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Old 08-13-2020, 08:46 AM
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1. If you google Town and Country Caroline Halleman jewelry vault

you'll get the excerpt from the book. (Sorry, I can't do screengrabs)

2. I don't get anyone's voice coming through - it's really bland, but, yes, as said, it's clearly more from Meghan's friends/colleagues than Harry's.

3. What really surprised me is Omid's seeming confirmation that the couple felt there was no place for them in the future Firm, with the Queen's photos really rankling. It seems obvious to me that they were always seen as an integral part of the business model, just that it wasn't a model they wanted to be part of.

4. Harry's fury over the pap photos at Inskip's wedding is absolutely understandable (see William's face when Kate's French photos came out while they were on tour.) I think maybe both men have inherited a little of George vi's famous "gnashes" when the Queen Mother had to calm him down.

5.The British tabloids are vile and so is social media but I've been wondering WHY they both continued to read the articles and comments. Their staff could have read and raised with them any real, unprejudiced criticism that needed to be addressed but Harry and Meghan must have seen on their engagements how popular they were and how much good they were doing, so couldn't that have been their morale booster that would have helped them ignore the Daily Fail and its ilk..

6. The book doesn't really ding Kate. It's snide about her lack of career but there's no real "hate Kate" references.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:02 AM
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Unfortunately my version doesn't have photos, I actually didn't know there was a version with photos, what a shame! Since I already paid for it, I'd at least get to look at the photos.

So, for Cambridge's home the description is pretty short.
KP:
AH:
And as far as the jewels, the tiara chosing moment is like two pages, so I can't copy everything, but here are some interesting fragments:
Thanks for sharing. Apart from anything else the prose sounds terrible!
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:40 AM
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Unfortunately my version doesn't have photos, I actually didn't know there was a version with photos, what a shame! Since I already paid for it, I'd at least get to look at the photos.

So, for Cambridge's home the description is pretty short.
KP:
AH:
And as far as the jewels, the tiara chosing moment is like two pages, so I can't copy everything, but here are some interesting fragments:
Thank you for sharing, Fem. Your quote more or less confirm that the snapshots and screenshots I've seen are not fake one.

I've read several comments about their 1st night nanny was fired on her 2nd night and something about Melissa Toubati. Do you mind to elaborate its context? I mean, this book is supposed to be pro-Sussexes but this bits kind of confirm the "Duchess Difficult" narative ... I'm rather confused.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:59 AM
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Thank you for sharing, Fem. Your quote more or less confirm that the snapshots and screenshots I've seen are not fake one.

I've read several comments about their 1st night nanny was fired on her 2nd night and something about Melissa Toubati. Do you mind to elaborate its context? I mean, this book is supposed to be pro-Sussexes but this bits kind of confirm the "Duchess Difficult" narative ... I'm rather confused.
Sure, let's find it.

About the nanny - nothing is really said about it other than it was a night nurse who was supposed to help in establishing a routine for Archie, but they fired her in the middle of the second night for "being unprofessional and irresponsible". They hired someone else, who was completely fine, but then fired that person too, because they didn't feel comfortable because of the unknown incident with the first one. On a personal note, that's awful for the second person, who got fired because of someone else's mistake that she had absolutely nothing to do with...

As far as Melissa, Meghan was hurt by the tabloid speculations about being difficult and demanding, about the name-calling. According to the book, the Sussexes weren't satisfied with Melissa's work and her departure was fine with them, but Meghan suspected that Melissa's good friends from KP are behind the nasty tabloid rumors and were "more interested in protecting one of their own than her". It also states that the Sussexes were concerned why the Palace isn't doing anything about the stories from that time.

So, uhm, as in the whole damn book, nothing else matters than the Sussexes and their sensitive feelings.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:22 AM
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Its interesting because Melissa leaving was if I recall it right, the catalyst for many of the "Duchess difficult" stories and it being why a number of staff left.

I wonder why they were so unhappy with her work and if so why they publicly released such a praising statement about her and her work.

Is that the feeling you get from the book Fem, "nothing else matters than the Sussexes and their sensitive feelings"? Thats the impression I got from the exerts but wondered if that was just the media stiring trouble and the rest of the book put it into context and made it seem less so, maybe not it seems.

There just seem to be so many examples of them putting themselves first before others and speaking publicly (whether to the authors of the book or the many sources who spoke to the authors) about others in a way they wouldn't like being done about themselves.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:49 AM
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Is that the feeling you get from the book Fem, "nothing else matters than the Sussexes and their sensitive feelings"? Thats the impression I got from the exerts but wondered if that was just the media stiring trouble and the rest of the book put it into context and made it seem less so, maybe not it seems.

There just seem to be so many examples of them putting themselves first before others and speaking publicly (whether to the authors of the book or the many sources who spoke to the authors) about others in a way they wouldn't like being done about themselves.
Yes, these are my personal feelings about the book. I chose not to read the articles in the media, as I didn't want them to influence my opinion, so I'm not sure what was written about it. I'm gonna read some when (if) I find time.

There's just so many times when both of them, or one of them, feels wronged by other people, media or the universe. Catherine wasn't enthusiastic enough = hurt Meghan, William (and Skippy) questioned the crazy pace of their relationship = hurt Harry, Angela Kelly wasn't available when Meghan wanted = courtiers are at fault, Catherine sent Meghan flowers for her birthday = hurt Meghan, because she wasn't asked how she feels, there's no picture of them during christmas speech = hurt Harry. And I could do this all day.

I don't know if this is something the authors of the book did, because there's literally no other explanation of their actions, or if this is how the Sussexes feel, but every few pages there's something about how their sensitive, sensitive feelings were hurt and they weren't able to do anything about it and no one wanted to help them.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:52 AM
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Sure, let's find it.

About the nanny - nothing is really said about it other than it was a night nurse who was supposed to help in establishing a routine for Archie, but they fired her in the middle of the second night for "being unprofessional and irresponsible". They hired someone else, who was completely fine, but then fired that person too, because they didn't feel comfortable because of the unknown incident with the first one. On a personal note, that's awful for the second person, who got fired because of someone else's mistake that she had absolutely nothing to do with...

As far as Melissa, Meghan was hurt by the tabloid speculations about being difficult and demanding, about the name-calling. According to the book, the Sussexes weren't satisfied with Melissa's work and her departure was fine with them, but Meghan suspected that Melissa's good friends from KP are behind the nasty tabloid rumors and were "more interested in protecting one of their own than her". It also states that the Sussexes were concerned why the Palace isn't doing anything about the stories from that time.

So, uhm, as in the whole damn book, nothing else matters than the Sussexes and their sensitive feelings.
I see ... Thank you, Fem. And here I thought it was the usual "stan-war" where they nit-pick and put stuff out of context.

Wow, I guess there's someone who's more difficult than my former boss (with his calling/emailing/assigning task at odd hour like midnight or early morning). Even for the first nanny, it's still strange to fire her only after one night. I mean, there should be something like screening or interview before they hire her, right? Her credential should be known that's why she was hired (and after a fuss about not wanting "uniformed nanny"). In my experience, day 1 in any job is mostly about orientation or getting used with the environment and the job itself, and I think it also applies even for nanny or housekeeper job. I wonder what kind of "unprofessional" thing she did? Dropping Archie? Rummaging a drawer because she still didn't know where they put stuff and they misinterpret it as her try to steal or something?

Somehow I get the impression that they either are too paranoid (it's us against the world) or only want to be surrounded by yes-man as their staff.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:58 AM
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Am I the only one on the forum who has zero interest in this book? I was sorry to see Harry leave the RF, but I do think he will be back. Whether his wife is with him when he returns is yet to be determined.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:26 AM
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Re: the details of how the jewels are presented to the Queen in lace covered trays sewn by Queen Mary, I know for a fact that was in Angela Kelly's book "Dressing the Queen" so that's in the public domain. I think (memory not 100% on this one) the description of the well lit jewel vault was in that book too. I bought the book and now can't find it so I must have loaned it to someone but can't recall who (so annoying!).
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:43 AM
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Am I the only one on the forum who has zero interest in this book? I was sorry to see Harry leave the RF, but I do think he will be back. Whether his wife is with him when he returns is yet to be determined.
He might want to come back, but I think he's burnt his bridges now. I think people would have understood that he and Meghan were struggling to cope with royal life, if they'd just gone quietly and in a better organised way, but the way they did it was wrong from the start. There's a strong perception that they disrespected the Queen, expected everyone else to foot their security bills, and have moaned and whinged ever since.

I don't think Meghan will want to come back, so, if Harry does, a small child is going to be caught in a trans-Atlantic tug of war, which would be very sad.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:48 AM
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He might want to come back, but I think he's burnt his bridges now. I think people would have understood that he and Meghan were struggling to cope with royal life, if they'd just gone quietly and in a better organised way, but the way they did it was wrong from the start. There's a strong perception that they disrespected the Queen, expected everyone else to foot their security bills, and have moaned and whinged ever since.

I don't think Meghan will want to come back, so, if Harry does, a small child is going to be caught in a trans-Atlantic tug of war, which would be very sad.
Its hard to say. I think they are both hard necked enough to come back, if they don't make their money, and expect Dad to bail them out... Having said that, I think that maybe in a year or 2, Harry may regret leaving and want to come back to the UK genuinely, because he regrets leaving and misses his royal role..but Meg will be doing OK in the US and will be reluctant.. And yes, I suppose that will mean that Archie will be caught in the middle.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:49 AM
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When I read the shopping trip story I actually thought it was more to do with the fact that if Meghan and Harry were still below the radar going shopping with Kate would have drawn attention to the relationship, but who knows. Maybe that was the idea. Or maybe Kate just wanted a couple of hours to do her own thing.Nobody actually knows, the only person who is bothered is Meghan.
Whatever Kate’s reasons were, she was entitled to them (I’m not saying this to YOU)....and yet Meghan was bothered. It’s this kind of attitude that would have been making it hard for Kate, would in fact make it hard for anyone, to genuinely befriend Meghan.

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So I saw this been discussed in twitter which started somewhere in tumblr.
-That based on the book, Catherine and Meghan finally met in January 10, 2017.
-Then Lainey (blogger who was said to be "close" to Meghan) blind post about Catherine not offering Meghan a ride to go shopping was posted on February 17, 2017.

There are snapshot of the said page of the book and screenshot of the blog post circulating in IG as well.

I don't have the book, but if the said shopping trip is as referred in the second one ... can it be considered rude? I mean, it's only 1 month after first introduction.
No, it shouldn’t be considered rude at all.... but thin-skinned Meghan, who thinks the world revolves around her, thought it was

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So if this information was given to Lainey the blogger, it must have came directly or indirectly from Meghan. Only Meghan could have told someone how she felt about a situation.
Using media when it suits is a dangerous game to play, that is what surprises me about Harry he must know his mother played the media.
Does he? He was a boy...and what he remembers only is how the media killed his mum.

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Sure, let's find it.

About the nanny - nothing is really said about it other than it was a night nurse who was supposed to help in establishing a routine for Archie, but they fired her in the middle of the second night for "being unprofessional and irresponsible". They hired someone else, who was completely fine, but then fired that person too, because they didn't feel comfortable because of the unknown incident with the first one. On a personal note, that's awful for the second person, who got fired because of someone else's mistake that she had absolutely nothing to do with...

As far as Melissa, Meghan was hurt by the tabloid speculations about being difficult and demanding, about the name-calling. According to the book, the Sussexes weren't satisfied with Melissa's work and her departure was fine with them, but Meghan suspected that Melissa's good friends from KP are behind the nasty tabloid rumors and were "more interested in protecting one of their own than her". It also states that the Sussexes were concerned why the Palace isn't doing anything about the stories from that time.

So, uhm, as in the whole damn book, nothing else matters than the Sussexes and their sensitive feelings.
Who is Melissa Toubati?
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:58 AM
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He is not a boy now. If he is aware of the media's role in her death, he must also be aware of the Fayeds' role...and Diana's attempts to manipulate the media. Diana teased the press during her romance with Dodi, and they were all wired up and eager to get pictures of her...
and if he's so stressed by the media as he has claimed.. that every time he heard a camera, it took him back to his mother's death, that is very painful.... so why continue with a public role? Why not decide to lead completely private life, instead of moving to Paparazi city
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:59 AM
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The personal assistant who left, apparently after "Meghan left her in tears" and she couldn't cope with all the demands.
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:01 PM
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Yes, these are my personal feelings about the book. I chose not to read the articles in the media, as I didn't want them to influence my opinion, so I'm not sure what was written about it. I'm gonna read some when (if) I find time.

There's just so many times when both of them, or one of them, feels wronged by other people, media or the universe. Catherine wasn't enthusiastic enough = hurt Meghan, William (and Skippy) questioned the crazy pace of their relationship = hurt Harry, Angela Kelly wasn't available when Meghan wanted = courtiers are at fault, Catherine sent Meghan flowers for her birthday = hurt Meghan, because she wasn't asked how she feels, there's no picture of them during christmas speech = hurt Harry. And I could do this all day.


I don't know if this is something the authors of the book did, because there's literally no other explanation of their actions, or if this is how the Sussexes feel, but every few pages there's something about how their sensitive, sensitive feelings were hurt and they weren't able to do anything about it and no one wanted to help them.
None of this surprises me based on reports we’ve heard all along. I suspect it’s how the Sussexes feel, but that the authors deliberately played up because anyone reading the book would likely feel more sympathy to H and M if the general tone was “hurt” instead of “anger”.

Tommy, thanks !
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:12 PM
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To be honest, I was surprised at his choice for a wife but figured he is a grown man. Its a tough role to take on, regardless of your background, when you haven't been brought up to it. I know Meghan has some press savvy from her career as an actress, but I think you don't really "get" what a constricted goldfish bowl Royal life really is until you are dropped into it.

As for Harry, Hollywood must seem like an alien planet to him. This thing with Harry having an axe to grind with the media and blaming them for his mother's death. I get how traumatic it would have been for him as a child, but he's not a child any more is he. William has moved on, Harry should have by now as well. Perhaps he genuinely needs therapy and if so, I hope he gets it.

Having said that, I wish them well, [...]
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:28 PM
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I agree with you Merrie. The general consensus when they married was to wish them well and hope that the marriage worked out. The public had a soft spot and a protectiveness towards Harry, despite his foolish youth, especially seeing how hard he worked in the armed forces.
I know they say opposites attract but this was one couple that seemed very ill-matched and one can't help thinking now with how things are evolving that Meghan was in this with a view to playing the role of her life in some royal drama.
Let's see what the future holds.
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:35 PM
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A question for those who read the book:

Assuming H&M were more or less involved in this book and as such it's content, who is really talking?
Predominantly Meghan?
Harry?
Both?
None?

And who do you think was behind what in particular?
On other boards, people are saying that the prose in the book is very similar to the prose Meghan used on The Tig
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:48 PM
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according to a press article the german version of the book says at the end,
the authors did possibly talk to the couple themselves , possibly in the sense of "when necessary or for detailed information ". same in the english version?
thanks for posting.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:43 PM
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Okay - just a few things.
1. Archie mimicking the wildlife noises in Cape Town at the ambassador’s house. The ambassador lives in a very nice part of Cape Town but it is no where near wildlife - only thing anyone in South Africa thinks the kid could of heard was maybe a hadidar which a baby can’t replicate.
2. The place that Harry frequents in Botswana is well known in Southern Africa. It also has a well maintained and kept shower and toilet block - there was no need for Meghan to pee in the veld. Saying she did is making everyone who knows the place shake thier head. Also in most of these places you are told not to pee in the bush, large cats and elephants don’t like the smell. So South Africans who read this think it is a bunch of blooey.

That been said - 2 questions. Can the Mail in their defense call Omid and ask if Meghan’s friends spoke to him and if those friends had been given permission to do so by the Sussex’s. Also the extract of the letter to her father - can they say that Meghan gave him permission, even if the letter was now out in the public?
Oddly enough most of my friends where more intrigued about what wasn’t covered by the book . There was lots of glaring omissions apparently.
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