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Old 10-20-2020, 01:42 PM
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strange that they didn't consider how this would be seen/interpreted.

i didn't know about maxima's 'Hij was een beetje dom' - in which context did she say it during her engagement interview? as to the courtship?
It's the most famous sentence in the interview. It was about Willem-Alexander's reference to a letter by Videla. We recently discussed it somewhere on TRF, so I'm sure it's easy to find by using the 'search' option.
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Old 10-20-2020, 02:40 PM
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Apparently there were 11 flights they could have tried to book on to since Saturday. Not mentioning the two girls were still out there is not the best idea in the circumstances.
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:10 PM
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And now parliament is wondering why the prime minister did not mention in his letter that the two eldest princesses remained in Greece for three more days...
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:36 PM
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Apparently there were 11 flights they could have tried to book on to since Saturday. Not mentioning the two girls were still out there is not the best idea in the circumstances.
I did wonder why they weren't just put on the next flight, but are they really going to make a crisis of leaving their children there?

I suppose having their security detail out there must make it in the public interest, but still.

I wonder if it really is/was about tickets. Are there no rules or issues about the king and Amalia traveling together? Especially commercially.
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Old 10-20-2020, 07:48 PM
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I did wonder why they weren't just put on the next flight, but are they really going to make a crisis of leaving their children there?

I suppose having their security detail out there must make it in the public interest, but still.

I wonder if it really is/was about tickets. Are there no rules or issues about the king and Amalia traveling together? Especially commercially.
Regarding your last question: no, the king and princess of Orange do travel together unlike some of their counterparts.

According to the press reports, they could secure 4 tickets for the Saturday evening flight: for the king, queen, princess Ariane and a security guard. That same day, they already decided that Amalia and Alexia would stay a few more days instead of trying to get back on the earliest flight possible.

I'm pretty convinced the princesses flew business class, so while there might have been various flights, I'm not sure that all of those flights would have at least 3 seats available in business class.
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Old 10-20-2020, 08:57 PM
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And now parliament is wondering why the prime minister did not mention in his letter that the two eldest princesses remained in Greece for three more days...
Surely they have more important things to worry about than that? I know some would like to play politics with this situation for as long as possible but the public interest component ended once it was confirmed that WA and Maxima were back. To me it would have been better if the whole family had returned together but Amalia and Alexia are minors and since this was a private vacation, not an official trip, I think the exact timing of everyone's return was a family matter.

Frankly, if I'd just had to tell three teenaged girls that their vacation in Greece was over before the plane even landed I would want as few of them as possible on the flight back with me.
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:47 PM
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This doesn't make sense the family flew TOGETHER on a government plane to Greece. If the PM felt it best for the family to return home why weren't they flown together on the same government plane?!

Also why wasn't it mentioned that two princesses stayed behind?

Sorry this all looks very fishy and contrived.
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Old 10-20-2020, 10:03 PM
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This doesn't make sense the family flew TOGETHER on a government plane to Greece. If the PM felt it best for the family to return home why weren't they flown together on the same government plane?!

Also why wasn't it mentioned that two princesses stayed behind?

Sorry this all looks very fishy and contrived.
By the time the decision was made to return, the plane was already on it's way back to the Netherlands. That's why they (we don't know whether it were their majesties or the pm called the shot that returning would be best) decided to stay for the night and return the next day.

The PM crafted his letter in a way that he only talked about the king returning and didn't mention anything about the family (while everyone would read it as if the family returned he didn't explicitly say so). Of course it was bound to be noticed by someone either on their first flight or on the second flight that the family traveled separately, so, it's probably more of a surprise that only their arrival today was noticed and not them not being on the plane on Saturday.

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Surely they have more important things to worry about than that? I know some would like to play politics with this situation for as long as possible but the public interest component ended once it was confirmed that WA and Maxima were back. To me it would have been better if the whole family had returned together but Amalia and Alexia are minors and since this was a private vacation, not an official trip, I think the exact timing of everyone's return was a family matter.

Frankly, if I'd just had to tell three teenaged girls that their vacation in Greece was over before the plane even landed I would want as few of them as possible on the flight back with me.
Given that this whole 'scandal' is about the king and his family not heeding the strong advice of the government to travel as little as possible (as part of the rather strong regulations that impact each and everyone in the Netherlands), the pm not being sufficiently aware that they didn't, and the king and queen announcing that they would break off their holidays because of the discussion about their trip, the pm announcing their return, it is not hard to imagine some of them having trouble trusting the pm in these matters. As he misled parliament by providing factually correct information implying something different than he must have known to be true. Also take into account that he was already under fire for not taking more strict measures earlier on (while others protest that the current measures are too though)... So, this is mostly about how the PM is handling this 'little crisis within a large crisis'.
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Old 10-21-2020, 12:18 AM
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Given that this whole 'scandal' is about the king and his family not heeding the strong advice of the government to travel as little as possible (as part of the rather strong regulations that impact each and everyone in the Netherlands), the pm not being sufficiently aware that they didn't, and the king and queen announcing that they would break off their holidays because of the discussion about their trip, the pm announcing their return, it is not hard to imagine some of them having trouble trusting the pm in these matters. As he misled parliament by providing factually correct information implying something different than he must have known to be true. Also take into account that he was already under fire for not taking more strict measures earlier on (while others protest that the current measures are too though)... So, this is mostly about how the PM is handling this 'little crisis within a large crisis'.
It's difficult to successfully manage a crisis when you're forced to cover for another adult's poor judgement. WA and Maxima had plenty of time to hear about the new recommendations and adjust their plans accordingly. They didn't. The PM then has to wipe up their mess. He apologizes and says the king is returning. He likely did know the two older girls weren't coming back with their parents but if he puts that in his statement people will want to know why they aren't coming back and how long will they be away and is that fair and could they REALLY not find enough seats on the plane and the whole thing descends into farce. At the time the PM issued the apology it's possible no one knew exactly what the plan was for Amalia and Alexia, including their parents, so Rutte based his statement only on information he knew to be true at the time

But again, I feel that in this situation the girls were not the government's concern.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:37 AM
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I don't really understand in the current circumstances that every flight from Greece was full for the days following the King and Queen's return.

This incident has been damaging for the King and his family in not appreciating the situation that the Netherlands and the World is facing. Just because they are royals they are not exempt in my eyes from the rules set by Governments regarding advice. We have seen other royals from their European counterparts take "staycation" holiday - why the Dutch family think a holiday to Greece which also included their security detail was a good idea in terms of cost and public morale/solidarity
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Old 10-21-2020, 05:47 AM
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I don't really understand in the current circumstances that every flight from Greece was full for the days following the King and Queen's return.

This incident has been damaging for the King and his family in not appreciating the situation that the Netherlands and the World is facing.

Nonsens!!Like many thousands of other Dutch the family has a house abroad,and when it likes to go there they should.Especially as Greece mainland is not code orange or red!An advice is just that,nothing more!!Had the government done what it should have done a while ago already,i.e. a 4 week lockdown,everyone had known to just not move an inch.But flights to god knows what corona area fligh out every day and nobody does anything about that,But when someone moves from one bubble to another with his own family,...and some airnews something kid like Menno Swart thinks he has a scope by saying the King is fleeing the country sneaky,then that is faul,faul play to a fould!!And worse,some politicians who s party are losing seats,....thank goodness for that......Now try to profile themselves as holyer then thou on the theme of corona!!NOt with me,dont fool me,and leave them alone,.Dutch are also called Azijnzeikers...I m afraid you will have to google for that....but it fits...The Dutch RF is out and about on a daily basis to support those affected by corona,so NO ONE can say they don t take the issue serious..Bloody nonsense...and NO buts..!.Seriously!Leave them alone,,it s just a bunch of little jealous nobodies milking a non issue and they are to be ignored totally!Punt.Next!I am seriously furious.....Even at daft drooling programs like Blauw Bloed and that Vorsten rag...dump m.
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Old 10-21-2020, 06:37 AM
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The Government Information Service has released a short video message of King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima commenting on their journey to Greece.

King Willem-Alexander said: "It hurts to have betrayed your trust in us. Even though the trip was in line with the regulations, it was very unwise not to take into account the impact of the new restrictions on our society":


** video ** rex gallery ** ppe gallery ** koninklijkhuis.nl: Copy of the King's message ** google translation **
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Old 10-21-2020, 06:47 AM
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The final sentence is on point: we are involved but not infallible.

Let's hope they've learned from this episode and really take their position less for granted and more seriously.
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Old 10-21-2020, 06:55 AM
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Well, with such a communique and the video, I think Their Majesties they have gone far beyond what others in a similar position would have done in the same situation.

Throughout the last several months and indeed throughout their lives together, they have seemed close to the people of the Netherlands and beyond, been down-to-earth yet retained the dignity and regality of their position and always seemed to have acted as a good king and queen.

I think that all counts for something when weighing things up in the context of recent events.

Is all travel abroad from the Netherlands now fully restricted?
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Old 10-21-2020, 06:58 AM
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TM offered Their apologies to the people on a video released a short while ago.

Apology accepted!

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The final sentence is on point: we are involved but not infallible.

Let's hope they've learned from this episode and really take their position less for granted and more seriously.
They have NEVER taken Their position for granted!!Never!
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Old 10-21-2020, 07:38 AM
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aahh, there it is, the Gang nach Canossa, I think understandable in all languages. Maxima has the most stateswoman like facial expression
time to move on!
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aahh, there it is, the Gang nach Canossa, I think understandable in all languages. Maxima has the most stateswoman like facial expression
time to move on!
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Old 10-21-2020, 07:51 AM
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The King has finally apologized! I agree with Duke, time to move on now.
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:00 AM
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There was the royal humble pie.
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:14 AM
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A good move to offer apologies, and that should be the end of the matter in terms of public debate. Internally I am sure there will be an evaluation to prevent an incident like this in the future, which would be mainly an issue for the prime ministers office.
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