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Old 07-27-2020, 02:30 PM
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While the other books, by Lady Colin Campbell, Royals at War etc came out in attack mode and in some portions demeaned, made fun of and insulted Harry and Meghan. Is that better? This is one book, one, among the three others who came out in the last month that has something good and kind to say about the Sussexes, and tries to show things that went on from their perspective. Does every publication/book have to be anti Harry and Meghan to be regarded as truthful and honest and to gain approval?
That is what makes me laugh about all of this. There have been 523535 books out about Harry and Meghan. Most of them negative. Have they sued? Nope. Have they commented? Nope. They not doing it with this one either. Yet those books were just fine to people. But this one isn't a 100% slam piece and it has everyone losing their minds. Yet I suspect if this was another book attacking them they would be praised.

Anyways... nothing in this book is really knew. I mean even the "Harry and the Queen had lunch" was mentioned when it happened. I recall even some papers had 'exclusives" on the meal at the time. I mean really if you have time and really looked though the MANY articles written about Harry and Meghan, you will likely find 90% of this book was already written twice over.

These writers just spun things in a different way.

And there is more from the book that most probably already knew...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...box=1595867347

Harry apparently didn't want the year end review. Had to be talked into it.
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:32 PM
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While the other books, by Lady Colin Campbell, Royals at War etc came out in attack mode and in some portions demeaned, made fun of and insulted Harry and Meghan. Is that better? This is one book, one, among the three others who came out in the last month that has something good and kind to say about the Sussexes, and tries to show things that went on from their perspective. Does every publication/book have to be anti Harry and Meghan to be regarded as truthful and honest and to gain approval?
I have no idea about Lady Colin's book but the other one is not negative about them. As far as I know and can tell, it just pointed out some self evident truths. She is culturally different and no one adapted. Thing is, it was for her to adapt if she was going to make it work.

This book isn't that positive about them to be honest. It kind of says th4 same things but remembers to mention how they got no help...every 5 minutes. So basically all those stories are true but the context is: Nobody helped us.

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That is what makes me laugh about all of this. There have been 523535 books out about Harry and Meghan. Most of them negative. Have they sued? Nope. Have they commented? Nope. They not doing it with this one either. Yet those books were just fine to people. But this one isn't a 100% slam piece and it has everyone losing their minds. Yet I suspect if this was another book attacking them they would be praised.

Anyways... nothing in this book is really knew. I mean even the "Harry and the Queen had lunch" was mentioned when it happened. I recall even some papers had 'exclusives" on the meal at the time. I mean really if you have time and really looked though the MANY articles written about Harry and Meghan, you will likely find 90% of this book was already written twice over.

These writers just spun things in a different way.

And there is more from the book that most probably already knew...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...box=1595867347

Harry apparently didn't want the year end review. Had to be talked into it.
I would venture that everyone is talking about it because we expected to read how badly they have been treated, and low and behold therenis nothing really there. They are up in arms because they can't see the problem. The just keeps reminding people they had to cope alone, the others let their teams talk to them about work. I would warrant that is unhealthy divide though. William and Kate never visited them in Oxford (they had a small baby), and didn't invite them round theirs at Kensington (see baby comment and that inviting a couple around indifferent from your single brother who just hangs out). His father was busy. His grandmother was busy. They wanted more help. I get that. But they had staff to help and the family do not deal with the media and it turns out most of the stories were true anyway...the actually stories not the opinion pieces.
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:37 PM
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Where do we go from here?
Is there a reconciliation on the cards for all parties concerned?
Is there a Xmas invitation in the post; big hugs all round, the past is the past, time to move on?
Or
Do we have a Duke and Duchess of Windsor situation; where the rift was never healed; and the Duke came back in 1972, to be buried on English soil.
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:46 PM
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This is what baffles me. How does anyone think this book makes The Sussexís look good is beyond me! Omid must be such a fan boy, that his view has been distorted.
Perhaps when he is discarded he will have another story to tell...
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:58 PM
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Where do we go from here?
Is there a reconciliation on the cards for all parties concerned?
Is there a Xmas invitation in the post; big hugs all round, the past is the past, time to move on?
Or
Do we have a Duke and Duchess of Windsor situation; where the rift was never healed; and the Duke came back in 1972, to be buried on English soil.
Where they want it to go. I don't think all is well between the family and the Sussexes but I would bet money it isn't as dramatic as the press are hyping it to be. Let's not forget they need stories and they love playing things up to get papers sold, websites clicks, and viewed tuned in. That is the game they play.

A lot can happen by next March. I mean 2020 proves how quickly things can change. So who knows. Personally I think being apart will be good for all involved. By the time they return to the UK things might be calmer.

Or not. Time will tell.
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:59 PM
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Do we have a Duke and Duchess of Windsor situation; where the rift was never healed; and the Duke came back in 1972, to be buried on English soil.
I very much hope not. The events of the last few months have shown all of us how uncertain life can be. I hope that the Queen and Prince Philip both live for many years yet, but no-one lives for ever. The Queen was able to see her uncle during a visit to Paris not long before he died, and I bet she's always been grateful that she had that chance. Harry may end up with a lifetime of regret that he didn't try to heal the rift.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:00 PM
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That is what makes me laugh about all of this. There have been 523535 books out about Harry and Meghan. Most of them negative. Have they sued? Nope. Have they commented? Nope. They not doing it with this one either. Yet those books were just fine to people. But this one isn't a 100% slam piece and it has everyone losing their minds. Yet I suspect if this was another book attacking them they would be praised.

Anyways... nothing in this book is really knew. I mean even the "Harry and the Queen had lunch" was mentioned when it happened. I recall even some papers had 'exclusives" on the meal at the time. I mean really if you have time and really looked though the MANY articles written about Harry and Meghan, you will likely find 90% of this book was already written twice over.

These writers just spun things in a different way.

And there is more from the book that most probably already knew...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...box=1595867347

Harry apparently didn't want the year end review. Had to be talked into it.
More than demonstrates I think that the Queen and the royal family did try to work with the couple to find a compromise and solutions to their issues. The book more or less seems to imply that didn't happen.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:06 PM
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More than demonstrates I think that the Queen and the royal family did try to work with the couple to find a compromise and solutions to their issues. The book more or less seems to imply that didn't happen.
Not that I disagree that they didn't try to compromise but not sure how a year end review shows that. They are gone. It just isn't a clean break yet.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:12 PM
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Where do we go from here?
Is there a reconciliation on the cards for all parties concerned?
Is there a Xmas invitation in the post; big hugs all round, the past is the past, time to move on?
Or
Do we have a Duke and Duchess of Windsor situation; where the rift was never healed; and the Duke came back in 1972, to be buried on English soil.
Interesting questions.

I don't think the rift between Harry and his family will be so big, they won't welcome him back. There will be some wounds to heal, but that I think will not be a big hindrance.
After all Harry wasn't a potential national security risk, not does he harbor questionable political views.
Harry will especially be welcomed back by the family should he divorce. Naturally.
Should he and Meghan decide to return, she will as his wife also be welcomed or at least accepted back. (Because it's impossible to gauge the BRF members feelings for Meghan at present. We simply don't know.)

But will Harry again have a public role? Or will he be put on grass?
I think he will, at least initially, be given some obscure charity he can focus on, without too much attention. (A half-Andrew so to speak.) It all depends under what circumstances he returns, when and under whose reign. As well as the public view on Harry.
He sure can forget all about having the same prominent role he had beforehand! Too much damage has been done.

Also, being welcomed back to the family, doesn't mean he will be physically together with the family. He may very well be de facto exiled, only to appear with the family a prominent events.

Meghan has a supporting role here, unless the family clearly believe she had no responsibility for this mess. I.e. they blame Harry for it all. She is her husband's wife, and that will be it! IMO. There will be no platform for her either.

Now for a hypothetical, but IMO far from unlikely, scenario. H&M divorce.
Statistically it is very much a possibility.
IMO it is a probability in regards to H&M.
Infatuations have a tendency to burn out, like a nova. I.e. dramatic but short-lived.
It is my impression that Harry was not happy before marrying Meghan.
I doubt very much he is happy in his present life and the future prospects...? Well...
He may one day look around in the mansion, they have borrowed. In a foreign country. In a different culture - in every definition of the word! I.e. a Hollywoodsk culture.
Looking at the calendar it's another day of doing... what?
He is no longer in contact with his family. He has AFAIK left most of his old friends behind. He is shunned by the public in his own country. The public in his new country don't care. That's a big culture shock for someone who has never known anything else.
He has no charities anymore. No purpose. Little contact with ordinary people, for whom he genuinely means something and for whom he can do something.

That will put a strain on even the happiest marriage and might very well plunge Harry into a genuine depression.
And Meghan. She is looking at a disillusioned shell of a husband who very likely will have lost his drive. Where is the dynamic Harry who wanted to change the world? You can't live on mirages in the long run.
So unless they find a purpose with their lives, in particular Harry, their marriage will face a serious crisis. - It's brutal psychology.

There is a very good chance I'll be wrong with this thought pattern, but there is also a good chance I'll be right.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:13 PM
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If it’s true they read about themselves, they can’t possibly be happy with some of the reviews of the snippets. I’m sure there will be a reaction none of us can even fathom at this point ...
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:19 PM
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Where do we go from here?
Is there a reconciliation on the cards for all parties concerned?
Currently I don't see that happening . Harry really seems to have way too many issues with his role as William's younger brother and the drop in status once George , Charlotte and Louis were born . And nobody can change that but Harry and he feels too much like a hard done by victim to bring sense into it .
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:31 PM
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I believe Harry will dismayed about the conditions some of the papers are putting out for his return ....without Meghan and Archie

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...han-diana/amp/

Basically Harry, have Meghan behave like a Stepford Wife/Fem-bot and all is forgiven. I feel like the BM's role with the Royal Family is to pick out their spouses for them. Meghan has not committed a crime in the UK nor is found to be a national security threat. You would think that with the coverage she gets. I also think the media is trying to pressure Harry to abandon Meghan and Archie.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:44 PM
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Yeah it has been a bit eye opening the amount of articles I have seen that basically imply Harry should leave Meghan and Archie in LA and return home. Fascinating.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:57 PM
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Yeah it has been a bit eye opening the amount of articles I have seen that basically imply Harry should leave Meghan and Archie in LA and return home. Fascinating.


This is the part thatís disgusting. The belief that he should abandon his wife and only child to go back to the UK. Itís madness and no decent human being would do something so terrible
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:01 PM
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This is the part thatís disgusting. The belief that he should abandon his wife and only child to go back to the UK. Itís madness and no decent human being would do something so terrible
I do not see these articles anywhere. Whatever is on SM or in comments is another thing.

That people think he can return to work some people have stated. But that isn't asking him to abandon his child.
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:07 PM
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I would venture that everyone is talking about it because we expected to read how badly they have been treated, and low and behold therenis nothing really there. They are up in arms because they can't see the problem. The just keeps reminding people they had to cope alone, the others let their teams talk to them about work. I would warrant that is unhealthy divide though. William and Kate never visited them in Oxford (they had a small baby), and didn't invite them round theirs at Kensington (see baby comment and that inviting a couple around indifferent from your single brother who just hangs out). His father was busy. His grandmother was busy. They wanted more help. I get that. But they had staff to help and the family do not deal with the media and it turns out most of the stories were true anyway...the actually stories not the opinion pieces.
Just my two cents, but I don't really see why William and Kate couldn't invite Harry and Meghan over for lunch or dinner. Or why Kate couldn't visit a new sister in law. Is it their responsibility Meghan felt welcome/safe/needed guidance? Probably not.. But if I had been Kate and if I had lived through the nonsense with the press and if I had read what was written about my new sister-in-law, I'd visit. I have a feeling (and my personal opinion), it wasn't guidance Meghan wanted. Just someone who had been in the same position.
By the time Meghan had Archie, Louis was 1 year old. He wasn't a newborn baby. We have a baby so we can't visit seems like a flimsy excuse for two people who have staff and a nanny. I'm sure they managed to visit other friends and family.
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:11 PM
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Just my two cents, but I don't really see why William and Kate couldn't invite Harry and Meghan over for lunch or dinner. Or why Kate couldn't visit a new sister in law. Is it their responsibility Meghan felt welcome/safe/needed guidance? Probably not.. But if I had been Kate and if I had lived through the nonsense with the press and if I had read what was written about my new sister-in-law, I'd visit. I have a feeling (and my personal opinion), it wasn't guidance Meghan wanted. Just someone who had been in the same position.
By the time Meghan had Archie, Louis was 1 year old. He wasn't a newborn baby. We have a baby so we can't visit seems like a flimsy excuse for two people who have staff and a nanny. I'm sure they managed to visit other friends and family.
The book says that when Kate did reach out it was met with silence or whatever so she thought everything was fine. She has her own family, and her brother had just come off the back of a hard time.
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:16 PM
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Just my two cents, but I don't really see why William and Kate couldn't invite Harry and Meghan over for lunch or dinner. Or why Kate couldn't visit a new sister in law. Is it their responsibility Meghan felt welcome/safe/needed guidance? Probably not.. But if I had been Kate and if I had lived through the nonsense with the press and if I had read what was written about my new sister-in-law, I'd visit. I have a feeling (and my personal opinion), it wasn't guidance Meghan wanted. Just someone who had been in the same position.
By the time Meghan had Archie, Louis was 1 year old. He wasn't a newborn baby. We have a baby so we can't visit seems like a flimsy excuse for two people who have staff and a nanny. I'm sure they managed to visit other friends and family.
But didn’t Omid report that Kate and William did visit? Now he seems to be changing his

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...arry-frogmore/

Prince William & Duchess Kate Have Visited Meghan at Frogmore Cottage
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:22 PM
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While the other books, by Lady Colin Campbell, Royals at War etc came out in attack mode and in some portions demeaned, made fun of and insulted Harry and Meghan. Is that better? This is one book, one, among the three others who came out in the last month that has something good and kind to say about the Sussexes, and tries to show things that went on from their perspective. Does every publication/book have to be anti Harry and Meghan to be regarded as truthful and honest and to gain approval?
No, and Iíve never thought, believed or said here that there should be a litany of (or even one) books attacking Harry and Meghan. I just believe that this book, despite it being supportive of those two, actually doesnít make them look good.

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I very much hope not. The events of the last few months have shown all of us how uncertain life can be. I hope that the Queen and Prince Philip both live for many years yet, but no-one lives for ever. The Queen was able to see her uncle during a visit to Paris not long before he died, and I bet she's always been grateful that she had that chance. Harry may end up with a lifetime of regret that he didn't try to heal the rift.
Reports indicated that William and Harry started to talk after their father came down with COVID. Fortunately Charles recovered, but hopefully Harry will understand that it may not always work out that well, and that sometimes it is too late. I donít want him to ever live with that regret - in fact, the same regret they have that they didnít really want to speak to their mum in that last phone call before the tragedy.

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Currently I don't see that happening . Harry really seems to have way too many issues with his role as William's younger brother and the drop in status once George , Charlotte and Louis were born . And nobody can change that but Harry and he feels too much like a hard done by victim to bring sense into it .
I canít help thinking if he subconsciously resents George...or Charlotte and Louis, both on his behalf and Archieís
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:33 PM
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Reports indicated that William and Harry started to talk after their father came down with COVID. Fortunately Charles recovered, but hopefully Harry will understand that it may not always work out that well, and that sometimes it is too late. I donít want him to ever live with that regret - in fact, the same regret they have that they didnít really want to speak to their mum in that last phone call before the tragedy.
That was an illogical regret of childhood. And it is only Harry that expresses that. A mark of being growing up is ceasing to blame yourself for what a child did.

Regrets he may have because of actions now are very real.
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