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Duc you will never find through internat what Grand Duchess Charlotte did to pay her late husband Casino Debts.
When i Lived in Luxembourg old people told me long stories about that.
Grand Duchess Charlotte managed this so well and it remains private.
 
I have no doubt that the Grand Duke will "win" a referendum but I am afraid for the domino effect: the call for similar referendums in Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc.
 
Despite calls for referendums, I think it's extraordinarily difficult to actually go about the process of abolishing a monarchy and setting up a new republican system. I can forsee a lot of economic upheaval as well. Why fix what ain't broken? While I certainly understand the point of republicans I can't think of any case, at least in Europe, where the monarchy is the cause of any political or economic problems.
 
I agree that Grand Duke Henri is probably safe from the referendum, but the Monarchies in Belgium and Spain will face the same movement in the near future. I'll have to take Duc's knowledge about the Netherlands.
OT: I know it's not about popularity, but I was quite surprised, when a month or two ago polls were released concerning the Monarch's popularity in the Netherlands and the results revealed a noticeable dropped for the King.
Of course, I'm not Dutch, but does the public have a lack of confidence in Willem-Alexander's ability to be Monarch as opposed to his mother, grandmother or are other factors in play? Thanks in advance.
 
Katrianna said:
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Of course, I'm not Dutch, but does the public have a lack of confidence in Willem-Alexander's ability to be Monarch as opposed to his mother, grandmother or are other factors in play? Thanks in advance.
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It has nothing to do with the popularity of the King, let alone his immensely popular spouse Queen Máxima. It is simply the dry question: "Do you prefer a republic or a monarchy?". That is a rational question and the rational answer of many rational thinking people will be: "I prefer a system in which we can elect our own head of state". To put it better: the system looses its popularity but remains afloat thanks to personal popularity.

Needless to say that this is extremely unsecure. Look at Spain. King Juan Carlos did hit alltime highs in popularity. The same King also experienced an immense downfall in popularity. As the saying goes: "Popularity comes by feet and goes on horseback" (Popularity is slowly won but quickly lost).
 
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I believe that the saying refers to 'trust' and not to 'popularity'. Popularity can easily be gained and can easily be lost too. I agree with you that personal popularity is a weak base for a monarchy, but it is indeed what keeps them afloat. In this age of meritocracy a monarchy is an anomaly indeed, few people will support the system sec.

I do not agree with your previous analysis that thus far these big changes were done in countries that were stable and prosperous. Most dramatic changes in monarchies happened in times of crisis; lost wars or communist take-overs mainly. No monarchy in Europe has disappeared in a time without a national disaster AFAIK (save the Portuguese monarchy perhaps). During a period of prosperity and stability the government and people can take the luxery of debating minor changes to monarchies and adapting the institute in a way that is more suited to the values of the present day and age. I do not see that as a bad thing but as an absolute necessity for survival.
 
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That is the danger of these referendums. I feel many fellow readers on these forums are mistaking personal popularity as a sign that the system itself enjoys the same popularity, which is not true.

It is very well possible that the Luxembourgers (or the Dutch, or the Belgians) really wish all the best and good luck of the world to their royal families but indeed want to end the system of hereditary succession.

Most likely they will be generous and forthcoming towards their former royal families to make it possible to live in dignity and style, acccording their status. That would result in a situation like in Germany, where former royal families (Hannover, Württemberg, Bayern, Hohenzollern, Waldeck-Pyrmont, etc.) still reside in their ancestral seats and enjoy a prominent place in society but have no official role anymore.
 
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Petition 703 "Pour l'introduction d'une république au Luxembourg en remplacement de la monarchie" is available for signatures and ends October 24th.
Chambre des Députés du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg - Pétition publique n°703

Rules for signing a petition at:
Chambre des Députés du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg

We'll see if it reaches the minimum 4500 needed to move forward, although I assume the mailed-in signatures are not known until the end.
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It seems you can just sign the thing, regardless of your nationality. You can even do it multiple times if you give a false name and adress. They do not seem to ask for a digital ID-check.
 
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Prisma said:
Petition 703 "Pour l'introduction d'une république au Luxembourg en remplacement de la monarchie" is available for signatures and ends October 24th.
Chambre des Députés du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg - Pétition publique n°703

Rules for signing a petition at:
Chambre des Députés du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg

We'll see if it reaches the minimum 4500 needed to move forward, although I assume the mailed-in signatures are not known until the end.
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4500 signatures is extremely low, even for a small country. I see that also in Luxembourg (like in the Netherlands) one can simply sign via internet. I am against that. I think such signatures require checking the identity, for an example via the digital access all citizens of a modern state have, or going to the municipality and sign there.
 
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And all States are not created equal in the College. To be quite blunt for example, California, New York, Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania carry more Electoral clout than Montana or Alaska. So who the people of those states vote for determine who their Electors cast their ballots for.
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Yes, but, relatively to the size of their population, Alaska or Montana are overrepresented in the Electoral College compared to, let's say, California or New York. That happens because all states, however small their population is, are entitled to two senators and at least one member of the House of Representatives, which means a minimum of three EC votes.
 
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So far, the petition has few signatures. I hope you don't have signatures required for a referendum.
 
The signatures by mail and at the municipalities are not count yet. In the meantime in the Netherlands the PVV, leading the polls, wants a Swiss model: 4 times a year a referendum and it can be about a dozen of topics each time, as long as there are enough signatures. It can be: end the monarchy, no more immigrants, out of the EU, return of death penalties, whatever...

In Luxembourg apparently someone can start petitioning an end of the monarchy. This is not possible in the two other Benelux states because the Constitution is excepted from referendums but this will possibly change. All under the name "More involvement of the citizens".
 
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:previous: I'm bemused the article opens with "A petition calling for a referendum about whether or not to keep Luxembourg's Grand Ducal family went live this week."

Um, the petition has been open for signatures since September 12th. :ROFLMAO:
 
Well, signatures for petition 703 to replace the monarchy with a republic has ended. 820 e-signatures with the paper signatures still pending.
 
Wow...that's extremely low, much lower than I thought it would be.

Oh well. Read it and weep Luxembourgish republicans!;)
 
Grand Duc Henri and Heditary GD Guillaume and Stephanie are popular , never a Republic for Luxembourg.
 
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