Prince Jean and Family, News and Events Part 1: June 2003 - - Page 4

Warren · #61 12-14-2005, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by drimal

On 27th November 2004 Jean became Prince of Nassau!:)
Here is the official Grand Ducal decree.

Thanks for this drimal. If I can paraphrase the good bits...

The spouse of HRH the Prince Robert, neé Julie Ongaro is authorised to bear the title of Royal Highness, Princess of Nassau.

The descendants issuing from this union [Prince Robert & Princess Julie] and the descendants issuing from the union of HRH the Prince Jean with Madame Hélène Vestur are qualified in the same manner.

Thus the 3 children of Robert and Julie (Charlotte, Alexander & Frederik) are Princes/Princess of Nassau, Royal Highness, as are the 4 children of Prince Jean (Marie-Gabrielle, Constantin, Wenceslas & Carl Johan).

Sancia · #62 12-14-2005, 01:25 PM

Marie Gabrielle is born september 8th 1986, and not december.

gaggleofcrazypeople · #63 12-14-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by drimal

Why did he renounced his rights in 1986? Are the rumours of the dispute true?

He was going to have a child out of wedlock (a big no-no back then.) I have heard he has gotten a divorce, but it isn't certain.

kez_1982 · #64 08-12-2006, 09:28 PM

I was wondering if there's a pic of Jean and his family at the GD couple's 25th anniversary, I've seen pics of Princesses Marie-Astrid and Margaretha's families, but not any of Jean's.

kelly9480 · #65 08-13-2006, 12:30 AM

Okay, Prince Jean has never stopped being Prince Jean of Luxembourg, Prince of Nassau. He is not formally titled Prince Jean of Nassau. His children are now "of Nassau" but he still uses "of Luxembourg". If you're looking for info on him as Jean of Nassau, that would explain why you're not finding any. There's a little bit of info on him at Luxembourg websites, and a few years ago there was a quote from him at Frommers travel website in the Luxembourg article, but I don't know if that's still there.

NGalitzine · #66 07-09-2007, 10:23 PM

Have Jean and Helene formally divorced yet?

Sancia · #67 07-10-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine

Have Jean and Helene formally divorced yet?

Yes. They formally divorced on 13th december 2004.

**Marengo** · #68 08-14-2007, 09:31 PM

Thanks Danielle, this is actually the first time I heard about that, I thought the Luxembourg court always denied it thus far.

Shikha Pal · #69 06-20-2008, 05:26 AM

Hello
I have never seen the pictures of the children of Prince Jean. Where can i find them?.
Thanks

kyansaunt20 · #70 06-20-2008, 09:54 AM

there are pictures in the funeral thread for josephine-charlotte of jean's kids

Nitefeatherz · #71 10-05-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by suturegeisha

Thanks for the great reply, Warren.

Article 4: [note- this one is confusing] In case of judicial separation, divorce, or remarriage after death of the spouse, the titles conferred to the Princes of our House by vitue of this decree lose full right.
-I believe that this means that if a Prince of Luxembourg who married without the consent of the Grand Duke and lost his title will regain it in the event of a separation, divorce, or the death of his spouse. I could very well be wrong though.

I believe this means that if the royal couple divorce, or the spouse who was born royal dies and the surviving spouse who WASN'T born royal remarries for whatever reason, the spouse who wasn't royal before they married loses whatever title they gained through the marriage. ( I know I said that badly but hopefully it makes sense.)

maria-olivia · #72 03-21-2009, 09:00 AM

I am happy he is again HRH , I think it is due to his brother Henri when I became
Grand Duke .
Now TRHH Jean and Diane of Luxembourg or of Nassau ??.
The children he got from his first wife Hélène Vestur are also RHH and Counts of Nassau. I think the late Grand Duchess did not appreciate that he got a girl before his wedding. I don't remember if she was there for the wedding that did not take place in Luxembourg. Do the forum have pictures of the wedding ??
Have they the same statute as Louis, Tessy and their children ??
Thanks for answer

**Stefan** · #73 03-21-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia

I am happy he is again HRH , I think it is due to his brother Henri when I became
Grand Duke .
Now TRHH Jean and Diane of Luxembourg or of Nassau ??.
The children he got from his first wife Hélène Vestur are also RHH and Counts of Nassau. I think the late Grand Duchess did not appreciate that he got a girl before his wedding. I don't remember if she was there for the wedding that did not take place in Luxembourg. Do the forum have pictures of the wedding ??
Have they the same statute as Louis, Tessy and their children ??
Thanks for answer

He was always HRH and Princ of Luxembourg like his Cousin Riobert and his nephew Louis. Only hiw wife was not HRH and pricness of Luxembourg.
The chidlren of Robert and Jeand and the wife of Robert was granted the Title Prince/Princess of Nassau with the style HRH in 2004. Only not to Hélène as she and Jean are divorced.
No both Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess Joséphine-Charlotte didn't atend the Wedding of Jean and Hélène. There where also rumours that Jean was close to an engagement to a royal/noble Princess/Countess bbefore he meet Héléne.

Lindy · #74 03-21-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien

Jean and Helène were married in a lavish religious ceremony in Versailles in 1987 IIRC. I remember his late mother looking sturdy almost all the time,another girl had just pinched one of "her" boys.That was how she felt,with each of her sons/ weddings...

Jean's parents did not attend Jean and Helene's wedding.

lucien · #75 03-21-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindy

Jean's parents did not attend Jean and Helene's wedding.

See!It must have been Guillaume's.I recall a sturdy mommy.

No,Diane was not married before as far as I know.

Odette · #76 03-21-2009, 05:40 PM

I believe Jean & Helene had their first child (a son 2) years before they were married and the GD was extremely unhappy about it. P Jean had to denounce his rights to the throne to go ahead with the wedding to Helene. They went on to have more children and from all official pictures for all ceremonies in the G Duchy, Helene was never present.

pamk · #77 03-21-2009, 06:07 PM

I do know that Guillaume and Sybilla were married at Versailles- I didn't realize that Jean
and Helene were married at Versailles also - are there any photos of that marriage?

**Stefan** · #78 03-21-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Odette

I believe Jean & Helene had their first child (a son 2) years before they were married and the GD was extremely unhappy about it. P Jean had to denounce his rights to the throne to go ahead with the wedding to Helene. They went on to have more children and from all official pictures for all ceremonies in the G Duchy, Helene was never present.

Thjeir daughter marie GAbrielle was born on 08.09.1986 and short later on 26.09.1986 Prince jean rennounced his succession rights. Jean and Hélène married on 25.05.1987. This became only known a few years later and from the earls 90's Hélène was present at Family occasions in Luxemburg.

maria-olivia · #79 03-21-2009, 07:09 PM

The late Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte was and looked very happy at the wedding of Guillaume with Sybilla. They were no mother in law problems with Sybilla and her family. When Guillaume had his terrible car crash just at the moment of the abdication all the festivities were postponend. They are wonderfull pictures of the young Prince Jean of Luxembourg taken just before the Grand Duchess illness.

**JessRulz** · #80 03-23-2009, 01:07 AM

All posts relating to Prince Jean's recent nuptials have been moved to the http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...9-a-20673.html thread in the Royal Weddings sub-forum.

Please continue the wedding discussion there.