Luxembourg Succession & Titles

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The correct name of the Luxembourgian noble family is De Bourbon de Parme. The incorporation of Prince Félix into the Nobility of the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg was the base for the incorporation of the children of the late Duke of Parma into the Nobility of the Netherlands.

Incorporation is only possible when the Dutch national has a title which is enlisted "in a comparable system of Nobility".

Arrêté grand-ducal du 5 novembre 1919 admettant dans la Noblesse du Grand-Duché le Prince Félix de Bourbon de Parme

Nous CHARLOTTE, par la grâce de Dieu, Grande-Duchesse de Luxembourg, Duchesse de Nassau, etc., etc., etc.;

Voulant donner une marque publique de Notre affection et de Notre bienveillance à Notre cher Cousin Félix Marie Vincent Prince de Bourbon de Parme, né à Schwarzau, le 28 septembre 1895, trosième fils de Notre cher Oncle, Son Altesse Royale Henri Marie Albert Ferdinand Charles Pie Louis Antonin de Bourbon, duc de Parme, Plaisance etc., et de Notre chère Tante, Son Altesse Royale la duchesse douairière Marie-Antonia de Parme, née princesse de Bragance, Infante de Portugal;

Vu l'art. 40 de la Constitution;

Sur le rapport de Notre Ministre d'État, Président du Gouvernement, et après délibération du Gouvernement en Conseil;

Avons trouvé bon et entendu:

D'admettre dans la noblesse de Notre Grand-Duché de Luxembourg le dit Notre cher Cousin Félix Marie Vincent, Prince de Bourbon de Parme et de lui conférer en outre le titre de Prince de Luxembourg, conformément aux Lettres patentes qui Lui seront délivrées.

Notre Ministre d'État, Président du Gouvernement est chargé de l'exécution du présent arrêté.


Château de Berg
le 5 novembre 1919

C h a r l o t t e .

Le Ministre d'État,
Président du Gouvernement

E. Reuter.

Good point! The grand-ducal decree is in this link: https://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/l...19/11/05/n1/jo

Originally Posted by Somebody

So, does Luxembourg nowadays award a title to any child born before marriage upon the subsequent marriage of their parents? Or is this a new rule for the Nassau title? And will it apply to all family members or only to those further from the throne?

The same titles apply to marital children born before and after the marriage of their parents.

Luxembourg recognizes children as legitimate upon the subsequent marriage of their parents. Article 330, paragraph 1 of the Civil Code states: "All children born outside of marriage, for whom parentage is legally established, are automatically legitimated by the subsequent marriage of their parents".

The wording in § 4b of the updated family bylaw (which is quoted in Somebody's post #136) is "die eheliche Nachkommen", translated correctly by Luxarazzi as "marital descendants". It makes no distinction between marital descendants who were born legitimate and those who were legitimated.

However, § 4b does make a distinction between descendants of marriages conducted with and without the consent of the grand duke. The rule was also applied in earlier decrees, and for that reason the children of Prince Louis did not immediately become Princes of Nassau upon their parents' marriage, which was legally unapproved.

[Somebody]

So, is the argument that children of parents who need approval (as they are in line to the throne) do not get their father's titles and those who don't (for example marriages of those not in line because their parents' marriage wasn't approved) do get the title?! Or did Jean's children (son) ask their uncle permission to marry while there doesn't seem to be any reason to ask for it... other than possibly passing on a title... so ensuring the style of royal highness and title of prince instead of making them count(ess) of Nassau.

In the latter case it makes you wonder whether it is easier to get permission once you are not/no longer in line to the throne...

Are there any other European reigning monarchies left that require those that are not/no longer in line to the throne to ask permission to marry?

[Tatiana Maria]

According to § 4b, all male-line marital descendants of Prince Jean from his marriage to Hélène Vestur are only entitled to be Countesses and Counts of Nassau, since the marriage of Jean and Hélène was not approved. My reading is that their princely titles are consequences of "the conferral of a style or title in the individual case", as subsequently mentioned in § 4b, fifth paragraph.

Originally Posted by Somebody

Unfortunately, there are no publicly available decrees for Tessy, Gabriel and Noah but only a press release(!) - there seem to be decrees for Jean's children, so if anyone has a link, please share.

I've posted below the publicly available decrees relating to the surnames and titles of the grand-ducal family from 1986 onwards. I hope they are helpful.

Originally Posted by Somebody

Are there any other European reigning monarchies left that require those that are not/no longer in line to the throne to ask permission to marry?

See here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2481569

[Tatiana Maria]

1986: The Grand-Ducal Decree of July 28, 1986 concerning the family name of the Princes and Princesses of Luxembourg

Dans les actes publics et privés qui les concernent, les princes et princesses, issus de la descendance masculine et directe du Souverain et nés d'un mariage conclu avec Son consentement, portent le titre de princes et princesses de Luxembourg, à la suite de leurs prénoms et avant la mention de leur nom de famille «Nassau».

Les princesses unies aux princes de Notre Maison grand-ducale par un mariage conclu avec le consentement du Souverain, seront qualifiées de la même manière, à la suite des prénoms, titres et noms de famille qui leur sont propres.

Translation

In the public and private acts which concern them, the princes and princesses, issuing in direct male line from the Sovereign and born from a marriage with His consent, bear the title of princes and princesses of Luxembourg, following their forenames and preceding the mention of their family name "Nassau".

The princesses united with the princes of Our Grand-Ducal House by a marriage with the consent of the Sovereign will be qualified in the same manner, following their own forenames, titles and family names.

This decree was presumably passed because of the impending birth of the first child of Prince Jean and his then girlfriend (not yet wife) Hélène Vestur. Because the child born out of wedlock would receive her father's family name but not his titles, it was necessary to settle the question of Jean's family name.

[Tatiana Maria]

1995: Articles 1 through 5 of the Grand-Ducal Decree of September 21, 1995 concerning the family name and title of Members of the Grand-Ducal Family

Article 1er. Dans les actes publics et privés qui les concernent, les Princes et Princesses issus de la descendance au premier degré du Souverain portent le titre d'Altesse Royale avant leurs prénoms et nom de famille "Nassau" et le titre de Prince ou Princesse de Luxembourg à la suite de leurs prénoms et du nom de famille. Les descendants de l'héritier présomptif de la Couronne sont qualifiés de la même manière.

Article 2. Les Princes de Notre Maison ayant conclu un marriage avec le consentement du Chef de Famille, de même que leurs conjoints, sont qualifiés de la manière prévue à l'article 1er. Les descendants issus de ces unions portent le titre d'Altesse Royale et de Prince ou Princesse de Nassau.

Article 3. Les Princes de Notre Maison ayant conclu un marriage sans le consentement du Chef de Famille portent, de même que leurs conjoints, le seul titre respectivement de Comte ou Comtesse de Nassau à la suite de leurs prénoms et du nom de famille "Nassau". Les descendants issus de ces unions sont qualifiés de la même manière. Les Princesses de Notre Maison ayant conclu un marriage sans le consentement du Chef de Famille, portent le seul titre de Comtesse de Nassau.

Article 4. En cas de séparation de corps des époux, en cas de divorce, en cas de remariage après décès, les titres conférés aux conjoints des Princes de Notre Maison en vertu du présent arrêté se perdent de plein droit.

Article 5. L'arrêté grand-ducal du 28 juillet 1986 concernant le nom de famille des Membres de la Famille grand-ducale est abrogé.

Translation

This is principally TRF member suturegeisha's translation, but I have edited it for clarity and completed the unfinished sections.

Article 1: In the private and public acts which concern them, the Princes and Princesses issuing in the first degree of descent from the Sovereign bear the title of Royal Highness before their first names and family name "Nassau" and the title Prince or Princess of Luxembourg following their first names and the family name. The descendants of the heir presumptive to the Crown are qualified in the same manner.

Article 2: The Princes of Our House, having married with the consent of the Head of the Family, as well as their spouses, are qualified as in article 1. The descendants issuing from these unions carry the title Royal Highness and Prince or Princess of Nassau.

Article 3: The Princes of Our House, having married without the consent of the Head of the Family, as well as their spouses, carry only the title Count or Countess of Nassau following their first names and the family name "Nassau". The descendants issuing from these unions are qualified in the same manner. The Princesses of Our House who have married without the consent of the Head of the Family carry only the title Countess of Nassau.

Article 4: In case of judicial separation [séparation de corps], divorce, or remarriage after death [of the spouse], the titles conferred on the spouses of the Princes of Our House by virtue of this decree are automatically lost.

Article 5. The Grand-Ducal decree of 28 July 1986 concerning the family name of the Members of the Grand-Ducal Family is repealed.

[Tatiana Maria]

2004: Article 1 of the grand-ducal decree of November 27, 2004 in relation to the titles to be borne by Mrs. Julie ONGARO and the descendants of her union with His Royal Highness Prince Robert as well as by the descendants of the union of His Royal Highness Prince Jean with Mrs. Helene VESTUR

Dans les actes publics et privés qui les concernent:

L'épouse de Son Altesse Royale le Prince Robert, née Julie ONGARO est autorisée à porter le titre d'Altesse Royale, Princesse de Nassau.

Les descendants issus de cette union de même que les descendants issus de l'union de Son Altesse Royale le Prince Jean avec Madame Hélène VESTUR sont qualifiés de la même manière.

Les dispositions de l'article 4 de l'arrêté grand-ducal du 21 septembre 1995 concernant le nom de famille et les titres des Membres de la Famille grand-ducale sont applicables.

Translation

In the public and private acts which concern them:

The wife of His Royal Highness Prince Robert, born Julie ONGARO, is authorized to bear the title Royal Highness, Princess of Nassau.

The descendants issuing from this union as well as the descendants issuing from the union of His Royal Highness Prince Jean with Mrs. Hélène VESTUR are qualified in the same manner.

The dispositions of Article 4 of the Grand-Ducal Decree of 21 September 1995 concerning the family name and titles of Members of the Grand-Ducal Family are applicable.

[Tatiana Maria]

2006: Article 1 of the Grand-Ducal Decree of February 3, 2006 modifying the Grand-Ducal Decree of September 21, 1995 concerning the family name and titles of Members of the Grand-Ducal Family

Dans Notre arrêté du 21 septembre 1995 concernant le nom de famille et les titres des Membres de la Famille grand-ducale la référence au nom de famille «Nassau» est remplacée par «de Nassau».

Translation

In Our decree of 21 September 1995 concerning the family name and titles of the Members of the Grand-Ducal Family, the reference to the family name "Nassau" is replaced with "of Nassau".

This decree was apparently passed because of the impending birth of the first child of Prince Louis and his then girlfriend (not yet wife) Tessy Antony. As with Prince Jean's child in 1986, Prince Louis' child born out of wedlock would receive his father's family name but not his titles, and it seems the Grand Duke wanted the child to use "de Nassau" instead of "Nassau".

[Tatiana Maria]

2012: § 4a and § 4b of the Family Bylaw of the House of Nassau of May 5, 1907, as amended by a Grand-Ducal Decree of June 18, 2012 (page 833)

§ 4a. Titel des Staatschefs und des Thronfolgers.

Der Staatschef trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Großherzog oder Großherzogin von Luxemburg, Herzog oder Herzogin zu Nassau (Grand-Duc ou Grande-Duchesse de Luxembourg, Duc ou Duchesse de Nassau), etc., etc.

Die hausrechtsgemäß angeheiratete Gemahlin des Staatschefs trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Großherzogin von Luxemburg, Herzogin zu Nassau (Grande-Duchesse de Luxembourg, Duchesse de Nassau), etc., etc. Der hausrechtsgemäß angeheiratete Gemahl der amtierenden Großherzogin trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Prinz von Luxemburg, Prinzgemahl (Prince de Luxembourg, Prince Consort).

Das nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufene Hausmitglied (Thronfolger oder Thronfolgerin) trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Erbgroßherzog oder Erbgroßherzogin von Luxemburg, Erbprinz oder Erbprinzessin zu Nassau (Grand-Duc Héritier ou Grande-Duchesse Héritière de Luxembourg, Prince Héritier ou Princesse Héritière de Nassau), etc., etc.

Die hausrechtsgemäß angeheiratete Gemahlin des Thronfolgers trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und die Titel Erbgroßherzogin von Luxemburg (Grande-Duchesse Héritière de Luxembourg), Erbprinzessin zu Nassau (Princesse Héritière de Nassau), etc., etc. Im Falle einer Witwenschaft findet § 4b, Abs. 1, Ziff. 1 entsprechende Anwendung. Der hausrechtsgemäß angeheiratete Gemahl der Thronfolgerin trägt das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale) und den Titel Prinz von Luxemburg (Prince de Luxembourg).


§ 4b. Namen und Titel der Mitglieder des Großherzoglichen Hauses und der Großherzoglichen Familie.

Vorbehaltlich der nachstehenden, in Absatz 4 festgelegten Bestimmung, tragen, in den öffentlichen und privaten Handlungen, die sie betreffen, die Mitglieder des Großherzoglichen Hauses (§ 2 Absatz 4) und der Großherzoglichen Familie (§ 2 Absatz 3),

1) die eheliche Nachkommen ersten Grades des Hauschefs sowie des nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufenen Hausmitglieds sind, ferner deren hausrechtsgemäß angeheirateten Gemahlinnen, das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale), ihren Vornamen und den Familiennamen "zu Nassau" ("de Nassau") sowie die Titel Prinz oder Prinzessin von Luxemburg (Prince ou Princesse de Luxembourg), etc., etc.

2) die eheliche männliche Nachkommen zweiten und weiteren Grades des Hauschefs sind, mit Ausnahme der Nachkommen ersten Grades des nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufenen Hausmitglieds (Ziffer 1), ferner deren hausrechtsgemäß angeheirateten Gemahlinnen, das Prädikat Königliche Hoheit (Altesse Royale), ihren Vornamen und den Familiennamen "zu Nassau" ("de Nassau") und die Titel Prinz oder Prinzessin zu Nassau (Prince ou Princesse de Nassau), etc., etc.

3) die eine Ehe geschlossen haben, zu deren Abschluss der Hauschef nicht zugestimmt hat, weiterhin den Familiennamen "zu Nassau" ("de Nassau") sowie ihren angestammten Titel. Die Gemahlinnen und legitimen Nachkommen einer solchen Ehe, tragen ihren Vornamen und den Familiennamen "zu Nassau" ("de Nassau") sowie den Titel Graf oder Gräfin zu Nassau (Comte ou Comtesse de Nassau).

Aus der Führung oder Verleihung eines Prädikats oder eines Titels im Einzelfall können weder Rechte aus der Haus- oder Familienmitgliedschaft noch auf den Konsens zur Ehe hergeleitet werden.

Im Falle einer Ehetrennung (séparation de corps), einer Ehescheidung oder einer Wiederverheiratung nach dem Tod verlieren die Gemahlinnen die ihnen verliehenen Prädikate und Titel.

Im Übrigen tragen die ehelichen Nachkommen der Mitglieder des Großherzoglichen Hauses und der Großherzoglichen Familie den Familiennamen ihres Vaters.

Translation

This is principally Luxarazzi's translation, but I have made minor edits for clarity and precision.

§ 4a. Title of the head of state and of the heir to the throne.

The head of state bears the predicate Royal Highness and the title Grand Duke or Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Duke or Duchess of Nassau, etc. etc.

The wife, by marriage according to the house laws, of the head of state bears the predicate Royal Highness and the title Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Duchess of Nassau, etc. etc. The husband, by marriage according to the house laws, of the ruling Grand Duchess bears the predicate of Royal Highness and the title Prince of Luxembourg, Prince Consort.

The member of the house called upon to succeed to the throne according to the law of primogeniture (heir to the throne or heiress to the throne) bears the predicate Royal Highness and the title Hereditary Grand Duke or Hereditary Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Hereditary Prince or Hereditary Princess of Nassau, etc. etc.

The wife, by marriage according to the house laws, of the heir to the throne bears the predicate Royal Highness and the title Hereditary Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Hereditary Princess of Nassau, etc. etc. In case of widowhood §4b (1) 1 is applied. The husband, by marriage according to the house laws, of the heiress to the throne bears the predicate Royal Highness and the title Prince of Luxembourg.


§ 4b. Surname and title of the members of the Grand Ducal House and the Grand Ducal Family.

Subject to the provisions defined in the following paragraph 4, in the public and private acts which concern them, the members of the Grand Ducal House (§ 2 paragraph 4) and the Grand Ducal Family (§ 2 paragraph 3),

1) the first-degree marital descendants of the Head of the House as well as those of the member of the House called upon to succeed to the throne according to the law of primogeniture, and their wives by marriage according to the house laws, bear the predicate Royal Highness, their first name and the family name "of Nassau" and the title Prince or Princess of Luxembourg, etc. etc.

2) the second- and further degree male-line marital descendants of the Head of the House, with the exception of the first-degree descendants of the member of the House called upon to succeed to the throne according to the law of primogeniture (item 1), and their wives by marriage according to the house laws, bear the predicate Royal Highness, their first name and the family name "of Nassau" and the title Prince or Princess of Nassau, etc. etc.

3) those who married without the consent of the Head of the House, continue to bear the family name "of Nassau" as well as their inherited title. The wives and legitimate descendants of this marriage bear their first name and the family name "of Nassau" and the title Count or Countess of Nassau.

Neither rights from membership of the House or Family nor consent to the marriage can be deduced from the use or the conferral of a predicate or title in the individual case.

In case of a [judicial] separation (séparation de corps), a divorce or a remarriage after death [of the spouse], the wives lose the predicate and title conferred upon them.

In all other circumstances, the marital descendants of members of the Grand Ducal House and the Grand Ducal Family bear the family name of their father.

[Tatiana Maria]

Membership of the Grand Ducal House, Grand Ducal Family and Grand Ducal line are regulated in § 2 of the family bylaws of May 5, 1907, as modified by the grand-ducal decree of June 18, 2012.

https://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/a...12/06/18/n1/jo

Die Großherzogliche Linie (la Lignée Grand-Ducale) besteht aus allen direkten ehelichen Nachkommen des Großherzogs Adolphe (Agnaten und Cognaten).

Die Großherzogliche Familie (la Famille Grand-Ducale) besteht aus allen direkten ehelichen Nachkommen der Großherzogin Charlotte. Die Ehepartner und Verwitweten der Mitglieder der Großherzoglichen Familie gehören dieser ebenfalls an.

Das Großherzogliche Haus (la Maison Grand-Ducale) besteht aus dem Staatsoberhaupt als Hauschef, den ehemaligen Staatsoberhäuptern und den aus einer hausrechtsmäßig gültigen Ehe geborenen Nachkommen ersten Grades eines Hauschefs sowie diejenigen des nach Primogeniturrecht zur Thronfolge berufenen Hausmitglieds.

Die hausrechtsgemäß angeheirateten Ehepartner und Verwitweten der Mitglieder, auch der verstorbenen Staatsoberhäupter, des Großherzoglichen Hauses gehören diesem ebenfalls an. Im Falle einer Wiederverheiratung verlieren die vorgenannten Verwitweten die Mitgliedschaft des Großherzoglichen Hauses.

Translation: This once again principally Luxarazzi's translation, but with some corrections made.

The Grand Ducal Line consists of all direct marital descendants of Grand Duke Adolph (agnates and cognates).

The Grand Ducal Family consists of all direct marital descendants of Grand Duchess Charlotte. The spouses, widows and widowers of members of the Grand Ducal Family are included in it as well.

The Grand Ducal House consists of the head of state as head of the house, the former heads of state, and the first-degree descendants, born from a marriage according to the house laws, of a head of the house and of the member of the house called upon to succeed to the throne according to the law of primogeniture.

The spouses and widows/widowers, by marriage according to the house laws, of members and of deceased heads of state of the Grand Ducal House are also included in it. The aforementioned widows and widowers will lose their membership of the Grand Ducal House in case of remarriage.

The head of the house is authorised, after consultation with the members of the advisory council (§ 10 (1) 4), to confer born members of the Grand Ducal Family with membership of the Grand Ducal House.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by JR76

It does say "Son Altesse Royale"
"C’est avec une grande tristesse que Leurs Altesses Royales le Grand-Duc et la Grande-Duchesse ont appris la disparition de Son Altesse Royale le Prince Wauthier de Ligne, survenue lundi, à l’âge de 70 ans."

https://monarchie.lu/en/node/2682

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

It is a mistake !

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

In theory the Grand Duke could have elevated his cousin to HRH, but I do not see a reason why he would.

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

But how can Grand Duke Henri elevate him? He belongs to the Belgian nobility and received his titles from the Belgian monarchy not the Luxembourgish.

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Legally, there is nothing to prevent it. Other foreigners, such as the Bernadotte former princes or more recently Claire Lademacher, have been elevated by Luxembourg monarchs.

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

The Bernadotte Prince was given a title because he lost rights to the title and style of HRH and prince because of a morganatic marriage. Claire Lademarcher can be given the style of HRH (slightly different) because she’s married to a son of the Luxembourgish head of state.

Article 40 of the Luxembourg constitution reads: "Le Grand-Duc a le droit de conférer des titres de noblesse, sans pouvoir jamais y attacher aucun privilège." ("The Grand Duke may confer titles of nobility, without ever having the power to attach privileges to them.")

Nothing in the constitution, or in the house laws, stipulates that the Grand Duke may only confer HRHs on foreigners when they have married unequally or are married to the son of the head of the state.

[Toledo]

Question on titles on non King/Queen European monarchies:

Can the Grand Duke grant nobility titles, either lifetime or hereditary?

And even if we are here in the Grand Ducal thread, can I ask the same question about the Princes of Monaco and Lichtenstein?

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Anscadar

Question on titles on non King/Queen European monarchies:

Can the Grand Duke grant nobility titles, either lifetime or hereditary?

And even if we are here in the Grand Ducal thread, can I ask the same question about the Princes of Monaco and Lichtenstein?

In the past both the titles count of Nassau and prince of Nassau and prince of Luxembourg have been granted to various members of the grand ducal family.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Somebody

In the past both the titles count of Nassau and prince of Nassau and prince of Luxembourg have been granted to various members of the grand ducal family.

Thanks for the reply! I can log off now since its 10:50 PM on my side of the Royal Forums world here in New York.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Anscadar

Question on titles on non King/Queen European monarchies:

Can the Grand Duke grant nobility titles, either lifetime or hereditary?

And even if we are here in the Grand Ducal thread, can I ask the same question about the Princes of Monaco and Lichtenstein?

Yes. Two prime examples are Prince/ss Bernadotte and Count/ess of Wisborg for Swedish royals.

Oscar II's son Oscar renounced his titles and position when he married a former lady in waiting of Victoria of Baden. The couple were allowed the honorary non-hereditary title prince/ss Bernadotte in 1888.

This changed in 1892 thanks to his uncle. Oscar's mother Sophia was a daughter of Wilhelm of Nassau, and sister of Adolph, Grand Duke of Luxembourg.Adolphe exercised his right to create hereditary peers and granted Prince Bernadotte as a hereditay peerage in Luxembourg. He was also given the title of Count of Wisborg.

The Count of Wisborg title was granted to three of his great nephews when they married morgantically. Lennart, Sigvard and Carl Johan. By then it was Grand Duchess Charlotte and they only received Wisborg.


The only other Prince Bernadotte was Prince Carl,Duke of Ostergotland. But his peerage was in Belgium not Luxembourg. His sister Astrid's husand Leopold III created it for him.

[Duc_et_Pair]

The Luxembourg system is similar to the Netherlands (which is logical, since the union between the two Houses): nobility can be given by elevation, by acknowledgement and by incorporation.

Elevation = an entirely new title is created

Acknowledgement = recognition of an indigenous title of nobility

Incorporation = incorporation of an originally foreign title of nobility

In 1919 Grand-Duchess Charlotte incorporated Félix de Bourbon-Parma into the Nobility of the Grand-Duchy with the hereditary title prince (princesse) de Bourbon de Parme and the prefix Altesse Royale (HRH).

When the children of Princess Irene of the Netherlands by her husband Carlos Hugo de Bourbon-Parma, Duke of Parma and Piacenza, requested incorporation of their foreign title into the Nobility of the Netherlands, the requirement was: a recognized title in a comparable system of Nobility. They could (succesfully) refer to this incorporation in Luxembourg.

[Toledo]

Thanks @Duc et Pair and @Countessmeout for the replies that help me understand the system in non King/Queen monarchies.
I have lots of books and reference links about royalty and nobility and none seem to mention the specifics on Monaco, Lichtenstein or Luxembourg in terms of if and how peer titles are granted.

[maria-olivia]

Few Nobiity in Luxembourg.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Anscadar

Thanks @Duc et Pair and @Countessmeout for the replies that help me understand the system in non King/Queen monarchies.
I have lots of books and reference links about royalty and nobility and none seem to mention the specifics on Monaco, Lichtenstein or Luxembourg in terms of if and how peer titles are granted.

There is no nobility in Liechtenstein apart from the Princely family who later on became sovereigns

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Anscadar

Question on titles on non King/Queen European monarchies:

Can the Grand Duke grant nobility titles, either lifetime or hereditary?

Yes, the Grand Duke of Luxembourg is permitted to grant nobility. Article 40 of the Luxembourg constitution reads: "Le Grand-Duc a le droit de conférer des titres de noblesse, sans pouvoir jamais y attacher aucun privilège." ("The Grand Duke may confer titles of nobility, without ever having the power to attach privileges to them.")

Originally Posted by Anscadar

And even if we are here in the Grand Ducal thread, can I ask the same question about the Princes of Monaco and Lichtenstein?

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

There is no nobility in Liechtenstein apart from the Princely family who later on became sovereigns

The Princes of Liechtenstein may also grant nobility but haven't done so since 1979.

https://fuerstenhaus.li/en/the-monarchy/decorations/

"As Head of State, the Prince can confer titles. [...] Noble titles with the predicate "von" as well as the titles "Baron" and "Count" are very rarely awarded. The last time such a title was awarded was in 1979."

In today's age, the difference of title between the monarchs of Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, and Monaco versus the other European monarchs is than a relict of history. In actuality, all are heads of sovereign states, as are the presidents of France or Germany.

For future reference, the Non-British Styles and Titles thread is available for title questions and discussion relating to multiple countries.

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

This changed in 1892 thanks to his uncle. Oscar's mother Sophia was a daughter of Wilhelm of Nassau, and sister of Adolph, Grand Duke of Luxembourg.Adolphe exercised his right to create hereditary peers and granted Prince Bernadotte as a hereditay peerage in Luxembourg. He was also given the title of Count of Wisborg.

Grand Dule Adophe only gave the title Count and Countess of Wisborg to Prince Oscar and his wife and descendants.

"D'admettre dans la Noblesse de Notre Grand-Duché de Luxembourg ledit Notre cher neveu Oscar-Charles-Auguste Prince Bernadotte, ainsi que la Princesse Ebba-Henriette Bernadotte, et leurs descendants des deux sexes, nés et à naître de mariage légitime, et de leur conférer en outre le titre de Comte et Comtesse de Wisborg, qui sera porté par tous leurs descendants légitimes, conformément aux lettres patentes qui leur seront délivrées."

https://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/l.../1892/04/02/n1

[Toledo]

Thanks everyone for all the information on my question above! And even when the links are in other languages my browser auto translates them. I remember when I was in the old version of the Forum, with username El Cid, there was no such thing as automatic translation on anything.

The information is an eye opener on these three small countries, like I always assumed in Luxemburg the children of the monarch started using the predicate prince(ss) after the marriage into the Bourbon-Parma cadet family. Now I see it's all into legal documents, same with the usage of Royal Highness over Grand Ducal Highness.