreign investors or residents, while their forms of government are firmly republican.

(What you might want to recall also is that Malta has a busy international airport; but Andorra has a heliport with more limited connections. This might have a bearing if for example people needed to travel a great distance at short notice for family reasons.)
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:21 AM
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We don't have that much money that we need to move to a country for tax purposes :)

We are going more on quality of life, the people/society, ability as a American to be able to live there etc etc

I lean toward Malta at this point.

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Old 04-22-2014, 06:43 PM
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It is indeed interesting that, like, Andorra, San Marino has Captains-Regent, similar to Andorra's Co-Princes, but, unlike Andorra, is designated a Republic.
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Old 09-02-2014, 10:42 PM
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Isabella of Foix and Catherine of Navarre are listed as Countesses of Foix.
Does this mean that the Salic Law was not included in succession rights?
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:19 AM
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Catherine I of Navarre was the Queen Regnant of Navarre 1483 until 1517 and also Duchess of Gandia, Montblanc, and Peñafiel, Countess of Foix, Bigorre, and Ribagorza, and Viscountess of Béarn in her own right.The Kingdom of Navarre did not follow the Salic Law regarding the royal succession,there had been 3 or 4 regnant queens before her.

Isabelle de Foix succeeded her brother as Countess of Foix; Viscountess of Béarn, Marsan, Bruilhois, Gabardan, Nébouzan, Lautrec, Terres-Basses d'Albigeois & Co-Princess of Andorra in 1398.From what I understand Salic Law only forbade women for the line of Royal succession.
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The prospect of a new co-prince got me thinking: if Andorra were to decide that it had had enough of someone else's elected president being its co-prince and that it wanted to recognise the Count of Foix as its French co-prince, who would the current claimant be? The title was united with the French crown but before this there were female co-princesses of Andorra, and therefore succession through the female line.....
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:47 AM
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i always found Andorra and its co-princes situation interesting. always wondered what if some tech billionaire wanted to buy the titles. and become the head of state like offer the Bishop of Urgel and the President of the French Republic like $500 million each idk something like that would it even be possible
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Old 07-20-2017, 11:45 AM
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Emmannuel Makron , Co-Prince of Andorra to visit the principality next year in celebration of Andorra’s constitutional jubilee.

Macron, Co-Prince of Andorra, to visit principality next year – Royal Central
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:48 AM
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On Friday Sept.13th, both co-Princes visited Andorra :

- The Bishop of Urgell, Joan Enric Vives

- Emmanuel Macron, President of the French Republic


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https://twitter.com/GovernAndorra/st...62667648421889
https://twitter.com/GovernAndorra/st...44520174112769
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:43 PM
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The co-prince Emmanuel Macron today received in Elysee the credentials of the new accredited ambassadors to Andorra.


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i always found Andorra and its co-princes situation interesting. always wondered what if some tech billionaire wanted to buy the titles. and become the head of state like offer the Bishop of Urgel and the President of the French Republic like $500 million each idk something like that would it even be possible
I believe the government in Andorra is doing fine with this arrangement because it gives a sense of continuity to their fame, which is good for tourism.
If someone wanted to buy the titles, let's say for example Mr. Musk, I doubt the Andorrans would put up with it. The billionaire would have better luck with the now defunct principalities of Sealand and Hutt River.

On the topic, recently I read online in Forbes list of billionaires the Prince of Liechtenstein is literally the owner of the principality. I recall reading during some constitutional issue ages ago he threatened to leave the country and take all his money with him too. Now that's some serious billionaire owning a country moment.
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On the topic, recently I read online in Forbes list of billionaires the Prince of Liechtenstein is literally the owner of the principality. I recall reading during some constitutional issue ages ago he threatened to leave the country and take all his money with him too. Now that's some serious billionaire owning a country moment.
No, the reigning prince of Liechtenstein does not literally own the principality; it is a sovereign state like any other.

A translation of the constitution of the principality: http://www.llv.li/files/rdr/Verfassung-E-01-02-2014.pdf
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Why is the President of France the Prince of Andora?
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