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Old 08-16-2020, 07:09 AM
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what's ELF?
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:17 AM
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what's ELF?
Edward Lane Fox. He appears to be a master of PR, since he did great job of masking/redirecting Harry's controversies and personality "issues".

FF makes it sound like Meghan didn't trust him. So reading between the lines he was shown the door, then the Sussexes focused on a more Hollywood PR approach.

I'd like to think if ELF ever crossed paths with M&H, he'd do a Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, "Big Mistake! Big! Huge!" before strutting away from them.
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:49 AM
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I think ELF was good at his job and played on the things Harry liked, e.g. the military and helped channel all his energy into that area,for example setting up Invictus Games. I think his way of managing Harry was to keep him busy doing things he liked and super managing "the outside noise. Its also indisputably a fact that the British press will 'overlook' some behaviour, stories etc for people who are popular in a way they won't once that person has fallen a bit.
One thing that surprises me is there is little talk of Samantha Cohen in the book - anything written about her is positive but fleeting. But the book never makes a big deal of the fact she was HM's former Assistant Private Secretary so by having her in place they did have someone overly experienced in how the RoyalHousehold works and someone who would have had a natural "in" with the Queen's current Private Secretary and other senior aides. Don't get me wrong, H&M's staff are praised in the book they are made out as if they are the 'naive new young staff' yet at the head for the majority of the time was someone who had been with the Royal Household for 18 years. Again, its another reason I can believe any idea they weren't supported through Royal life, they had one of HM's top aides, so if they listened to her they were getting top advice.

Interestingly they also brought Samantha back after she left to help with 'Megxit' and the quotes around at the time she came back to advise show how well respected she was (and bringing someone back to help at a difficult moment suggests you respect them and thing they can help)

Last night a royal insider revealed: “It was a no brainer for Harry to bring back Samantha. They have a close working relationship and he knows how much the Queen respects her.”

The source added: “Fiona is brilliant but Samantha knows the nuances of the Royal Family in a way few do.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/107749...-cohen-megxit/
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:16 AM
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You know what? If H&M get offended by a) not getting a shopping invite and b) not having the photo on the dresser when granny is on tv
and they don't see the invites and perks they *did* get from the BRF (invited on an official representation with the queen etc)

then it's all the more better for everyone that they stepped away from royal life
Yup. Harry and Meghan get triggered by everything....they take offense to everything, take everything personally. Kate wanted to go shopping by herself. It’s not off putting, it’s not weird, it’s not anything. Let’s say it was another activity that M also liked - same thing applies. Kate apparently is quiet - she probably enjoys time by herself. She doesn’t ever need to justify that to anyone - and as I am the same way, I completely understand. M making a big thing about speaks volumes about her.

The photo thing is ridiculous.

I think you make a good point. I think H and M are paranoid. If someone says “No” to them, they think they’ve been stabbed in the back. If someone doesn’t invite them shopping, it’s because they must not like them. If HM doesn’t include photos of them for Christmas, it’s because they aren’t valued. They are paranoid...and they have at massive egos. The BRF is better off without them as working Royals - now they don’t have to spend every waking moment walking on eggshells around them.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:20 AM
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I think that their political views are pretty evident and that will make it difficult for them to ever be working royals again. Royals are supposed keep their politics to themselves and everyone knows how these two people feel, so that is also polarising.



I agree 100%, especially now that Meghan is getting involved in "Get out the Vote" campaigns and hinting at a more active involvement in the 2020 US presidential campaign. I don't see how she can be a working royal again after not only having expressed political opinions (which is not such a problem BTW if generically stated), but, more significantly, taking now more openly partisan positions.



As I said before, that makes me think it is good that she left. Doing it as a self-exiled royal in California is one thing, but, if she started doing things like that in the UK had she stayed (and I now believe she actually migh have), then she would possibly have triggered a constitutional crisis.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:27 AM
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Could it not just have been that Kate didn't know Meghan wanted to go shopping? I run into friends everywhere and don't say "oh god I'm so upset you didn't invite me". I've not see it suggested anywhere that Kate said no to being asked to go with Meghan, simply that the two happened to be on the same street at the same time so somehow Kate is meant to be physic and know Meghan wanted to go shopping at that time also. I would also think it likely given H&M's appeals for privacy from the very early days of their relationship even if Kate had known Meghan wanted to go shopping at same time she probably thought she wouldn't want to be papped with Kate and cause a stir.

That said, if I'm out shopping for something particular I wouldn't take anyone with me.

They do seem a couple who take offence at not all that much, I'm not sure any family would be welcoming enough for either of them.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:31 AM
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I donít know about that, they have not stayed in business this long for being bad at PR game.
I think it is a combination of: the fact the couple are not 100% Hollywood but are still seen as members of the royal family, and people perception of them is of that.
The way they left, the rumors about their behavior.
this terrible book.
Meghan speeches and the ďwoe is usĒ narrative
The ďnothing to see here, move alongĒ attitude of the Cambridgeís.

And the fact that, and forgive my language, you canít spin a dump into gold.

If I were SS I may take them on for the challenge.
Honestly, harking to a previous comment, they need ELF to come and fix them!!
I didnít say they were bad at their job in general, though - just that theyíve done a bad job with Harry and Meghan ...big difference. Now maybe H and M arenít listening, but all I know is that itís one misstep after another, from the January statement onward. PR is supposed to do you good, but from where I sit, almost everything the Sussexes do has tarnished their image and damaged their popularity.

Who is ELF?
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:36 AM
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Edward Lane Fox, Harry's former Private Secretary
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Old 08-16-2020, 09:18 AM
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Edward Lane Fox, Harry's former Private Secretary
He is on the invictus board or was.
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Old 08-16-2020, 09:20 AM
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I’m not sure what article you’re referring to, but lately The NY Times has sucked. When Harry and Meghan left, they published an editorial lambasting the BRF and kissing H and M’s rear ends.

In no way is it weird for people to go shopping in the same place and not to go together...people are allowed to want to do things on their own, and they don’t need reasons to do so - simply wanting to be by yourself is enough.
I wasn't referring to any article... I was just responding to a post about the 'shopping issue' that seems to have been reported in multiple outlets.

I agree with the many posters that it another example of Meghan needlessly taking offense of something very minor. She may have been slightly disappointed (it would have been nice to do so together - maybe another time) but any other reaction is overblown - and says much more about Meghan than about Catherine.
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Old 08-16-2020, 09:25 AM
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I didn’t say they were bad at their job in general, though - just that they’ve done a bad job with Harry and Meghan ...big difference. Now maybe H and M aren’t listening, but all I know is that it’s one misstep after another, from the January statement onward. PR is supposed to do you good, but from where I sit, almost everything the Sussexes do has tarnished their image and damaged their popularity.

Who is ELF?
Here is some info on ELF when he was appointed Prince Harry's Private Secretary in 2013.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-hand-man.html






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Edward Lane Fox was a captain in the Household Cavalry and met the Prince on military duties before working for RLM Finsbury, a financial communications firm, as a senior associate.

Mr Lane Fox will take up his position in June, shortly after the 28-year-old Prince returns from a US tour which is seen as crucial to repairing his reputation after he was photographed naked in Las Vegas.

The Prince was involved in the interview process for the appointment, which completes a staff reshuffle that underlines his growing public duties and those of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

Mr Lane Fox, who is believed to be in his mid-30s, joined the Blues and Royals in 2000 and served in Bosnia and Iraq. He left with the rank of captain in 2006, the year the princes joined the regiment, and became a freelance photographer and journalist before joining Finsbury.

A spokesman for St James’s Palace said Mr Lane Fox and Prince Harry had met on occasion and had both been involved with the Burnaby Blue Foundation, a charity which has worked in Lesotho with the Prince’s charity, Sentebale.
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Old 08-16-2020, 09:30 AM
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I agree 100%, especially now that Meghan is getting involved in "Get out the Vote" campaigns and hinting at a more active involvement in the 2020 US presidential campaign. I don't see how she can be a working royal again after not only having expressed political opinions (which is not such a problem BTW if generically stated), but, more significantly, taking now more openly partisan positions.



As I said before, that makes me think it is good that she left. Doing it as a self-exiled royal in California is one thing, but, if she started doing things like that in the UK had she stayed (and I now believe she actually migh have), then she would possibly have triggered a constitutional crisis.
Well it would have certainly given the republican movement a boost that's for certain.

Her politics are of no concern to me but the use of her title in her new life is. Maybe the pair of them might consider not using them? Make a formal declaration or some such.
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Old 08-16-2020, 10:09 AM
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At the time there was nothing official for Harry and Meghan. If they had been papped together (Kate and Meghan) it would have started a lot of unwanted comments.


This is a good point. Some of the quotes from the NYT article donít make it completely clear when things happened. I donít generally go clothes shopping with others, but I know others look at doing so as a social activity.

If I were Meghan, I could set being puzzled at some of the small slights (ignored requests for a pre-wedding tiara rehearsal) some of which may simply be cultural differences.
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Old 08-16-2020, 10:11 AM
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Well it would have certainly given the republican movement a boost that's for certain.

Her politics are of no concern to me but the use of her title in her new life is. Maybe the pair of them might consider not using them? Make a formal declaration or some such.
But they can't. THey want to build a business and philanthropic/business career which is based on the fact that the're formerly full time royals. How can they do all tht as the MOuntbatten Windsors?
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Old 08-16-2020, 10:25 AM
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They fought very publicly to be able to keep using those titles and complained that people like Bea, Eugenie, Edward, Prince Michael etc were all able to use HRH Prince/ss whilst having an outside job.

Although working for an art gallery or tech firm is very different from having Sussex Royal on everything as a brand name which I think is what the firm were worried about if Bea started the HRH Princess Beatrice Technology Consultancy she would probably be told to change it. Even Prince Michael might get into more difficulties with Cantium Services and his "business consulting" if he was any closer to the throne.

Nothing they've done suggests that they want to use "Mountbatten Windsor" to identify themselves.

Edward Lane Fox does seem to have done a good job in turning Harry's image around whilst he was there. It didn't take long at all to go from all the controversial and highly problematic stuff to "Harry was just young, he's grown - look at all the amazing things he's doing now!" Helped by a Cheeky Chappie and Harry the Fun Lad persona.
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Old 08-16-2020, 10:41 AM
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They fought very publicly to be able to keep using those titles and complained that people like Bea, Eugenie, Edward, Prince Michael etc were all able to use HRH Prince/ss whilst having an outside job.

Although working for an art gallery or tech firm is very different from having Sussex Royal on everything as a brand name which I think is what the firm were worried about if Bea started the HRH Princess Beatrice Technology Consultancy she would probably be told to change it. Even Prince Michael might get into more difficulties with Cantium Services and his "business consulting" if he was any closer to the throne.

Nothing they've done suggests that they want to use "Mountbatten Windsor" to identify themselves.

Edward Lane Fox does seem to have done a good job in turning Harry's image around whilst he was there. It didn't take long at all to go from all the controversial and highly problematic stuff to "Harry was just young, he's grown - look at all the amazing things he's doing now!" Helped by a Cheeky Chappie and Harry the Fun Lad persona.
Of course they fought to keep the titles and would probably want to keep the HRH...Harry and Meghan Windsor selling things or doing speeches would not get so much interest as HRH the Prince Harry dong these things or at least Meghan the Duchess of Sussex. Bea etc have gotten jobs based on their own skills, it didn't hurt that they had a title and were connected to the queen.. it probably helped ot get them jobs....
but it wasn't' what they were selling.. whereas the Sussexes are selling themselves as "rebel progressive royals." who gives speeches on progressive issues or sells a commercial brand.
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Old 08-16-2020, 11:22 AM
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I donít mean that Meghan should expect to go shopping with Kate, just that it might be off putting to have not been invited.
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It could have even been Miscommunication between the two ladies.
Okay, to give context for this (allegedly) shopping trip:
On Feb 18, 2017, Lainey, a gossip blogger, posted a blind as follow:
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Hereís a scenario to consider:

Letís say youíre dating a guy and youíre super into each other, and youíve been staying with him, and heís really serious about you, the most serious heís been about anyone. He lives in the same complex with someone heís very close to. And the person heís close to has a partner too. You and she donít know each other well. But since youíve been staying there, you run into each other one day. And you tell her youíre going shopping and where. She says sheís going shopping too and leaves in the car. You head out on foot. Turns out, she went shopping exactly where you went shopping. And she knew thatís where you were going. But she didnít offer you a ride.

Is that weird?

Maybe itís not that weird. But considering who they are, it IS super gossipy.
Link: https://www.laineygossip.com/Didnt-o...d-riddle/46293
Which means this shopping trip happened on/before Feb 17, 2017.

Now, according to Finding Freedom, Catherine and Meghan met the first time on Jan 10, 2017.
https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/r...-a4515011.html
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According to an extract from the upcoming Harry and Meghan biography Finding Freedom, she and Kate first met in January 2017. In the passage, published by the Daily Mail, it was reported: ďMeghan bought a present for the duchess, who had celebrated her birthday just a day earlier.Ē
(...)
IIRC, the Cambridges moved permanently to Kensington Palace in summer 2017. So (possibly) they mostly stayed in Anmer Hall. It's understandable if between January 2017 - February 2017, Catherine didn't see/meet Meghan that much.

Now, who is this Lainey? Allegedly, she's Meghan's friend, but in her recent post, she denied it.
https://www.laineygossip.com/putting...spective/66730
Here's the interesting part of this post:
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As for that blind riddle from 2017, well, in May of this year, so like just three months ago, Emily Andrews wrote a report for the Daily MailÖ THAT INCLUDES THE SAME STORY! You can read it here but just in case they decide to modify it, Iíve screencapped the section:
(...)
Let me just break that down for you, just so weíre clear: the Daily Mail says that my blind riddle from 2017, about how Kate Middleton didnít give Meghan Markle a ride even though they were going shopping to the same place, is evidence that Iím a source for Finding FreedomÖ even though their own reporter knew about the story!

Does the Daily Mail know what the Daily Mail publishes?

Needless to say, Iím not the only one who knew about that story. Emily Andrews knew. Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand knew. More than one royal reporter knew. This is a story that was known in the bubble of royal gossip, Iím just the one who wrote about it three years ago as a blind. And the lesson here is not that Iím the secret friend of Meghan Markle who is a secret source for Finding Freedom but that stories well known in the bubble of royal gossip get little public play when they donít fit the preferred narrative of the time.
(...)
Some points that came up in my mind:
-She didn't deny that she knew of the said shopping trip nor deny that it's a false story.
-No matter what her association with Meghan is/was, she posted the gossip in 2017, while Emily Andrew, Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand in 2020. Why she didn't think that they've been referring to her blind as "source" of that gossip?
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Old 08-16-2020, 11:52 AM
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Of course they fought to keep the titles and would probably want to keep the HRH...Harry and Meghan Windsor selling things or doing speeches would not get so much interest as HRH the Prince Harry dong these things or at least Meghan the Duchess of Sussex. Bea etc have gotten jobs based on their own skills, it didn't hurt that they had a title and were connected to the queen.. it probably helped ot get them jobs....
but it wasn't' what they were selling.. whereas the Sussexes are selling themselves as "rebel progressive royals." who gives speeches on progressive issues or sells a commercial brand.
Sorry to digress. Just on Bea and Eugenie's jobs. I have often wondered how Bea became a VP of Partnerships & Strategy of the company she works in. Only the most intelligent, or those that have spent years on the career ladder usually end up as VP's - I can only surmise it was her background that got her there, or her role is a pretty empty one, or she is super intelligent and I am mistaken!
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Old 08-16-2020, 11:57 AM
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Just on Bea and Eugenie's jobs. I have often wondered how Bea became a VP of Partnerships & Strategy of the company she works in. Only the most intelligent, or those that have spent years on the career ladder usually end up as VP's - I can only surmise it was her background that got her there, or her role is a pretty empty one, or she is super intelligent and I am mistaken!
I don't know as I haven't worked in big business but I don't think that it is necessarily that hard to rise to that particular rank in a company... It may be due to her being a princess.. but she and Eugenie are not setting up a hat business called HRH Hats...
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Old 08-16-2020, 12:02 PM
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I don't know as I haven't worked in big business but I don't think that it is necessarily that hard to rise to that particular rank in a company... It may be due to her being a princess.. but she and Eugenie are not setting up a hat business called HRH Hats...
Believe me it is hard! Unless we are talking about a small company. Anyway, absolutely - they are not trading on their titles. The Sussexes are looking to milk every last drop out of Harry's heritage. It is tawdry and unedifying.
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