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Old 06-19-2021, 09:43 AM
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Well it sounds as if Harry was also engaging in bullying behaviour, if the tales are true...
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Old 06-19-2021, 10:39 AM
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Sounds like KP as a whole was a nightmare. That doesn't make anyone look good.
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:09 AM
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Sounds like KP as a whole was a nightmare. That doesn't make anyone look good.
Who else is accused of bullying?
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:50 AM
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I must say, the excerpt from Lacey's update is pretty damning of both Harry & Meghan. There were some interesting tidbits that I don't think we had before.

If it's true that a friend of William spoke to Lacey... I'd say the gloves have absolutely come off with regard to dealing with the Sussexes.

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(...)Several people maintained they had been “humiliated” by the duchess, and that criticism extended to Harry as well.

“I overheard a conversation between Harry and one of his top aides,” recalled one Kensington Palace courtier. “Harry was screaming and screaming down the phone. Team Sussex was a really toxic environment. People shouting and screaming in each other’s faces.”

(...)

William personally knew and liked all the individuals whom Knauf had named in his dossier. The prince regarded them as assets to his household — colleagues to be cherished and for whom he was responsible. Human beings. Like Knauf, the prince was appalled that his respected staff may have been put in this position.

For William, Knauf’s allegations also clarified something that the prince had long believed — that Meghan was fundamentally hostile towards the royal system, which she failed to understand as an outsider. William wondered if she had not wanted to leave from the very start — even dreaming, perhaps, that she could whisk Harry back with her to North America.

(...)

I have never met Jason Knauf. What you have just read is based upon the published accusations that Knauf set down on paper — refuted as “defamatory”, it must be stressed again, and “based on misleading and harmful information” in the view of the Duchess of Sussex’s lawyers. It also relies upon William’s personal account of these events to one of his friends who then spoke to this author.

(...)

William believed Meghan was following a plan — “agenda” was the word he used to his friend — and the accusations he had just heard were alarming. Kate, he said, had been wary of her from the start.

Meghan was undermining some precious principles of the monarchy, if she really was treating her staff in this way, and William was upset that she seemed to be stealing his beloved brother away from him. Later courtiers would coin a hashtag — #freeHarry. It was only half a joke.

(...)

When accounts of the rift started seeping out through the winter months that followed, it was generally assumed that the volatile Harry must have set the pace in the splitting up of the joint Kensington Palace household. He was the brother who visibly departed, stalking off to set up a new home in Windsor, with offices for himself and Meghan in Buckingham Palace.

But the reverse was the case. It was William who made the decisive move. Following his furious confrontation with his younger brother in the autumn of 2018, the prince instructed Simon Case to start the process of dividing their two households immediately. William wished to be separated from Meghan on a day-to-day basis — and that meant being separated from his brother as well.

“William,” says a friend, “threw Harry out.”
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Old 06-19-2021, 11:58 AM
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I didn't realize it was something that Lacey said and when I saw his name, I couldn't quite believe it. Is it me, or does this sound markedly different from what he wrote last year? A year ago, he was all but singing Meghan's praises, claiming that her stardom should have elevated her above opening bridges with The Queen and other mundane tasks. And that, basically, the RF was at fault for not reforming itself around her shine.

I wonder what happened to cause such a change.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:22 PM
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I hope William hasn't taken a page from the Harry/Meghan playbook and is now telling his friends to tell the press certain things. Or maybe Harry and Meghan were right, and the royals really have been doing that the whole time. Either way, I wish everyone would just stop doing that.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:30 PM
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A culture clash seems a good way to describe the different approaches of team Sussex vs team Cambridge.
Self-interest vs Duty
Being served by staff vs Taking care of staff
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:35 PM
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If Meghan really is so volatile and hostile to work for as Lacey alleges, then perhaps it's less of a surprise that the Sussexes have not done much professionally since their departure, even given the pandemic and her pregnancies.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:48 PM
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A culture clash seems a good way to describe the different approaches of team Sussex vs team Cambridge.
Self-interest vs Duty
Being served by staff vs Taking care of staff
The way I've seen it is that the senior staff members working for a royal are the ones that keep their appointment diaries straight, compile dossiers on the people the royal is going to meet with pertinent information they need to know and they're at their side to collect flowers and gifts and basically a royal's right arm person. They work together

It's possible that Meghan, coming into an establishment totally different from what she's been used to, her view of staff was more that they're gophers, maids and jack of all trades for whatever she deemed she needed and was to be obeyed without questions asked. If Harry could have the attitude that "whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets", its not surprising that that should have been the attitude of those that worked for Meghan. Her "orders" were to be followed without complaint. I can see where her staff would have a revolving door if this was the case.

It also doesn't surprise me that it is suggested that William is the one that took action in order to preserve his and his wife's work environment. William would be the one that saw the responsibility he has to ensure that his office and his staff work in tandem with each other and that can't be accomplished if there's someone in the office that is making the job intolerable for the rest of them.

It actually wouldn't surprise me one bit that William ordered the execution of the dissolution of the office and staff away from Harry and Meghan feeling they'd be best off with their own office and staff and let the chips fall where they may. Here lies the love vs. duty. William knows the responsibilities he carries and will have increasing roles going into the future whereas Harry most likely took offense at the actions against "the woman he loves that can do no wrong in his eyes."

Then, as history shows, Harry and Meghan wanted their own "court" which was denied. They most likely saw it as an affront that their office at BP would be under the jurisdiction of HM, The Queen and felt they were being demeaned, unappreciated and demoted even though the reality is that eventually, William would have his own court and offices and staff as Duke of Cornwall and perhaps Prince of Wales in the not so far off future.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:51 PM
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I do not believe Meghan "mistreated" her staff. One "allegation" was emails at 5 AM> This happens at work but it does not mean the employee has to answer the emails at 5 AM.
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Old 06-19-2021, 12:52 PM
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Ironically, I think this is a win-win for everybody.

The courtiers found HRH The Duchess of Sussex abusive, and now they never have to deal with her or HRH The Duke of Sussex again.

HRH The Duchess of Sussex expected a difference experience within the British Royal Family than the one she got, so HRH The Duke of Sussex removed their family from working status to a less stressful life.

HRH The Duke of Cambridge wanted to protect the staff from HRH The Duchess of Sussex and preserve the sanctity of the British Royal Family. Now HRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are out, the courtiers do not have to deal with them, and HRH The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge can continue the good work of representing the British Royal Family, Great Britain, and the Commonwealth without issue.

In the end, everyone got what they wanted.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:02 PM
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I think the households would eventually have split anyway. It's not usual for two adult siblings and their partners to operate as a group of four rather than as two couples. But it's a shame that it couldn't have happened amicably. There do seem to be a lot of people singing from the same hymn sheet regarding the bullying allegations: it's not as if it's just one or two.


There does to be a pattern of Harry flying off the handle. If a number of people had made allegations of workplace bullying, there was an obligation to listen and to look into what had happened. It would have been wrong for William just to refuse to take any notice.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:21 PM
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A culture clash seems a good way to describe the different approaches of team Sussex vs team Cambridge.
Self-interest vs Duty
Being served by staff vs Taking care of staff

It seems as if basic courtesy should transcend any cultural differences.
Bullying is bullying, no matter where you are.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:21 PM
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I didn't realize it was something that Lacey said and when I saw his name, I couldn't quite believe it. Is it me, or does this sound markedly different from what he wrote last year? A year ago, he was all but singing Meghan's praises, claiming that her stardom should have elevated her above opening bridges with The Queen and other mundane tasks. And that, basically, the RF was at fault for not reforming itself around her shine.

I wonder what happened to cause such a change.
It is quite the change. In the previous edition he was Team Sussex. And to be fair we don't how the rest of the new chapters will turn out over all.

This is in line with previous allegations and presumably it can be proved by the independent inquiry that JK sent the emails in 2018 with concerns.

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I do not believe Meghan "mistreated" her staff. One "allegation" was emails at 5 AM> This happens at work but it does not mean the employee has to answer the emails at 5 AM.
This is not just about 5am emails. This is about allegedly both of them screaming at staff, they/she "governed by fear" and "emotional cruelty and manipulation" and created a toxic environment for team Sussex leaving staff shaking and terrified. Again all alleged but this man wrote the book that was very much on their side last year.

These staff had often come from a corporate setting, they were not just British but American and from the Commonwealth as well. So this wasn't just about being an American woman in an office full of ancient British men in grey.

And no, it doesn't make the Palace look good that they allegedly swept a lot of it under the table instead of having a policy where staff can make complaints about the way they're treated by *any* member of the family.

I do think they would have split their offices sooner or later even if this wasn't the powder keg and everything was running smoother.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:31 PM
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For the first time since August 31 1997, I am relieved that William and Harry's mother is not alive to see this. How mortified Diana would be.

Or would she have been able to have prevented the mess in the first place?
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:33 PM
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I'm confused. Has the "updated version" already been released, and this is just the paperback edition? There doesn't seem to be as much press and promo for "twelve new chapters" as you'd think.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:40 PM
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It's possible that Meghan, coming into an establishment totally different from what she's been used to, her view of staff was more that they're gophers, maids and jack of all trades for whatever she deemed she needed and was to be obeyed without questions asked. If Harry could have the attitude that "whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets", its not surprising that that should have been the attitude of those that worked for Meghan. Her "orders" were to be followed without complaint. I can see where her staff would have a revolving door if this was the case.
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Oh come, do medium range actresses on small scale shows filmed in Canada get gofers and maids and people to do their bidding?
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:50 PM
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Oh come, do medium range actresses on small scale shows filmed in Canada get gofers and maids and people to do their bidding?
She may have thought that the top-range actresses would and she was now to become a royal highness (so top of the top-range), so her expectations might have been along those lines.
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Oh come, do medium range actresses on small scale shows filmed in Canada get gofers and maids and people to do their bidding?
Yes, they do. Look at the credits following any show on TV. All kinds of people doing different jobs to support the actors and actresses from hair styling to wardrobe and script consultants etc. Maybe not as private secretaries but they're there to make the production run smoothly.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:58 PM
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Yes, they do. Look at the credits following any show on TV. All kinds of people doing different jobs to support the actors and actresses from hair styling to wardrobe and script consultants etc. Maybe not as private secretaries but they're there to make the production run smoothly.
Do you think that an actress of Meghan's level has her own personal maid, stylist etc etc who are expected to dash about and bow to her every wish?
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