Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of A Modern Royal Family

[Hallo girl]

Originally Posted by poppy7

Wouldn't know. But she may have just thought she could ask for it. Or didn't think.

I agree, I dont think there was any big plan to refuse Meghan, or that she was demanding. IMO the hairdresser or whoever needed to come over at a certain time and Meghan thought all she had to do was ask for the Tiara to be brought over, not appreciating it was not as straight forward as that.

[Jacknch]

A number of posts have been deleted which were off topic.

Recent discussion centres around the tiara Meghan chose for her wedding. However, this should NOT result in a broader discussion about her hairdresser, wedding dress or indeed the wedding dresses of other members of the royal family.

In order for ALL members to keep up to date with the various themes contained in the book, we MUST stay on topic. Thank you.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

If the Angela Kelly/tiara story is true, it's another example of what I referred to previously about Harry being the least qualified person to guide Meghan into her role. To be fair, reports of Charles flying into rages at staff are numerous so his own role-model hasn't been brilliant either. It's interesting though isn't it that it was Meghan who has been vilified in the global press for throwing a tantrum about not getting the tiara she wanted and being 'slapped down' by the Queen for it.

I think that ratehr than "What Meghan wants Meg gets" it would be more accurate to say that Harry and Meg both think that they should have whatever they want..... and get annoyed at any refusals.
And in some ways H is more to blame, because he is a royal and should know the restrictions of the role.. whereas there's some excuse for Meg not knowing them. I dont know if He is so attached to Meg that he is sometimes afraid to put her straight on things, because he is so happy that she has married him.. and does not want to lose her...or whether he honestly doesn't know that the job comes with restrictions and rules..
Im very confused about them, as they are so volatile.. I dont know if the decision to leave was a really long standing plan.. maybe thought up by both of them at the time of marriage ro soon after.. Maybe he said to her "OK, this job will have restrictions but we can get out of it in a few years"...
OR maybe she got angry and upset soon after her marriage and wanted out so he was willing to go along with it..

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Denville

yes taht's waht I said, staff or friends....

And family on the inside...


LaRae

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Unless the "friend" was actually named, the statement remains as questionable and not credible information. Did someone actually *see* Harry go ballistic or did the story grow from a whispered game of telephone?



Y'know, I've never bought into the statement "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" in the context that its been portrayed since someone reported Harry to have said that. How I interpreted it is that, like many bridegrooms- to-be, he just wanted Meghan to have the wedding details to be as what would make her happy. If Meghan had wanted a Betazoid wedding, Harry would probably have complied but I do think that both of them would have gotten a lot of flak for it especially as the wedding was going to be televised.

Do you think too many readers are actually Treckies or have an ide3a what is so special on a Betazoid wedding???

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Pranter

And family on the inside...


LaRae

I'm not sure why family would talk to a reporter when they very rarely do...As I've said, i think that if approached by Omid, the staff might feel that Meg and H would want them to speak and put forward a favourable view of the couple.. and friends might do the same.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

Do you think too many readers are actually Treckies or have an ide3a what is so special on a Betazoid wedding???

I am not really a Trekkie, but I know about Betazed weddings. I understand ST is not such a part of popular culture in Europe as it is in America. Should the OP have used a Dr Who reference instead?

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I am not really a Trekkie, but I know about Betazed weddings. I understand ST is not such a part of popular culture in Europe as it is in America. Should the OP have used a Dr Who reference instead?

Just was using an example of a really far out in left galaxy wedding idea that Harry may have gone along with to please Meghan but the rest of us would be wondering if they both should be suited up in pristine white jackets with shiny buckles.

I took Kataryn's post to indicate she knew exactly what I was talking about hence the

BTW: Us Americans also have different meanings for words spelled differently. Naked means you don't have clothes on. Nekkid means you're up to something.

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

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The shocking bit (if true) is the total lack of planning/communication over when the tiara would be available and for that, nobody should blame a woman who wouldn't have a clue about protocol over keys to royal jewellery. It's Harry's fault for assuming he could just get them unlocked when it suited him and that's probably why he was so enraged because his error was exposed in front of Meghan.

I distinctly remember reading that Kate and her hairdressing team used a toy tiara to practice with in the runup to the wedding...why was Serge Norment unwilling to consider this?

Were they unable to locate a "tinsel tiara" or was there something about the hairstyle itself that necessitated having the real one handy?

In any case IF this story is authentic, it reflects badly on Harry and not Meghan. How was she to know/understand the protocol of obtaining access to Royal tiaras? Even before he met Meghan I have always gotten the whiff of a truculent, cosseted, not overly bright brat from Harry. I am glad to hear that the queen is not shy about putting him in his place.

This is purely Harry's faux faux pas. Not Meghan's.

[Duchess_Watcher]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Yes and you are choosing to think he is lying based on no evidence or anything to support it.


LaRae

Sorry but he's a good friend of Meghan. How in the heck would anyone know this much private information? Two answers

1. They leaked it to him and he covered for them
2. They leaked it to a friend or Doria and she leaked it to Omid

Either way if they claim they want freedom/privacy, they leaked private information behind the castle/palace grounds and it's attempting to hurt the reputation of William, Kate and the Royal Family. Who else would know that information???

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

To clarify, I am convinced they collaborated. However, people sometimes forget that Charles openly worked with the Dimbleby book, which was critical of the queen and Prince Philip. It took a few years but the relationship has recovered. Harry and Meghan's intent may have been to gain an advantage over other family members but the revelations are pretty mild. If the nastiest thing he can say about Kate is that she didn't take Meghan shopping - she must be a saint.

But the book implies racism towards the Royal family. That one quote is quite damning and it seems Harry/Meghan are upset so they want to harm Kate & William. The comment where Harry claims "William is a snob" for telling his brother not to rush into a marriage um it's likely because he saw they were moving fast and he/Kate have 10 years of history before getting married. Then they complained they didn't get the best royal events umm okay you're sixth in line Harry. You're behind the Queen, Charles, Camila Kate and William. Heck he's now even further down because of William's kids. I will say Meghan was jealous of Kate and she didn't like the how the RF works and she hated standing behind Kate. There's a lot of photos of her unhappy.

I think the book burns all bridges. The Sussex title will be removed, heck they may not ever go back to London and just imagine when William takes the throne later in life. I feel bad for Archie. He's growing up without his cousins and the other half of his family. He'll be wondering why his cousins are Prince, Princesses and he's not, and he won't have any relationship with them.

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[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Watcher

I think the book burns all bridges. The Sussex title will be removed, heck they may not ever go back to London and just imagine when William takes the throne later in life. I feel bad for Archie. He's growing up without his cousins and the other half of his family. He'll be wondering why his cousins are Prince, Princesses and he's not, and he won't have any relationship with them.

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This has been discussed before, but the Sussex title cannot be removed other than by an act of Parliament. I doubt the British government would sponsor a bill to do it.

Harry's title of Prince and the style of HRH can be removed, but I don't think the Queen would do it. I am afraid Archie won't be a prince though when Charles is King, but that is not entirely new as there is already a precedent with James Severn and Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor.


Archie will probably be a duke one day, but the title won't be of much use to him if he grows up and lives in America, which is pretty much a given IMHO.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Watcher

But the book implies racism towards the Royal family. That one quote is quite damning and it seems Harry/Meghan are upset so they want to harm Kate & William. The comment where Harry claims "William is a snob" for telling his brother not to rush into a marriage um it's likely because he saw they were moving fast and he/Kate have 10 years of history before getting married. Then they complained they didn't get the best royal events umm okay you're sixth in line Harry. You're behind the Queen, Charles, Camila Kate and William. Heck he's now even further down because of William's kids. I will say Meghan was jealous of Kate and she didn't like the how the RF works and she hated standing behind Kate. There's a lot of photos of her unhappy.

I think the book burns all bridges. The Sussex title will be removed, heck they may not ever go back to London and just imagine when William takes the throne later in life. I feel bad for Archie. He's growing up without his cousins and the other half of his family. He'll be wondering why his cousins are Prince, Princesses and he's not, and he won't have any relationship with them.

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Its most unlikely that the "Sussex title" will be removed. That has to be done by Parliament and they have other concerns right now. And the queen has not removed Andrews HRH SO its unlikely that she would remove Harry's..
As for Meghan, I cant say I've seen her looking unhappy though I think she was... A lot of the times when H is looking cross or depressed Meg is smiling away gamely...

[Heavs]

If at all true the latest bit about the tiara reflects badly on both of them though obviously much worse on Harry on all fronts, especially being nasty to a woman who isn't even his member of staff and has 1001 and one things to oversee. However it also it says "Meghan demanded access to the tiara" which isn't great if it isn't yours to begin with. It appears to be a sequel to the original "choosing the tiara" uproar which is talked about in the book and also Dan Wooten is standing by his version of events for whatever it's worth.

They won't have their titles removed, though they might get reminded from time to time about using them in commercial contexts. It seems that the BRF isn't exactly happy with the book as this is not the first piece firing back a bit, but we have no way of really knowing how they feel. This isn't the first attempted hit piece or very slanted POV and won't be the last.

[Duchess_Watcher]

If the Queen wants it removed, she will get it removed and the Parliament will follow. The difference between Prince Andrew is that he isn't attacking the other members of his family as they are. The book clearly comes from them or someone they told this information to and it's attempting to harm the future King/Queen.

Anyhow, couldn't they lose their titles in America?

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[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Watcher

If the Queen wants it removed, she will get it removed and the Parliament will follow. The difference between Prince Andrew is that he isn't attacking the other members of his family as they are. The book clearly comes from them or someone they told this information to and it's attempting to harm the future King/Queen.

Anyhow, couldn't they lose their titles in America?

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Their titles will *not* be removed. Can I make a suggestion? There's a good thread here that goes into details how titles and styles work in the UK. It can be found here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...itles-258.html

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Watcher

If the Queen wants it removed, she will get it removed and the Parliament will follow. The difference between Prince Andrew is that he isn't attacking the other members of his family as they are. The book clearly comes from them or someone they told this information to and it's attempting to harm the future King/Queen.

Anyhow, couldn't they lose their titles in America?

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The queen is not going to interfere in Parliament at any time.. esp now with crises all over the world. Eugenie and Bea's husbands are not going to be given titles and its unlikely that they will be doing any royal work...
And as for "Losing their titles in America" no, America has no power to remove titles.
Possibly that was Meg's intention.. but she's in essence left the RF now.. and she's unlikely to return to UK or royal work.

[Duchess_Watcher]

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I do think it was Meghan's goal to always leave the UK. Even before she was married to Harry they had to make a statement. She wanted the title, fame, Prince but not the royal part and she's partly been given her way.

One of the comments in the book is about her and Kate being on "Equal footing" or something so she thought they would have bonded more. They really aren't on equal footing minus the same title, Kate will one day be a Princess and future Queen.

I am shocked how little regard Harry has for the monarchy he was raised in. He seemed bitter that his brother had better events. Like he should have known William would be King. I wonder if Meghan has been egging him on that he is a lesser.

[Osipi]

Catherine is already a princess of the UK. Princess William.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Catherine is already a princess of the UK. Princess William.

Both of them are Princesses of the UK by marriage...

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Duchess_Watcher

One of the comments in the book is about her and Kate being on "Equal footing" or something so she thought they would have bonded more. They really aren't on equal footing minus the same title, Kate will one day be a Princess and future Queen.

I am shocked how little regard Harry has for the monarchy he was raised in. He seemed bitter that his brother had better events. Like he should have known William would be King. I wonder if Meghan has been egging him on that he is a lesser.

so why regret that they've left? IMO they didn't have potential.. because I felt that Meg (even if we allow her the best of intentions) didn't really understand the RF or the UK.. and might find it too hard to adjust.. and I feel that probably I was right. either she never intended to stay.. or she did intend to at least stay part time but found the UK so uncongenial that she couldn't stick it out.. and IM not too sure that Harry really had potential either.. He has akind heart but IMO he seems not to understand the RF much better than MEg does......