WA, Máxima & Daughters: Summer Holiday in Argentina & Lawsuit against AP: Summer 2009 - Page 8

**Marengo** · #**141** 08-23-2009, 04:09 AM

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Florencia · #**142** 08-28-2009, 11:40 AM

The Associated Press: Dutch royals win privacy case against AP

Regina · #**143** 08-28-2009, 01:19 PM

Was this court decision already expected by the Dutch society?

ahtikavalentine · #**144** 08-28-2009, 01:42 PM

So...Again they won....Too bad, I will say.

Maura724 · #**145** 08-28-2009, 01:45 PM

Yes, it's like rewarding WA for bad behavior.

lucien · #**146** 08-29-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Regina

Was this court decision already expected by the Dutch society?

Not quiet,no,a judge is a judge and rules according to the possibilities of the Laws,independent of what people think,assume or otherwise.
But Good he ruled as he did,and it isn't a reward for "bad behaviour"....really..

susan alicia · #**147** 08-29-2009, 01:38 PM

NOSJOURNAAL - Willem-Alexander wint zaak tegen AP

...De Oranjes wilden dat ook toekomstige, nog niet bestaande foto's onder een verbod zouden vallen, maar zover wilde de rechter niet gaan. Er moet telkens opnieuw worden gekeken naar de nieuwswaarde van de beelden....

The judge did rule that, if taken to court, the newsworthyness or the pictures taken would be judged every time again.
This in contrast to what the Dutch Royals wanted, that still non existing photographs would be prohibited in the same way as these 4 pictures of the AP.

Winnie · #**148** 08-29-2009, 04:15 PM

Will this be for only photos published in the Netherlands or does it mean that no publication in the world can ever print a photo of the Dutch Royal Family without their written permission?

susan alicia · #**149** 08-29-2009, 05:11 PM

Court finds AP guilty of violating royal family's privacy

I wonder about that too.

fortimo · #**150** 08-30-2009, 03:41 AM

I think they are a little bit arrogant. If they want privacy, they should stay at home. They were my favorite couple, because they were always happy and friendly, but I am now disappointed, and I am not interested what is with them anymore. They are insincere. I don't like such people. Only photograph was made about them, not lying was said...

Liah76 · #**151** 08-30-2009, 01:33 PM

I'm so disappointed about this, if they want privacy, they can resign to his privileged positions, their positions accarean duties, and is logical that being a loved pair, are expected to see to them, I do not understand

carlota · #**152** 08-30-2009, 02:13 PM

i opposed such behaviour by the family in first instance, although i trust the judge worked to the best of his capacity and maybe there are some details that we don't know or are not considering.

did the press mention where the money they receive from the appeal will go? i remember in past ocassions WA and maxima dedicated the money they were given from lawsuits to charity. will it be the same this time?

RubyPrincess168 · #**153** 08-31-2009, 02:51 AM

I too am greatly disappointed in the fact that the DRF won this case. But the above mentioned articles seem indicate that the photos in question can't be published in the Netherlands. I would assume they could be published outside the Netherlands.

Regina · #**154** 08-31-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RubyPrincess168

I too am greatly disappointed in the fact that the DRF won this case. But the above mentioned articles seem indicate that the photos in question can't be published in the Netherlands. I would assume they could be published outside the Netherlands.

I am not Dutch but I believe the pictures can be published outside the Netherlands... If a spanish or italian magazine wants to publish the photos... how could the royal couple forbbide that? In that case it would be weird that everyone could have access to their (so!) private life except their own people.

**Zonk** · #**155** 08-31-2009, 09:12 AM

Actually, I am glad that they won their case. I wish the Prince's behavior would have been alittle better but there you go.

Yes, Willem Alexander, Maxima and their daughters are public figures and because they are supported by the Dutch people, they should expect to be photographed often BUT at some point, we (the royal fans, the people of the Netherlands and the press) have to step back for a second.

EVERYONE deserves some aspect of privacy. If you dont draw the line in the sand at some point, then there are no boundaries.

And I believe this for celebrities, other royal fans, Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc. We all have the right to privacy. Heck.....even animals in a zoo get more privacy than public figures.

lucien · #**156** 08-31-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

Actually, I am glad that they won their case. I wish the Prince's behavior would have been alittle better but there you go.

Yes, Willem Alexander, Maxima and their daughters are public figures and because they are supported by the Dutch people, they should expect to be photographed often BUT at some point, we (the royal fans, the people of the Netherlands and the press) have to step back for a second.

EVERYONE deserves some aspect of privacy. If you dont draw the line in the sand at some point, then there are no boundaries.

And I believe this for celebrities, other royal fans, Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc. We all have the right to privacy. Heck.....even animals in a zoo get more privacy than public figures.

Fully agree.Thanks for that Zonk!

cdm · #**157** 08-31-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

Actually, I am glad that they won their case. I wish the Prince's behavior would have been alittle better but there you go.

Yes, Willem Alexander, Maxima and their daughters are public figures and because they are supported by the Dutch people, they should expect to be photographed often BUT at some point, we (the royal fans, the people of the Netherlands and the press) have to step back for a second.

EVERYONE deserves some aspect of privacy. If you dont draw the line in the sand at some point, then there are no boundaries.

And I believe this for celebrities, other royal fans, Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc. We all have the right to privacy. Heck.....even animals in a zoo get more privacy than public figures.

Compared to other royals, celebrities etc, I don't think they had that much to complain about with their mediacode.
They give half an hour in the winter and half an hour in the summer with their annual photoshoots and they are left alone for the rest of the year if they stay in the Netherlands.
I just think it wasn't necessary to make all this fuss about these few pictures.

lucien · #**158** 08-31-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cdm

Compared to other royals, celebrities etc, I don't think they had that much to complain about with their mediacode.
They give half an hour in the winter and half an hour in the summer with their annual photoshoots and they are left alone for the rest of the year if they stay in the Netherlands.
I just think it wasn't necessary to make all this fuss about these few pictures.

It wasn't a fuss,and if they wouldn't have taken action now and allowed the pics it would have had the finger and the arm effect meaning there wouldn't have been a boundary in sight for decades does giving in to an already way to spoilt " press people things".

Btw,the ruling was according to the European Law on Human Rights,not the media code.in case someone missed that....

Turkish Delight · #**159** 08-31-2009, 02:50 PM

News Summary Royalblog.nl: Dutch royals express joy over court victory

**Marengo** · #**160** 09-01-2009, 09:30 AM

A rather well written article by Daniela Hooghiemstra in the NRC. Hooghiemstra is the co-author of several royalty books and she is a well respected journalist, dispite comments otherwise on several royalty boards:

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A crown prince has duties as well as privileges

Published: 31 August 2009 15:13 | Changed: 31 August 2009 16:59

Of course, crown prince Willem-Alexander has a right to privacy. But to demand that the freedom of the press should be suspended when it comes to his family is worrisome coming from a future king.
By Daniela Hooghiemstra

Two weeks ago, in a personal letter to the court, Dutch crown prince Willem-Alexander complained about the presence of photographers during vacations in Italy as a child. "Sailing on my grandfather's yacht was never fun for us. You never knew if you were being spied on through a telephoto lens."
The letter, which clearly came from the future king's heart, made a compelling appeal to compassion: doesn't everyone have the right to live a normal life?
Yet, in the same letter, Willem-Alexander admitted that it was his privilege to grow up "in an environment which closely resembled that of other children". Indeed, of all the successors to the Dutch crown Willem-Alexander is the one who has enjoyed the most freedom as a child. He went to a 'normal' school, had a 'normal' college life with 'normal' friends, and he was allowed to do all the things that 'normal' people his age did.
Everything was so normal that one would almost forget that Willem-Alexander was a member of a special family, with special privileges. Normal children do not live in a palace, have lackeys or are tutored by renowned university professors. They do not get to fly over the country in their very own plane. So it seems that 'normal' applied mostly to the princes' duties, not to his privileges.

Read the entire article here.

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What especially struck me is that the author remarked how very different Willem-Alexander's approach is from hsi grandmother's, who even at her enthronement remarked: 'Who am I to be allowed to do this?'. The prince indeed seems to forget that all the immense privileges are thanks to his position too, he could show some modesty in his eternal complaining, nagging, law suits etc.

Another interesting observation:

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In the lives of the three 19th-century kings, and those of queens Wilhelmina, Juliana and Beatrix in the 20th century, public duties prevailed over private interest in the end.
Although they enjoyed many privileges, the lives of Willem-Alexander's predecessors were all characterised by personal sacrifice. Willem-Alexander is the first for whom the balance is tipping the other way. And so far he has always made it clear that as far as he's concerned his private interests come first.

And another one:

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Whenever a sacrifice is asked on his part he puts his foot down. When he wanted to become a member of the International Olympic Committee, which at the time was at the centre of a fraud scandal. When it turned out that his future father-in-law, Jorge Zorreguieta, was a member of the dictatorial regime of general Jorge Videla (1976-1983), he was scornful about the public debate that followed. "Who am I to be put through all this?" he seemed to wonder.

That didn't keep him from fully enjoying the benefits of his hereditary function. Together with his Argentinian wife Máxima he has thrown himself at the glamour, the adventure, the exotic travel and the international party scene that come with being royalty .