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Old 05-25-2020, 09:49 AM
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An overview of the languages spoken by the Grand Ducal Family according to their own biographies. They distinguish between fluent and 'good knowledge' - I interpreted that as an 'intermediate' level. As all of them speak 6 languages between them, I've included all 6 languages for each, for easy comparison. For Maria Teresa and Sébastien, it is not included in their biographies.

Henri: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (NOT), Italian (NOT)
Maria Teresa: Luxembourgish (insufficient), French (fluent - most likely), German (not really as far as I know), English (fluent - I suppose), Spanish (fluent/mother tongue), Italian (not - most likely)

Guillaume: Luxembourgish (fluent/mother tongue), French (fluent), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (fluent), Italian (NOT)
Stéphanie: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent/mother tongue), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (NOT), Italian (NOT)

Félix: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (intermediate), Italian (fluent)
Claire: Luxembourgish (NOT), French (fluent), German (fluent/mother tongue), English (fluent), Spanish (NOT), Italian (fluent)

Louis: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (intermediate), Italian (NOT)

Alexandra: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent), German (intermediate), English (fluent), Spanish (fluent), Italian (intermediate)

Sébastien: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent), German (intermediate?), English (fluent), Spanish (intermediate?), Italian (not?)
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An overview of the languages spoken by the Grand Ducal Family according to their own biographies. They distinguish between fluent and 'good knowledge' - I interpreted that as an 'intermediate' level. As all of them speak 6 languages between them, I've included all 6 languages for each, for easy comparison. For Maria Teresa and Sébastien, it is not included in their biographies.

Stéphanie: Luxembourgish (fluent), French (fluent/mother tongue), German (fluent), English (fluent), Spanish (NOT), Italian (NOT)
Doesn't Stephanie also have a good knowledge of Russian and/or Dutch?
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Doesn't Stephanie also have a good knowledge of Russian and/or Dutch?
She attended a Dutch school as a young child but apparently she lost most of it - probably because she never used it afterwards; I also thought she spoke Russian - but I would assume the court would put it up on their website if she felt she had a reasonable level.
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Stephanie studied Russian language and literature so I would assume she knows some Russian even if its not fluent.

She attended a Dutch language school before studying in France so I think it would be fair to again assume that she knows some level of Dutch.
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Stephanie studied Russian language and literature so I would assume she knows some Russian even if its not fluent.

She attended a Dutch language school before studying in France so I think it would be fair to again assume that she knows some level of Dutch.
The question remains: why does the court itself not include it as a languages she speaks either 'courammente' or 'at a reasonable level' (they used various descriptions: "He has also studied Spanish" (for Félix), "He also has an extensive knowledge of Spanish" (for Louis) and "She also has a good knowledge of German and Italian" (for Alexandra)? It seems most likely that Stéphanie herself thinks that her level isn't good enough to be mentioned...

And, while I would suppose she retained quite a bit of her Russian, it could very well be that she 'lost' most of her Dutch after not using it for several decades. If she would decide to study it again, she most likely would pick it up rather quickly but it is possible to loose a language completely (even if you spoke it fluently - as some people who were adopted can attest to).
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Does this mean, that nobody speaks a bit Portuguise?

Luxembourg has a lot of immigrants from Portugal. So, I thought... perhaps a bit... And Spanish might not be as different as it sounds.
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The question remains: why does the court itself not include it as a languages she speaks either 'courammente' or 'at a reasonable level' (they used various descriptions: "He has also studied Spanish" (for Félix), "He also has an extensive knowledge of Spanish" (for Louis) and "She also has a good knowledge of German and Italian" (for Alexandra)? It seems most likely that Stéphanie herself thinks that her level isn't good enough to be mentioned...

And, while I would suppose she retained quite a bit of her Russian, it could very well be that she 'lost' most of her Dutch after not using it for several decades. If she would decide to study it again, she most likely would pick it up rather quickly but it is possible to loose a language completely (even if you spoke it fluently - as some people who were adopted can attest to).

Stéphanie is fluent in German and in English. She grew up in Belgium and, although she is a native Francophone, she briefly attended a Dutch-speaking school, if I am not mistaken, and, in any case, she definitely had previous exposure to Dutch as it is inevitable in contemporary Belgium.


Considering that she learned Luxembourgish (Middle Franconian) in a short period of time (bulding on her knowledge probably of High German), I would say picking up fluency in Dutch (Low Franconian) would be a breeze for her, even though Dutch is more akin to Low German (like Low Saxon) than High German or Luxembourgish.




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Does this mean, that nobody speaks a bit Portuguise?

Luxembourg has a lot of immigrants from Portugal. So, I thought... perhaps a bit... And Spanish might not be as different as it sounds.

Spanish and Portuguese are very similar in writing, grammar and vocabulary although Portuguese has a more complicated spelling and a much more complex phonology, chiefly because it has far more vowel phonemes and diphtongs than Spanish. They are generally mutually intelligible, but, perhaps because of the differences in pronunciation, it is often claimed that Spanish speakers have more difficulty to understand Portuguese than vice-versa (similar to what happens with Swedish and Danish perhaps in the case of the Germanic languages). Reading standard written Portuguese should be straightforward for a Spanish speaker.


King Felipe VI for example claims to speak Portuguese and has used it occasionally at state banquets where the Portuguese president was present. His Spanish accent is very heavy though when speaking Portuguese and he only limited himself to a few pre-prepared lines, which makes me doubt how proficient he is. His Catalan is even worse, I think, even though he was the Prince of Girona before becoming the King of Spain. Princess Leonor appears to be being groomed to speak Catalan much better than her father and it would make sense for her to learn Portuguese too, although I think she prefers to concentrate on major international languages like English and Mandarin instead.
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Princess Leonor appears to be being groomed to speak Catalan much better than her father and it would make sense for her to learn Portuguese too, although I think she prefers to concentrate on major international languages like English and Mandarin instead.
Off topic but it seems fitting to point out that one of the most prominent co-official languages of Spain is the Portuguese sister language/dialect (depending of who you ask) Galician spoken by over two million people so it wouldn't be wrong for them to demand that Leonore has at least some knowledge of that language.
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The website of the GDF still requires some updates; for example the family still doesn't include their future grand duke: prince Charles.

Luckily, he is mentioned at his parents' pages (Guillaume, Stéphanie)
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I think it needs a revamp it looks about 10 years out of date but at least it functions unlike the crash prone casareal .
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