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Old 08-11-2020, 08:04 PM
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Thank you for sharing it Claire.



Sadly I have to agree with the last paragraph. The BRF have faced far worse situations and IMHO they will not release a public statement on Finding Freedom. However I don't believe that the Sussexes will be finding their freedom in the long run.
The reason this has been tough for HM and Charles is because it's so personal, but in terms of the affects this will have on them as Queen and heir, in terms of the affects it will have on the "Firm", the BRF, the Institution as a whole.......they're fine.

I couldn't agree more about Harry and Meghan being in a gilded cage. Whatever success they may have, however glamorous their lives, I can't help thinking that a part of Harry will always long for what he gave up (family, in a big way). They felt they could get the attention they craved by escaping to the US, but.....the Queen, PoW, the Cambridges will always be the ones the spotlight lands on; they will always be center stage. Whatever relevance H and M have, it's in relation to the BRF.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:05 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-impress.html

From the article:
Royal expert Penny Junor, author of Prince Harry: Brother, Soldier, Son, Husband, told MailOnline: ‘The authors certainly have some extraordinarily personal and private details about Harry and Meghan, but the couple have said they didn’t speak to them directly and we have to take their word for it.

What seems absolutely clear, however, is that they colluded. If not, they would have kicked up a huge fuss about this book. I suspect they wanted to get their story and their feelings about how they were treated out into the public arena and have done so via friends who sound as though they were very well and carefully briefed


Eskimo's thoughts:

The description of certain events in the this book are so detailed that they could not have come from anyone but them. Their choice is simple: they admit that they colluded on this book or SUE Scobie and Durand.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:06 PM
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Wait, what? This is the first I’ve heard of it...ewww!

Yet, the info in the second paragraph is even worse as it shows how self-centred and entitled they are
It's just that when they were in Botswana in their expensive glamping tent complete with en suite Meghan preferred to go and pee in the woods instead, leaving Harry (and now the rest of us!) mesmerised and awestruck of how down to earth and practical she was. Interspersed before and after with anecdotes about private jets, expensive brands, Hollywood and celebrity friends.

Also detail that like many others either has to be insane fanfiction or given to them by one of the Sussexes or a friend/staff member with permission. And again strange to include anyway in a book who's subjects guard their privacy so fiercely. Do they really want people to imagine Harry admiring how Meghan pees, even in a benign way?
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:15 PM
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Is that what the book says? They hate Meghan for being perfect? That reminds me of that old shampoo commercial: "don't hate me for being beautiful", lol.

I knew this book would be poorly written - the authors seem like hacks. Just the title makes me want to

Perhaps you can recycle the book....surely it's second life will be better than it's first!
Yes, exactly, here's the quote:
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Meghan’s willingness to help others and her drive to excel meant she often was deemed “fake” by classmates at school who felt it was impossible for anyone to be that “perfect.”
Unfortunately it's an ebook so I can't really recycle it or sell it or burn it to cleanse my mind, but since I paid for it, I'm gonna read it and enjoy it, even if only because it paints Sussexes in such a bad light. Omid is really not doing them any favours with this one...
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:17 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-impress.html

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Royal expert Penny Junor, author of Prince Harry: Brother, Soldier, Son, Husband, told MailOnline: ‘The authors certainly have some extraordinarily personal and private details about Harry and Meghan, but the couple have said they didn’t speak to them directly and we have to take their word for it.

What seems absolutely clear, however, is that they colluded. If not, they would have kicked up a huge fuss about this book. I suspect they wanted to get their story and their feelings about how they were treated out into the public arena and have done so via friends who sound as though they were very well and carefully briefed


Eskimo's thoughts:

The description of certain events in the this book are so detailed that they could not have come from anyone but them. Their choice is simple: they admit that they colluded on this book or SUE Scobie and Durand.

Yup, and I said this some time ago. PLUS, Omid would never risk his career to write this book, which will come and go and no one will ever really remember it. When I say "risk his career", I mean he would never give up the one thing that he believes makes him special: his access to H and M.

By the way......aside from the crappy writing, how purple is this prose ? Talking about how Meghan stretched her body? I don't know what a warrior pose is; did she hold a spear in one hand?

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‘Theirs was a love story that took hold in Africa – where now Meghan, on the last day of an incredible three-week stay, stretched her body into the perfect warrior pose. She quietly took in her surroundings from the grounds of their final home away from home on this trip, a modern villa in Livingstone, Zambia, just under ten miles upstream from Victoria Falls. The rising sun washed over her makeshift yoga garden, while an exotic flock of birds that looked as if they had just had their tails dipped in pots of colourful paints serenaded her.’
LOL below is like when you're interviewing for a job and, when the interviewer asks what your biggest fault is, you say something like "I'm too detail oriented", lol. I should know, I've said it before out of desperation.

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'Meghan’s willingness to help others and her drive to excel meant she often was deemed "fake" by classmates at school who felt it was impossible for anyone to be that "perfect".'
Harry was impressed with her packing skills?
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:22 PM
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It's just that when they were in Botswana in their expensive glamping tent complete with en suite Meghan preferred to go and pee in the woods instead, leaving Harry (and now the rest of us!) mesmerised and awestruck of how down to earth and practical she was. Interspersed before and after with anecdotes about private jets, expensive brands, Hollywood and celebrity friends.

Also detail that like many others either has to be insane fanfiction or given to them by one of the Sussexes or a friend/staff member with permission. And again strange to include anyway in a book who's subjects guard their privacy so fiercely. Do they really want people to imagine Harry admiring how Meghan pees, even in a benign way?
Um.....wow. I'm sorry, but it's really hard for women to pee in the woods, on the side of a road, etc.....It's just freaking uncomfortable unless you're naked and don't have to worry about soiling your clothes. I find it hard to believe that these two went out of their way to stay in a luxurious glamping tent, whose biggest feature probably IS the bathroom, only for Meghan to decide she loves getting back to nature in the most natural way. If it's true.......

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Yes, exactly, here's the quote:

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Meghan’s willingness to help others and her drive to excel meant she often was deemed “fake” by classmates at school who felt it was impossible for anyone to be that “perfect.”

Unfortunately it's an ebook so I can't really recycle it or sell it or burn it to cleanse my mind, but since I paid for it, I'm gonna read it and enjoy it, even if only because it paints Sussexes in such a bad light. Omid is really not doing them any favours with this one...
I commented on this in my previous posts.........as to the fact that it's an e-book, what a shame, lol. You'll never get this part of your life back, lol.

LOL Omid thinking this book flatters H and M proves he's as delusional as they are.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:23 PM
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Just found one Trevor related Meghan is a witch story - and this was last week

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...-down-22467441

It is a repeat of old stories, courtesy of ex friend Nikkai Priddy.
You said that this book brought up Trevor, and treated him negatively, because of tabloid stories that Meghan "dumped him for no reason." This story doesn't make that claim at all.

What it does say is that Meghan treated him very poorly at the end.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:37 PM
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Some more snippets that stood out for me -

* The Prince had a major emotional episode when attending the wedding in Jamaica after the couple were photographed embracing on their balcony. Ms Markle had never seen it this bad before. Usually she had been the only one who could calm him down, but this was another level.

* The couple hid out at the Mulroney house when news of their relationship came out.

* The Duchess had her mother Ms Ragland notify her father of Archie's birth, so he didn't hear about it from the media.

* Meghan's first husband attended the Oscars, but there was only the one ticket so she couldn't go.

* The Duchess took her son to baby classes while in the UK, and everyone there was wide-eyed, all the mothers and the two fathers. (Note the detail.)

* The Duchess would call prayer-circles together on the set of "Suits".


Such insights.

The details, the perspective, the name-dropping, the brand names, so much more than I ever expected when this book was first announced.

I will now be interested in seeing if the big court case is resolved, or if it will indeed go ahead.

I think the Duke and Duchess really want their "side" of things out there.

I won't be shocked if they go on to using the up-coming case as another avenue, much along the lines of the book. They didn't hold back here, so I can't now see them withdrawing the case.

Double-down, double-down.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:40 PM
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At the risk of repeating myself: This book could have been titled Meghan- Patron Saint of Perpetual Victimhood.

Seriously, it seems that the overarching theme of the book is Meghan good, Rest of the World bad.

This woman is a user who’ll throw anyone under the bus. I am sure Harry, Archie and any celebrity “friends” that don’t kiss her a## are next
BINGO

I imagine they are following the reviews and it wouldn’t surprise me if Mr. Scobie feels the wheels...
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Old 08-11-2020, 09:23 PM
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* Russian hackers stole a lot of private photos from their cloud account. Private wedding photos, including with the Queen, duds where they had their eyes half-closed.
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I wonder if that's where they got the pictures of her topless, bending over in white bikini bottoms on a beach. Reminded me of the pictures of Kate topless on her hotel balcony. Only Meghan's might have been taken before she married Harry.


I also wonder what the poor nanny did to get fired after two days.


I also have to agree with The Mail - these quotes are pretty cringe.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-impress.html
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Old 08-11-2020, 09:52 PM
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The reason this has been tough for HM and Charles is because it's so personal, but in terms of the affects this will have on them as Queen and heir, in terms of the affects it will have on the "Firm", the BRF, the Institution as a whole.......they're fine.

I couldn't agree more about Harry and Meghan being in a gilded cage. Whatever success they may have, however glamorous their lives, I can't help thinking that a part of Harry will always long for what he gave up (family, in a big way). They felt they could get the attention they craved by escaping to the US, but.....the Queen, PoW, the Cambridges will always be the ones the spotlight lands on; they will always be center stage. Whatever relevance H and M have, it's in relation to the BRF.
I really think the worst for Harry must have been the way his big function in the Army has been stripped.
As far as the book, is anyone remotely interested where she peed in Africa ?
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Old 08-11-2020, 09:54 PM
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I really don’t understand this _ yes this is for the American market but you really have to be pretty mindless to read this and continue her adoration.
That been said , confused by the editors here. Expected more from Harper Collins my have standards dropped. Yes I expected this from Omid but Carolyn is actually a good journalist. I really don’t get the purpose of this book.
I do worry if things don’t work out as planned as hoped_ then what. This is an example of digging a hole for yourself to get out of. I just hope that their talent matches their egos.
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Yes, exactly, here's the quote:

Unfortunately it's an ebook so I can't really recycle it or sell it or burn it to cleanse my mind, but since I paid for it, I'm gonna read it and enjoy it, even if only because it paints Sussexes in such a bad light. Omid is really not doing them any favours with this one...

You can return ebooks, at least on amazon for any kindle books- you usually have a week to return it. If not a kindle, check the return policy on the website you bought it from.
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:30 PM
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Some more snippets that stood out for me -

* The Prince had a major emotional episode when attending the wedding in Jamaica after the couple were photographed embracing on their balcony. Ms Markle had never seen it this bad before. Usually she had been the only one who could calm him down, but this was another level.

* The couple hid out at the Mulroney house when news of their relationship came out.

* The Duchess had her mother Ms Ragland notify her father of Archie's birth, so he didn't hear about it from the media.

* Meghan's first husband attended the Oscars, but there was only the one ticket so she couldn't go.

* The Queen pulled Meghan aside and reprimanded her for the way she spoke to staff when testing the dishes for the up-coming wedding.

The Duchess took her son to baby classes while in the UK, and everyone there was wide-eyed, all the mothers and the two fathers. (Note the detail.)

* The Duchess would call prayer-circles together on the set of "Suits".


Such insights.

The details, the perspective, the name-dropping, the brand names, so much more than I ever expected when this book was first announced.

I will now be interested in seeing if the big court case is resolved, or if it will indeed go ahead.

I think the Duke and Duchess really want their "side" of things out there.

I won't be shocked if they go on to using the up-coming case as another avenue, much along the lines of the book. They didn't hold back here, so I can't now see them withdrawing the case.

Double-down, double-down.
Camilla Tominey reported that there is a note in the book that does state that the authors "when appropriate" spoke to the Sussexes. Have you come across that blurb yet?
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:37 PM
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I would say that there is a gagging clause that they had to sign up to when they left. They can go political a bit if they want to but I'm sure they are debarred from talking about the RF...
I would say that Charles would be prepared still to give them the allowance that they had, ie around £2M, and if they cant manage on that, or earn more, I suppose they may have to come back.. I dot really think Ch will cut them loose but that's because H is his son.... and I suppose he can use giving them money (whether in the UK or US) to keep them under control. I think that Meg will moan a bit but she'll follow the money...
I think there are parallels with the Windsors indeed...and perhaps with the Yorks. Fergie too felt she couldn't abide by the rules of the RF and she left, believing she could get another rich husband.. but she couldn't. Meg has managed to leave but taking Harry with her.
I agree that perhaps Harry is in the same position as the DOW, that he's left his royal role which was all he knew for a life of exile.. He does seem dominated by Meghan and one wonders if he really wanted things to happen quite like this.. Or myabe he did but will he continue feeling like that for long?
If so, it looks like they broke that agreement with "Finding Freedom".
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:50 PM
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I really think the worst for Harry must have been the way his big function in the Army has been stripped.
As far as the book, is anyone remotely interested where she peed in Africa ?
Only the animals who think she’s marking her territory
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:52 PM
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Or he thinks that people don't like his idol. The idol he worships and (almost desperately?) clings on to. Meghan.
You try take the most precious idol a shaman has and ridicule it in front of him. Don't expect a positive response!

Perhaps I too have been entirely wrong about Harry?

I used to see Harry as a bloke. A guy you'd have fun with, share a beer with and dirty stories. And feel happy for when he finally settled down with someone he loved and hopefully had a family of his own.
I have known and know several "Harrys."
A guy with flaws, but also a good heart, a mate you could count on and relate to.

But he sure has changed! More than the "Harrys" I know.

So what is happening?

In no particular order, but just going through my mind:
A) He is having personal issues. And they have become more pronounced than beforehand where he was able to hide it from the public.
We may be seeing some kind of breakdown?

B) We are finally seeing the genuine Harry. The facade is down. This is his true self. A self previously only known to a very few. A very self-centered Harry.
And Meghan is somehow caught up in this whirlwind of events.

C) Harry has seen the light. The light here being Meghan, or perhaps rather an idol, who happens to be a human being named Meghan. Everything positive in this world is personified in Meghan, she is his anchor.
You cannot argue with someone who has seen the light. The world has become binary, it's 0 or 1.
Such an epiphany is not unusual.

D) Meghan is a very skilled and ruthless manipulator, who has managed somehow to manipulate Harry to do her bidding. He has become her slave and she has managed to separate Harry from family and friends in order to control him.

E) Two very self-centered individuals have met and they together have created a distorted view of themselves and the world around them, not to mention their own importance in this surreal world.
They fuel each other. And they cannot accept people who differ from or criticize what H&M are doing, because what they are doing is right and just.
They need people around them who can confirm their worldview and their importance.
This book was supposed to vindicate H&M and in rational eyes it's a PR-disaster!
But if you turn it around and look at the book through completely self-centered eyes, then it makes more sense. It makes perfect sense to cut off your brother and one of your very best friends for slighting you - surely everybody can see that?!?

F) Harry is right. William and Tom Inskip are racist/snobbish. The British press is most unreasonable and borderline racist. The British public (in particular) is wrong and petty.
H&M's requests were reasonable. Their visions and the ideas they wish to promote are right, important and worthy of a global audience.
H&M should not waste their lives, visions and voices on mere national issues, when there are much more important global issues to address.

G) Your suggestion.

- These are the - sad - possibilities that are in my mind at present.
I think it is a combination of D & E and also I will add a G. I don't think Harry has ever come to terms with the death of his mother. He pretty much said he had not when he mentioned thinking of her every time a camera clicks (if I am remembering that statement correctly). This is affecting every experience he has.
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:56 PM
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Of course can marry who he wants, I said time and time again in my post he should do so, this was about saying that some of the unhappiness they are experiencing could have been avoided in various ways.

I suspect there are very very few women the Queen would not have given her consent to (and those she wouldn't would have to be some sort of criminals or the like). This isn't about technicalities and legality but about them having a better life and things turning out better than they did. William asking his brother if he is sure and if he wouldn't be better to wait and give it more time is nothing to do with HM not giving consent, its a concerned man asking his brother to be 100% sure, that is what any family should or would do especially given the circumstances of a long distance relationship and marrying into the RF.

I'm not sure where "royal households giving orders to courtiers to leave negative stories to the press to force Meghan into line was a wrong call." comes from as I don't see any evidence of that.

I'm not going to argue and argue I jus think this jumping to the "legal options" and HM not giving consent is the sort of extreme attitude that has led H&M to the current sad situation we have seen. We don't have to jump to extremes, HM would be very unlikely not to give consent to the marriage, that doesn't mean the family may not be asking Harry to wait and see or slow things down. Remember even HM was asked to wait and see if Philip truly was the one, she did and he was.


Muhler - I agree, I think most people would want to be 100% sure they know how the "family business" they are marrying into works before committing. Given how prepared about many things Meghan seems to be, I'm quite surprised about her willingly jumping into the RF so quickly. I certainly think Harry influenced her views on it with his own negative thinking, probably heightened having seen W&K become the golden couple due to their path in live meaning they are future King & Queen.
I totally agree. I remember during William & Kate's engagement interview William commented on the reason it took so long for him to propose is that he wanted Kate to see what she was getting into and give her a chance to run if she wanted (not William's exact words, but that was the jist of it). I believe that is exactly what William was thinking when he encouraged Harry to wait and be sure.
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Old 08-11-2020, 11:47 PM
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Let me ask a question: is there anyone who has something positive to say about this book?
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Old 08-12-2020, 12:04 AM
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Let me ask a question: is there anyone who has something positive to say about this book?
You mean outside the usual suspects?
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Old 08-12-2020, 12:13 AM
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Let me ask a question: is there anyone who has something positive to say about this book?

Probably only their most ardent fans. Also, this book reads like a bad fanfiction.
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