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Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

This thread has been created to discuss the Sofia Hellqvist's past, her suitability to be a member of the Swedish Royal Family, and her potential future role within the SRF. Before we begin, however, the moderators would like to set out some ground rules for the discussion, as it is not doubt going to continue the controversy that follows Sofia:

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I can't believe my eyes, the king and queen come to the group photo with them. Why? They made the awkward video with Victoria and Daniel, and nothing with Madeleine and Chris.
And now the king and queen are talking and babbling with the press and praising Sofia? Why they are treating Carl Philip and Sofia so differently than Victoria and Daniel? Because the king wanted Carl Philip to be the heir...

Given today's announcement, the Swedish people need to be lighting candles and thanking whomever they pray to that he is NOT the heir.

Now I completely understand why Victoria and Madeleine seemed to go over the top(in some eyes) with their children's christenings, as if to emphasize that the Bernadottes are indeed still a Royal family.

More and more the only things that appear Royal about this family are their beautiful palaces and chapels:sad:.
 
She will always be the Princess people snigger at, it's just the way of the world. He must really love her because a lot of men (and not just royal ones) couldn't bear to marry a woman whom anyone could look at naked at the click of a button. Some of her pictures were actually soft porn and I bet she regrets it now but those jibes are just something that she and any children of theirs will have to live with.
 
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
 
The word "commoner" just got a completely new meaning, but it was clear this was coming sooner or later. Congrats to the couple I guess, hope they will be happy. I'd rather say no more at this point than, the press conference was a complete disaster.

Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
Try to google her, you'll find more then pictures in swimsuit... ;)
 
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.

The DailyMail actually only posted her most "soft" pictures there.
 
Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.

There are also many pictures without swimsuit :whistling:
 
Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.

Carl Philip dated Emma Pernald for 10 years, and she has a faultless past and she was working full-time. Sofia has posed naked and with a snake and taken part at a racy reality-show "Paradise Hotel". And she was chosen as Miss Slitz of men's magazine Slitz.
 
Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.

His previously long-term GF, Emma, was well-liked. I doubt there would have been any real objections if they had gotten engaged.

If you google Sofia you will see there are more risque pictures than what the DM published.
 
There are also many pictures without swimsuit :whistling:

Carl Philip dated Emma Pernald for 10 years, and she has a faultless past and she was working full-time. Sofia has posed naked and with a snake and taken part at a racy reality-show "Paradise Hotel". And she was chosen as Miss Slitz of men's magazine Slitz.

And this woman is going to be a princess?!:ohmy::sick:
Didn't know about Emma- like I say don't follow this family- you should marry who you love, but if I was Carl, I would've stuck with Emma.
 
I just keep trying to put myself in Carl's shoes. No matter how I loved someone, if they told me they had done those types of pictures, I would show them the door. Can't imagine any parent being thrilled either. My parents would have cows, but like I said so would I . Throw in being a Princess. Disaster waiting to happen. What was Carl thinking? Did he expect us all to jump for joy? I wonder what Emma must think?
Flawless girl, who gets passed over for a girl with a past?
I know there is nothing illegal about posing for such photos, but it is so dirty and immoral.
I see someone mentioned Prince Harry. There is no way that would ever happen because of the Queen. Case in point Koo Stark.
Agree with K-.man.
 
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I just keep trying to put myself in Carl's shoes. No matter how I loved someone, if they told me they had done those types of pictures, I would show them the door. Can't imagine any parent being thrilled either. My parents would have cows, but like I said so would I . Throw in being a Princess. Disaster waiting to happen. What was Carl thinking? Did he expect us all to jump for joy? I wonder what Emma must think?
Flawless girl, who gets passed over for a girl with a past?
I know there is nothing illegal about posing for such photos, but it is so dirty and immoral.

The royals are out looking for love and sometimes the love of their lives have a little past. Everyone pretty much have something in their past that may not look so good. The royals aren't going to find the most perfect people to date and marry because there aren't any perfect people out there.

Now, while many people are looking at Sofia, looking at those pictures and judging her based on all of that, Prince Carl Philip dated and getting ready to marry a woman that he know way beyond those pictures. Most likely his family aren't going to accept a person that's bad for Carl Philip and he most likely wouldn't have asked a bad person to marry him.

I remember there was another young lady that a great deal of people online were against marrying into the British royal family because they thought she loved the media too much, didn't have a job that they would've preferred she had and that her family was very low class. Her name is HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.
 
It used to be that if a girl lost her virginity before marriage, she was considered unmarriageable by any decent man (no matter what his past might have been).

So Sofia made some tacky but ultimately minor mistakes in her youth- so what?
Would we deem her unmarriageable? Surely she can marry the man she loves- he's only a man, not a superhuman being despite being a prince.

If people- men and women- are unable to stop thinking about those things, then they are the ones with the problem. CP loves her, the family has accepted her, and the wedding will occur sooner or later ;). It's pointless and uninteresting and somewhat dubious to continue to fume and stew over a young woman's past errors.

No doubt the wedding and surrounding events will be lovely, babies will come along, and the couple's chances for happiness seem no less good than those of CP's siblings.
 
[Would we deem her unmarriageable]// quote

My very middle class parents would have had a complete meltdown if my younger brother had introduced a Sofia Hellqvist into our family.:ermm:
 
It used to be that if a girl lost her virginity before marriage, she was considered unmarriageable by any decent man (no matter what his past might have been).

So Sofia made some tacky but ultimately minor mistakes in her youth- so what?
Would we deem her unmarriageable? Surely she can marry the man she loves- he's only a man, not a superhuman being despite being a prince.

If people- men and women- are unable to stop thinking about those things, then they are the ones with the problem. CP loves her, the family has accepted her, and the wedding will occur sooner or later ;). It's pointless and uninteresting and somewhat dubious to continue to fume and stew over a young woman's past errors.

No doubt the wedding and surrounding events will be lovely, babies will come along, and the couple's chances for happiness seem no less good than those of CP's siblings.

I disagree with you, Ladongas.

The main issue in my eyes is not the nude photos themselves. Royals get photographed in the buff from time to time themselves.
The main issue in my eyes is that she has very little to offer that outweighs her past.
Has she a university degree? Has she done some serious volunteer work? Has she served in Afghanistan? Has she worked in a refugee camp? Has she worked with handicapped children?
Something that signals that she is more than nude breasts and a reality show.

Being royal today is about representing your country. Wherever she and CP will go on public visits abroad, the nude photos will be published and there is very little else to write about.
In other words: diplomatically speaking she has very little weight.
 
I would think the press would have better things to do than keep dragging her past up . What is done is done she can't change it. The family have accepted her and given their blessing that is really what matters. She can learn what ever she needs to know.
 
I'm not sure how the Swedish government system works, so if there is someone out there who can clarify, I would appreciate it. I do wonder, if the Swedes really do not like her, and if their taxes are being used to pay for an elaborate royal wedding, could this have an over-all negative outcome on the the future of the monarchy in Sweden? Just asking the question as I'm curious.
 
I would think the press would have better things to do than keep dragging her past up . What is done is done she can't change it. The family have accepted her and given their blessing that is really what matters. She can learn what ever she needs to know.
The press loves her because she loves them. It is simple. A photographer turns up and she smiles and poses. A reporter asks something and she answers. The press are bound to love someone who gives them good headlines and beautiful pictures.

Daniel and Chris both were discreet and avoided the press as good as they could. The press had to delve on negative stuff or they wouldn't have had headlines to sell.

... isn't it a crazy world?
 
The press loves her because she loves them. It is simple. A photographer turns up and she smiles and poses. A reporter asks something and she answers. The press are bound to love someone who gives them good headlines and beautiful pictures.

Daniel and Chris both were discreet and avoided the press as good as they could. The press had to delve on negative stuff or they wouldn't have had headlines to sell.

... isn't it a crazy world?

Daniel was discreet because he was told to be. He wasn't allowed to talk about Victoria before the engagement. We have all seen that he isn't shy at all and is the most interviewed person in the royal family. Chris isn't in Sweden very much so he doesn't meet the press very much. Obviously no one has said to Sofia that she has to be discreet.
 
I'm not sure how the Swedish government system works, so if there is someone out there who can clarify, I would appreciate it. I do wonder, if the Swedes really do not like her, and if their taxes are being used to pay for an elaborate royal wedding, could this have an over-all negative outcome on the the future of the monarchy in Sweden? Just asking the question as I'm curious.

well, Princess Madeleine's wedding was paid privately. About the outcome, i wouldn't know
 
Being royal today is about representing your country. Wherever she and CP will go on public visits abroad, the nude photos will be published and there is very little else to write about.
In other words: diplomatically speaking she has very little weight.

This is on point and speaking of things diplomatic, if one sees the royals to be the ultimate diplomats of a country, then she's a liability to the RF rather than an asset simply because she's an easy target for anyone who wishes to malign the RF. The good news is, her past mistakes are not of a political nature (she wasn't an anarchist, a neo-Nazi, etc.) so that can still be changed with a good team that should carefully map out her life in the next few years. Sometimes, all you need is a good PR team who'll put the right spin to the most horrible things (sad but true).

Since I'm neither a Swede, nor a member of this family, I need not be stressed about the Prince's choice of a bride, lol. This pairing though, is an opportunity for anti-monarchy advocates everywhere to point out how much of a joke royals are these days, as I'm already seeing in social media.

Random note, can anyone imagine what a field day the Spanish press would have if Carl-Philip were a Spanish prince? :ROFLMAO:
 
I would think the press would have better things to do than keep dragging her past up . What is done is done she can't change it. The family have accepted her and given their blessing that is really what matters. She can learn what ever she needs to know.

The U-turn in the Swedish royal family regarding marriages is quite remarkable though. Keep in mind that, until 40 years ago or so, the Bernadotte princes were only legally allowed to marry members of other royal families, or else they would lose their place in the line of succession. Both of King Carl XVI Gustaf's parents for example were great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom. Then, after Carl Gustaf's accession, we had a succession of "unequal marriages" (Silvia, Daniel, Chris O'Neill, and now Sofia), which were all controversial to a certain extent.

I remember someone else posting on these boards that the old Swedish nobility no longer takes the Royal Family seriously, but I don't know if that is true. Ordinary Swedes, however, seem to appreciate the idea that Victoria married the man she loved (instead of getting into an arranged marriage) and the Royal Court has been very efficient in spinning Daniel and Victoria as a modern "fairy tale" (remember the cute little girl who sang to Daniel in his pre-wedding concert about his "suddenly becoming prince"). The public is not so keen on Sofia though, first because she is seen as "trashy" and, second, because, well, as Marx wrote, history repeats itself the second time as farce. Sofia will have a hard time proving herself on the job, but she will get the public's approval eventually. Just as Camilla did in the UK for instance.
 
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Daniel was discreet because he was told to be. He wasn't allowed to talk about Victoria before the engagement. We have all seen that he isn't shy at all and is the most interviewed person in the royal family. Chris isn't in Sweden very much so he doesn't meet the press very much. Obviously no one has said to Sofia that she has to be discreet.

But how could they date for years without anyone telling her that she should be discreet? It seems that Daniel got the message. Sofia thought she knew better. (Or at least that's what it looks like to me)
 
Also, Sofia has been discreet. She didn't reveal anything inappropriate about her relationship with Prince Carl Philip and the royal family. Also, she was in a very unique position. A great deal of false stories have been written about her and I think she had every right to stand up for herself when she felt the need to do so.
 
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[Would we deem her unmarriageable]// quote

My very middle class parents would have had a complete meltdown if my younger brother had introduced a Sofia Hellqvist into our family.:ermm:

Yet my parents would have been more worried about a Mette Marit than a Sofia. But they also would have gotten to know the person, which is more than I can say for some on here.
 
I'm not sure how the Swedish government system works, so if there is someone out there who can clarify, I would appreciate it.

Sweden is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary government. Legislative power is vested in the Riksdag (the Swedish parliament), which is elected by universal suffrage every 4 years. Executive power is vested in the government, which is headed by the prime minister.

Since 1975, the King is no longer part of the government and has no role in appointing the prime minister or sanctioning laws. When a prime minister resigns, usually following a defeat in a general election, the president of the Riksdag nominates a new prime minister, which has to be confirmed then by a majority vote in the parliament. As a result of that mechanism, the prime minister is normally always the leader of the party (or coalition of parties) that has the most seats in the elected Riksdag. Once the prime minister is confirmed, he appoints the other cabinet ministers that form the government. The Riksdag can approve a motion of no confidence in any of the ministers, which forces the affected minister to be exonerated. If a motion of no confidence in the prime minister is passed, the whole government is exonerated and a new prime minister and government have to be appointed following the same procedure used after a general election.


The King remains however the ceremonial Head of State and, in addition to hosting state visits, attending national celebrations, and representing Sweden abroad, he still has a few residual official responsibilities that involve the government and the legislature. For example, he opens the Riksdag at the beginning of each legislative session and also chairs a special council of ministers when a new government is sworn in. In addition, he holds regular "Councils of State" with the ministers (usually every 3 months or so), where he is kept informed about government policies, and he also chairs the so-called "Foreign Affairs Advisory Council", which is a body including members of the opposition parties that the government must consult before making major foreign policy decisions. As Head of State, the King is also responsible for accepting the diplomatic credentials of representatives of foreign governments and for issuing the credentials of all Swedish diplomats posted overseas.

The royal succession is currently hereditary in the descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf, with the order of succession determined by absolute primogeniture without gender preference. A prince or princess of the Royal House lose their succession rights if they are not members of the Swedish Lutheran church, or if they either marry without the consent of the King and the government, or become Head of State of another country without the consent of the King and the Riksadg.
 
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I disagree with you, Ladongas.

The main issue in my eyes is not the nude photos themselves. Royals get photographed in the buff from time to time themselves.
The main issue in my eyes is that she has very little to offer that outweighs her past.
Has she a university degree? Has she done some serious volunteer work? Has she served in Afghanistan? Has she worked in a refugee camp? Has she worked with handicapped children?
Something that signals that she is more than nude breasts and a reality show.

Being royal today is about representing your country. Wherever she and CP will go on public visits abroad, the nude photos will be published and there is very little else to write about.
In other words: diplomatically speaking she has very little weight.

Sofia started Project Playground together with a friend which helps children in need in and around Cape Town. So yes, she has done quite a lot of volunteer work since her days as a glamour model.
 
Random note, can anyone imagine what a field day the Spanish press would have if Carl-Philip were a Spanish prince? :ROFLMAO:

They would get down on their knees and thank whatever demons editors-in-chief worship. :lol:
 
Also, Sofia has been discreet. She didn't reveal anything inappropriate about her relationship with Prince Carl Philip and the royal family.

Her tweet about revealing she was indeed dating Prince Carl Philip was anything but discreet I'm afraid.
 
Sofia started Project Playground together with a friend which helps children in need in and around Cape Town. So yes, she has done quite a lot of volunteer work since her days as a glamour model.

Good, that's a beginning.
However, since she is climbing a very steep hill, she needs to do a lot of that!
Because her honeymoon with the press and the public will be considerably shorter than other princesses. (I assume she'll become a princess).
 
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