The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Royal Highlights > Royal Library
Click Here to Login

Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1921  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:03 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Woodbury, United States
Posts: 2,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLLK View Post
Here is some info on ELF when he was appointed Prince Harry's Private Secretary in 2013.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-hand-man.html
Thank you- and Tommy/Poppy also!

When I see Edward Fox, I canít help thinking of Edward and Mrs. Simpson, lol
__________________

  #1922  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:08 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Woodbury, United States
Posts: 2,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavs View Post
They fought very publicly to be able to keep using those titles and complained that people like Bea, Eugenie, Edward, Prince Michael etc were all able to use HRH Prince/ss whilst having an outside job.

Although working for an art gallery or tech firm is very different from having Sussex Royal on everything as a brand name which I think is what the firm were worried about if Bea started the HRH Princess Beatrice Technology Consultancy she would probably be told to change it. Even Prince Michael might get into more difficulties with Cantium Services and his "business consulting" if he was any closer to the throne.

Nothing they've done suggests that they want to use "Mountbatten Windsor" to identify themselves.

Edward Lane Fox does seem to have done a good job in turning Harry's image around whilst he was there. It didn't take long at all to go from all the controversial and highly problematic stuff to "Harry was just young, he's grown - look at all the amazing things he's doing now!" Helped by a Cheeky Chappie and Harry the Fun Lad persona.
Of course they did - Harry and Meghan are like spoiled children, crying about unfair treatment whenever they canít get what they want. They couldnít understand why there was an issue with them using HRH; their self-absorption, ignorance and sense of entitlement is mind-blowing.
__________________

  #1923  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:10 PM
Queen Claude's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: USA, United States
Posts: 1,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curbside View Post
I don’t mean that Meghan should expect to go shopping with Kate, just that it might be off putting to have not been invited.
To me what was substantially more off-putting is that the incident was leaked to a Canadian gossip blogger who then reported it as a thinly veiled blind item (link).

Both Harry and William are known to have trust issues. William, and I think Harry but I am not 100% sure, would give false information to new people as a test to see if the information would end up in the media. If information got leaked, then that person got cut off.

The fact that an incident involving Meghan and Kate ended up in the media not long after they were introduced would understandably set the stage for the relationship, not only the relationship between Meghan and Kate but also the relationship between Meghan and Kate's distrustful and guarded husband.

I cannot believe the fact that this incident between Kate and Meghan ended up in the press escaped notice, and wish that the fall out from it was addressed in the book.


ETA:
I started drafting this comment and then stepped away and see that yukari posted a very thorough breakdown of the incident and the fact that it was leaked.
  #1924  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:21 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Oakland, United States
Posts: 576
Quote:
Originally Posted by miss whirley View Post
Edward Lane Fox. He appears to be a master of PR, since he did great job of masking/redirecting Harry's controversies and personality "issues".

FF makes it sound like Meghan didn't trust him. So reading between the lines he was shown the door, then the Sussexes focused on a more Hollywood PR approach.

I'd like to think if ELF ever crossed paths with M&H, he'd do a Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, "Big Mistake! Big! Huge!" before strutting away from them.
Wow! Hold on! ELF is mentioned in the book?!
How has that not been quoted and talked about, itís actually a major thing imo.
  #1925  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:34 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody View Post
I wasn't referring to any article... I was just responding to a post about the 'shopping issue' that seems to have been reported in multiple outlets.

I agree with the many posters that it another example of Meghan needlessly taking offense of something very minor. She may have been slightly disappointed (it would have been nice to do so together - maybe another time) but any other reaction is overblown - and says much more about Meghan than about Catherine.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/o...sultPosition=1

This is the article from the New York Times. Perhaps I should have placed it in the 'Finding Freedom' thread as the article is meant as a reaction to the book. Reading through the reactions on this thread to just one sentence in the article about the Duchess of Cambridge not offering to share a trip to a particular shopping street, it seems to me that the cultural differences between Americans and the British are indeed amplified by a lack of empathy and a dearth of kindness. Perhaps as a subject for discussion: the article's author claims that the Duchess of Sussex is a perfectionist and that her failure at being a member of the British Royal Family is extremely hurtful. Another interesting insight from the article: Prince Harry, as a member of the Royal Family, confused "sacrifice with service"; his duchess confused it with fame. Upthread, I compared the marriage of Harry and his Meghan to the romance between Carla Bruni and Nicolas Sarkozy: the aging starlet marries fame and fortune. I wonder how other members of TRF think of these ideas.
  #1926  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:37 PM
Somebody's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 6,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darius1 View Post
Believe me it is hard! Unless we are talking about a small company. Anyway, absolutely - they are not trading on their titles. The Sussexes are looking to milk every last drop out of Harry's heritage. It is tawdry and unedifying.
It depends on the size of the company and the organization structure/org chart but VP is typically high up and takes quite some time, so yes, her being a princess might have been a contributing factor, I could see the benefit of her being a royal for this position (strategic partnerships). It might open doors just a little faster...
  #1927  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:39 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Oakland, United States
Posts: 576
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLLK View Post
Here is some info on ELF when he was appointed Prince Harry's Private Secretary in 2013.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-hand-man.html
Only 2013?
I somehow thought he was with him for far longer.
  #1928  
Old 08-16-2020, 12:41 PM
Somebody's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 6,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betsypaige View Post
Thank you- and Tommy/Poppy also!

When I see Edward Fox, I canít help thinking of Edward and Mrs. Simpson, lol
My thoughts with the 'Lane Fox' immediately go to the fictional 'The Hon. Mabel Lane Fox' of Downton Abbey.
  #1929  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:13 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,470
Daily update on book.

The last one before the end.

All just how great they are. How others, within the palaces, felt the would eclipse the monarchy.

Just three things of real note really.

The tiara.

I have the distinct impression that Meghan, upon looking online at tiaras, did want one with emeralds. And Omid talks about the one Eugenie did indeed wear. But she obviously wasn't offered.

Anyway Harry being absolutely over the top about Angela Kelly. Completely. Inferring she is Queens gatekeeper. She didn't like Meghan etc etc you cannot always have what you want. But it is very clear earlier on that Angela had said a trial would take place. She probably though the week before or something.

I mean it just goes to show the level of paranoia.

Also the baby shower. It caused many within the palace, who had previously supported Harry to question things. They felt a lot of the pictures were set up paparazzi ones.

The other is the bananas. I mean it was vapid. That is my opinion. Your job as a member of the royal family is to shine a light on the needs and works of others which then enables them to get support and money. You provide the flashlight to enable these peoples to better their lives. You can talk about competition between the households all you like, but this is essentially what it comes down to. Getting publicity for the work which enables people to be helped. No one is interested in what you have to say. As the Queen screamed at Prince Charles in The Crown. Meghan saying she couldn't answer the media back. Why does she need to. They have an opinion. She has opinion. Why would you need to defend yourself.

The overall feeling about this book is absolute indulgence. Like Ancient Rome.

No one in the world would feel sorry for them after this and there are things to feel for them over. The media coverage could be horrendous. But reading this is just a narcissist and her enabler wrankling against the world screaming: why don't you like me? Everyone loves me.
  #1930  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:15 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Oakland, United States
Posts: 576
Quote:
Originally Posted by Queen Claude View Post
To me what was substantially more off-putting is that the incident was leaked to a Canadian gossip blogger who then reported it as a thinly veiled blind item (link).

Both Harry and William are known to have trust issues. William, and I think Harry but I am not 100% sure, would give false information to new people as a test to see if the information would end up in the media. If information got leaked, then that person got cut off.

The fact that an incident involving Meghan and Kate ended up in the media not long after they were introduced would understandably set the stage for the relationship, not only the relationship between Meghan and Kate but also the relationship between Meghan and Kate's distrustful and guarded husband.

I cannot believe the fact that this incident between Kate and Meghan ended up in the press escaped notice, and wish that the fall out from it was addressed in the book.


ETA:
I started drafting this comment and then stepped away and see that yukari posted a very thorough breakdown of the incident and the fact that it was leaked.
Even more so:
Lainey was at the time, and still is, a fairly obscure Canadian gossiper.
The reason why it was obvious this info came via Meghan, was because Lainey works (worked?) with Ben Mulroney...
You do the math.

Whether this leak reached William and Catherine is a good question.

There has been (is? Not sure if she still posts) one YouTuber gossiper, a former editor for a US tabloid (the star I think), who has said- for a long time now -how before Meghan it was impossible to get gossip from the royals household and a lot of what they wrote was not true or build upon nuggets of info, but since Meghan arrived on the scene her friends in the business have been saying the gates have opened and there has been leaks upon leaks.
  #1931  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:20 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 458
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody View Post

So, would things change if you are a high-profile person that at all times needs to think about the press who might spot you when you are going about your own business - and bringing the new girlfriend of your brother-in-law might create more fuss? You'd think they would both want to avoid any additional press attention.
This is right on the money. Catherine and Meghan being seen shopping together would have brought so much attention and speculation. Let's face it, Katherine has LOTS of experience being a royal girlfriend. I'm sure her instinct would be not to feed the beast. The less attention the better, especially when H&M were in the early stages of dating.
  #1932  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:25 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 12,310
Quote:
Originally Posted by evolvingdoors View Post
Even more so:
Lainey was at the time, and still is, a fairly obscure Canadian gossiper.
The reason why it was obvious this info came via Meghan, was because Lainey works (worked?) with Ben Mulroney...
You do the math.

Whether this leak reached William and Catherine is a good question.

There has been (is? Not sure if she still posts) one YouTuber gossiper, a former editor for a US tabloid (the star I think), who has said- for a long time now -how before Meghan it was impossible to get gossip from the royals household and a lot of what they wrote was not true or build upon nuggets of info, but since Meghan arrived on the scene her friends in the business have been saying the gates have opened and there has been leaks upon leaks.

That is pure nonsense. There have always been leaks, lots of leaks within about the BRF. To try and blame it on Meghan is ridiculous.

There are tons of gossipy leaks about various members of the BRF...they, for whatever reason, are not talked about here for the most part...unless it's to do with the Sussexes.



LaRae
  #1933  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:30 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,470
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerry View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/o...sultPosition=1

This is the article from the New York Times. Perhaps I should have placed it in the 'Finding Freedom' thread as the article is meant as a reaction to the book. Reading through the reactions on this thread to just one sentence in the article about the Duchess of Cambridge not offering to share a trip to a particular shopping street, it seems to me that the cultural differences between Americans and the British are indeed amplified by a lack of empathy and a dearth of kindness. Perhaps as a subject for discussion: the article's author claims that the Duchess of Sussex is a perfectionist and that her failure at being a member of the British Royal Family is extremely hurtful. Another interesting insight from the article: Prince Harry, as a member of the Royal Family, confused "sacrifice with service"; his duchess confused it with fame. Upthread, I compared the marriage of Harry and his Meghan to the romance between Carla Bruni and Nicolas Sarkozy: the aging starlet marries fame and fortune. I wonder how other members of TRF think of this idea.
I read it. I think they did. They got it all wrong. But at the end of says it is admirable they didn't settle for that life. That depends of you think the life is worth it. That public service isn't worth it. That the Prince's Trust and all the people it has helped hasn't been worth it. Or the Invictus Games. Or thr hospitals they open. Or the Duke of Edinburgh awards. Or or or. Yes they sacrifice parts of themselves to do the job. But what about the public service. Or any public service. Any such career more focussed on others and not done to gain money. And not done to have a voice or gain fame in the royals instance.
  #1934  
Old 08-16-2020, 01:34 PM
Eskimo's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Dallas, United States
Posts: 570
Quote:
Originally Posted by rominet09 View Post
At the time there was nothing official for Harry and Meghan. If they had been papped together (Kate and Meghan) it would have started a lot of unwanted comments.
IMO, that is exactly why Meghan was "offended". She wanted to tout Kate's seal of approval for her relationship with Harry at that early stage and was thwarted.
  #1935  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:01 PM
Lilyflo's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,207
It looks like the shopping incident happened months before Harry was seen publicly with Meghan at the Invictus Games. If that's the case, then of course Catherine wouldn't offer to go shopping with her and have their photos all over the media. I'd have thought Catherine wouldn't dream of escalating the Harry/Meghan stories before Harry himself had planned his own public outing with Meghan.

Meghan may have felt slighted & grumbled to a friend (who repeated it) but given that Harry hadn't arranged to be seen officially with her in public at that point, no doubt he could have explained to her why Catherine went on her own.
  #1936  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:11 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Torrance, United States
Posts: 5,186
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilyflo View Post
It looks like the shopping incident happened months before Harry was seen publicly with Meghan at the Invictus Games. If that's the case, then of course Catherine wouldn't offer to go shopping with her and have their photos all over the media. I'd have thought Catherine wouldn't dream of escalating the Harry/Meghan stories before Harry himself had planned his own public outing with Meghan.

Meghan may have felt slighted & grumbled to a friend (who repeated it) but given that Harry hadn't arranged to be seen officially with her in public at that point, no doubt he could have explained to her why Catherine went on her own.
That seems like a very reasonable scenario Lilyflo. As mentioned before Catherine had years of experience as the royal girlfriend, so choosing to not draw attention before Prince Harry had publicly acknowledged his relationship with Meghan was the sensible thing to do.
  #1937  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:17 PM
Lilyflo's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,207
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLLK View Post
That seems like a very reasonable scenario Lilyflo. As mentioned before Catherine had years of experience as the royal girlfriend, so choosing to not draw attention before Prince Harry had publicly acknowledged his relationship with Meghan was the sensible thing to do.
Yes, although Harry had said Meghan was his girlfriend, he hadn't been seen in public with her (officially) and that's a milestone for the royals I think in their relationships so Catherine wouldn't have stepped in ahead of that.
  #1938  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:38 PM
duchessrachel's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Birmingham, United States
Posts: 1,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kataryn View Post
It's the same here in Germany. When you need to use the loo, you look around and you see the nods from the others and then we just get up and go. To the grins of our hubbies.
And as a result the lines to the women's bathroom are a mile long and there is no line at the men's. Have you ever noticed that? I often wish we didn't go to the bathroom in packs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee-Z View Post
You know what? If H&M get offended by a) not getting a shopping invite and b) not having the photo on the dresser when granny is on tv
and they don't see the invites and perks they *did* get from the BRF (invited on an official representation with the queen etc)

then it's all the more better for everyone that they stepped away from royal life
Exactly. She appointed them President and Vice President of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust. That was such a huge honor and indication of how much she trusted them. And they have just thrown it back in her face.
  #1939  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:40 PM
Helen.CH's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Chambery, France
Posts: 302
"part of Scobie doesn't want to know"(what the couple thinks about the book)
-guess why LOL.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...rry-interview/
  #1940  
Old 08-16-2020, 02:47 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Woodbury, United States
Posts: 2,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerry View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/o...sultPosition=1

This is the article from the New York Times. Perhaps I should have placed it in the 'Finding Freedom' thread as the article is meant as a reaction to the book. Reading through the reactions on this thread to just one sentence in the article about the Duchess of Cambridge not offering to share a trip to a particular shopping street, it seems to me that the cultural differences between Americans and the British are indeed amplified by a lack of empathy and a dearth of kindness. Perhaps as a subject for discussion: the article's author claims that the Duchess of Sussex is a perfectionist and that her failure at being a member of the British Royal Family is extremely hurtful. Another interesting insight from the article: Prince Harry, as a member of the Royal Family, confused "sacrifice with service"; his duchess confused it with fame. Upthread, I compared the marriage of Harry and his Meghan to the romance between Carla Bruni and Nicolas Sarkozy: the aging starlet marries fame and fortune. I wonder how other members of TRF think of this idea.
I took a quick look at the article - written by a British journalist- and clicked off of it right away; itís obvious sheís a Republican and I have no time for her nastiness towards the BRF. Like I said earlier, the Times has sucked lately - this isnít the first, nor will it be the last, article of its kind.

What exactly do you mean by this?

it seems to me that the cultural differences between Americans and the British are indeed amplified by a lack of empathy and a dearth of kindness.
__________________

Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Popular Tags
american archie mountbatten-windsor asia asian baby names biography birth britain britannia british royal family buckingham palace camilla camilla parker-bowles camilla parker bowles china china chinese ming dynasty asia asian emperor royalty qing clarence house colorblindness coronation daisy doge of venice dresses duchess of sussex duke of cambridge duke of sussex edward vii family life family tree gemstones george vi gradenigo hello! henry viii hereditary grand duchess stťphanie hereditary grand duke guillaume highgrove history hochberg hypothetical monarchs japan jewellery kensington palace książ castle list of rulers medical meghan markle monarchy mongolia mountbatten names nara period plantinum jubilee pless politics portugal prince charles of luxembourg prince harry princess eugenie queen louise royalty of taiwan solomon j solomon spanish royal family speech sussex suthida taiwan thai royal family united states united states of america wales


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:20 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises
×