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To Saschana , thanks for your answer. Jean and Hélène had in fact a daughter before their wedding.
I did not understand why Diane de Guerre, Prince Jean Jr second wife was not invited at Grand Duke Jean 's 90th birthday.
I wonder how is the relationship with the 2 brothers Prince Jean Jr and Grand duke Henri. Did He assist Prince Jean Jr 2 weddings ?
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06-29-2011, 06:12 PM
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You're welcome!
The whole family was there for Jean and Helene's wedding. Despite the child out of wedlock the family has always supported the union and it seems as if they have taken Helene's side in the divorce. There were rumours that Jean was already involved with Diane when he was still married to Helene and the only family member who attended his 2nd wedding was Prince Guillaume. I don't know whether Sibilla and their children were there too. Non of his other siblings, nieces or nephews were there. I think Diane has never attended any event within Luxembourg so it seems that the family is not very welcoming towards her.
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I think it is a good idea to start it from the next generation. It means that those who have grown from child to adult in a certain place will stay in that place, but for Guillaume's children it will be clear from the day that they are born. It means no-one ends up in the potentially unfair position that Sweden's Prince Carl-Philip was in as a child having his position changed by a new rule.
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Nothing would really change had they included Alexandra. Guillaume would still be first in line and Felix second. Alexandra would be third and Sebastien fourth, actually the place he was born in as Louis renounced his rights.
I have to agree with the Luxarazzi-Blogger, I too find it strange as Alexandra is clearly a descendant of the current Grand Duke and it doesn't seem as if they really want an equal succession... It would only mean that two people would be added to the line - Princess Alexandra and Princess Charlotte - and there are highly unlikely to inherit.
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06-29-2011, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Saschana
You're welcome!
The whole family was there for Jean and Helene's wedding. Despite the child out of wedlock the family has always supported the union and it seems as if they have taken Helene's side in the divorce. There were rumours that Jean was already involved with Diane when he was still married to Helene and the only family member who attended his 2nd wedding was Prince Guillaume. I don't know whether Sibilla and their children were there too. Non of his other siblings, nieces or nephews were there. I think Diane has never attended any event within Luxembourg so it seems that the family is not very welcoming towards her.
Nothing would really change had they included Alexandra. Guillaume would still be first in line and Felix second. Alexandra would be third and Sebastien fourth, actually the place he was born in as Louis renounced his rights.
I have to agree with the Luxarazzi-Blogger, I too find it strange as Alexandra is clearly a descendant of the current Grand Duke and it doesn't seem as if they really want an equal succession... It would only mean that two people would be added to the line - Princess Alexandra and Princess Charlotte - and there are highly unlikely to inherit.
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Why did Louis renounce his rights?
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06-29-2011, 06:59 PM
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He fathered a child out of wedlock at the age of 19. Gabriel was born in March 2006 and he married the mother of his child later that year in September. When they got married Louis decided that he would renounce his rights as any other son born during their marriage would have been in the line of succession while Gabriel wouldn't have, as Luxembourg doesn't have the option of legitimising children through marriage.
More specifically he didn't ask for consent so he lost his rights. No one knows whether he would have gotten the consent...
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06-30-2011, 02:09 PM
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He fathered a child out of wedlock at the age of 19. Gabriel was born in March 2006 and he married the mother of his child later that year in September. When they got married Louis decided that he would renounce his rights as any other son born during their marriage would have been in the line of succession while Gabriel wouldn't have, as Luxembourg doesn't have the option of legitimising children through marriage.
More specifically he didn't ask for consent so he lost his rights. No one knows whether he would have gotten the consent...
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The wording of the wedding announcement could let think that, as parents, the grand duke and the grand duchess welcomed Tessy in the family but that the couple wouldn't have got the consent.
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07-09-2011, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Saschana
You're welcome!
The whole family was there for Jean and Helene's wedding. Despite the child out of wedlock the family has always supported the union and it seems as if they have taken Helene's side in the divorce. There were rumours that Jean was already involved with Diane when he was still married to Helene and the only family member who attended his 2nd wedding was Prince Guillaume. I don't know whether Sibilla and their children were there too. Non of his other siblings, nieces or nephews were there. I think Diane has never attended any event within Luxembourg so it seems that the family is not very welcoming towards her.
Nothing would really change had they included Alexandra. Guillaume would still be first in line and Felix second. Alexandra would be third and Sebastien fourth, actually the place he was born in as Louis renounced his rights.
I have to agree with the Luxarazzi-Blogger, I too find it strange as Alexandra is clearly a descendant of the current Grand Duke and it doesn't seem as if they really want an equal succession... It would only mean that two people would be added to the line - Princess Alexandra and Princess Charlotte - and there are highly unlikely to inherit.
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I'm not sure I agree with Absolute Primogeniture for two reasons;
1) This means the end of well established European dynasties like the Bourbons, and the Oldenburgs, since these thrones wll pass out of these families through the female line.
2) What if the Crown Princess makes an unsuitable marriage? Lady Davina Windsor, daughter of the Duke of Gloucester married a Maori- had she been 1st in line to the Throne, Britain would have ended up with a Maori royal family. What if the Crown Princess marries a Malaysian Muslim, or a Polish man. This means a foreign family on the Throne- this is what happened in Scotland when female line succession was first permitted- with disastrous consequences for the Celtic population of Scotland.,
3) Some families have a genetic tendency to produce male children first- like the Mac Gregors of Glencarnaig- the family of the Chiefs of the Scottish Clan Gregor. In this case , the country would never see a female ruler.
I believe it is better to have a Dynastic-Elective monarchy like Thailand, or Cambodia. The monarch is elected, so long as they belong to the Royal House in the male line- could be either a king or a queen.
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07-19-2011, 08:37 PM
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Lux-arazzi is now reporting that Princess Alexandra is in the line sucession now, ahead of Prince Sebastian. The only reason I can think of that the Cour Grand-Ducale is insisting the change is not retroactive (which it must be, since Princess Alexandra is included where she would have been had the current rules been in effect at the time of her birth) is that obviously Grand Duke Henri is not being replaced by his older sister. The would be totally illogical, but perhaps that's why they're insisting it's not truly retroactive.
Luxembourg: The Neverending Story...
I do agree with the blog post in that it would just be so much easier for the Cour Grand-Ducale to just publish the full line of succession.
It's likely a moot point, since both HGD Guillaume and Prince Felix would have to die childless for it matter where Princess Alexandra is, but stranger things have happened. (Don't misunderstand--I wish nothing but the best for both Guillaume and Felix, you just never know.)
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06-25-2012, 08:38 AM
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Luxembourg Succession & Titles
Hello everybody!
I was reading in the UJM areportagem Hola! Spain and read that line of succession changed in Lux!
Now the second in line of succession is the Princess Alexandra, but it would be Prince Felix?
Can someone answer me this question????
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06-25-2012, 08:47 AM
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As far as I understood it´s for the next generation. If Guillaume and Stephanie get a girl first, she will bei the heir
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Has somebody recorded the christening of Ingrid Alexandra?It was so nice to see all of them together as a happy family...
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06-25-2012, 09:06 AM
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The current line of succession for Luxembourg is:
1. HGD Guillaume (heir apparent)
2. Felix
3. Alexandra
4. Sebastien
5. Prince Guillaume, brother of GD Henri
6. Prince Paul Louis of Nassau, son of Prince Guillaume
7. Prince Léopold of Nassau, son of Prince Guillaume
8. Prince Jean André of Nassau, son of Prince Guillaume
Prince Louis, who otherwise would have been 3rd, renounced his rights just before his first son was born and Prince Jean, the other brother of GD Henri who would otherwise be 5th in line, renounced his rights before his first marriage in 1986.
The absolute primogeniture was only in effect for Henri's children, hence Alexandra took her place before her younger brother Sebastien but Princesses Marie-Astrid and Margaretha are not in line.
Should Guillaume and Stephanie have a girl first she would be heir as liv already said 
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06-25-2012, 09:14 AM
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06-25-2012, 09:26 AM
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The succession change happened last June but is not retroactive. It applies to children born after Grand Duke Henri has passed. It does not apply to Alexandra therefore the current succession line does not alter.
Considering that Hola article says Stephanie is marrying a Prince William and Alexandra is a he, I can't trust the translation. 
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06-25-2012, 09:38 AM
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Hola! has gotten their facts wrong. They state that Princess Alexandra is now above her two younger brothers, meaning Felix and Sebastien. Alexandra only has one younger brother - Sebastien - and thus only moves up one position to #3.
The line of succession in American Dane's post above it correct. Hola! is wrong.
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Considering that Hola article says Stephanie is marrying a Prince William
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If you have translated the article from Spanish to English, of course it's going to say 'William' in place of 'Guillaume' (or in Hola!'s case, Guillermo). They are the same name, just in different languages, and Hola!/other publications have the habit of translating names into their own variant.
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06-25-2012, 10:06 AM
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OK I agree with you all, I thought things had changed a lot! I had a scare! But thanks to all! Kisses!
But taking advantage, some do not know why Stephanie was the celebration this weekend in LUX?
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06-25-2012, 09:26 PM
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Hola! has gotten their facts wrong. They state that Princess Alexandra is now above her two younger brothers, meaning Felix and Sebastien. Alexandra only has one younger brother - Sebastien - and thus only moves up one position to #3.
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Well, it seems that the magazine have corrected the text, as it now says that Alexandra is in third spot after her two older brothers.
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06-26-2012, 03:31 AM
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The succession change happened last June but is not retroactive. It applies to children born after Grand Duke Henri has passed. It does not apply to Alexandra therefore the current succession line does not alter.
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Last year, the court confirmed that Alexandra now is in line to the throne. It applies to all of Henri's descendants but not to the ones of his brother Guillaume thus Guillaume's daughter Charlotte is not in line to succeed and the daughters of his sons probably never will.
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06-26-2012, 04:14 AM
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Last year, the court confirmed that Alexandra now is in line to the throne. It applies to all of Henri's descendants but not to the ones of his brother Guillaume thus Guillaume's daughter Charlotte is not in line to succeed and the daughters of his sons probably never will.
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Eh?  Did I say otherwise? I never even mentioned Henri's brother.
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06-26-2012, 09:12 AM
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Hello everybody!
Yesterday I was discussing this aqyi the TRF, but elsewhere.
When I read the story of Spain's Hola magazine and Hell UK freaked out because the story and really change the line of succession.
The official site of the Felix family continues as second in line to the throne.
I found a very gross error of this news story!
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06-26-2012, 09:13 AM
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You said:
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The succession change happened last June but is not retroactive. It applies to children born after Grand Duke Henri has passed. It does not apply to Alexandra therefore the current succession line does not alter.
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The order of succession did change, Alexandra went from fourth place before as being female, to third due to birth order regardless of sex.
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06-26-2012, 04:21 PM
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You said:
The order of succession did change, Alexandra went from fourth place before as being female, to third due to birth order regardless of sex.
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A small correction:
Alexandra went from 'nada' to 3rd place as the succession was formerly semi-salic, meaning Alexandra wasn't in the succession at all prior to change 
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