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That would be interesting- the social media pages of both men do not give any indication that they have issue.
Wasn't it public that Martín had divorced Mariana many years ago.
Even Juan's FB page is very "bachelor-like"- it could very well be that both men take very good care to keep their families off social media.

It would've been good for the AAA princesses to have had cousins their age to grow up in tandem with-to always have a link with their mother's motherland.
They have lots of cousins in their age group on their father's side of the family:

Amalia - 2003
Alexia - 2005
Ariane - 2007

Cousins:
Eloise - 2002
Claus - 2004
Luana - 2005
Leonore - 2006
Zaria - 2006
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It seems Argentina is one of the few countries in Latin-America that officially uses only one surname while the second surname is used by many in social situations.
From the linked article:
"Generally speaking, Argentine family names usually consist of a single, paternal surname.[1]
The first sentence includes the source "Kiss, Bow, Or Shake Hands: The Bestselling Guide to Doing Business in More Than 60 Countries" by Morrison, Terri and Conaway, Wayne A. (24 July 2006).
However, due to the large number of people of Spanish descent, many Argentines still use the surnames of both parents."
This sentence does not include a source, but if true, it seems to apply to people descended from other Spanish-speaking countries (most of which, unlike Argetina, use the double name convention).


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There are sites with all surnames in full.
There are many sites which produce factual errors. Unless the sites provide confirmation, I would take the word of Máxima and her family over an anonymous website in regard to her own name, particularly since it accords with the Argentine naming convention of using only one surname.

Note that although it is legally possible for parents to assign their child a double surname, a single surname remains the default rule under the Argentine Civil Code.
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[indent] However, due to the large number of people of Spanish descent, many Argentines still use the surnames of both parents."[/indent]
This is not necessary true I lived there for 20 something years and I never saw that. Women when get married add to their name the surname of the husband and the word "de" for me this is very primitive, it is this woman is belong to this man....For example: Anna Maria Lopez "de" Martinez. But the normal is their kids will be just Martinez.
And I will take always more the word of Maxima than anything else in the internet.
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Old 02-21-2021, 04:03 PM
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No I meant Argentine cousins. It would be good if the princesses had Argentine cousins their age-to go through life to stay connected to their mother's homeland.
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They have lots of cousins in their age group on their father's side of the family:

Amalia - 2003
Alexia - 2005
Ariane - 2007

Cousins:
Eloise - 2002
Claus - 2004
Luana - 2005
Leonore - 2006
Zaria - 2006
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According to press reports Queen Máxima's uncle, her mother's brother, Jorge Horacio Cerruti has died aged 76 in San Nicolas on April 29. He was suffering from cancer but died of an Covid 19 infection. Jorge Horacio Cerruti was buried in the family grace in Buenos Aires on May 1. Queen Máxima couldn't attend due to the Corona restrictions.


** libelle article: Oom van koningin Máxima overleden aan gevolgen corona **


** bunte article: Máxima der Niederlande Corona-Schock: Sie trauert um ein Familienmitglied **
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:36 AM
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May he rest in peace and extra sad for the queen who could not attend the family funeral due to the pandemic.
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The Corona restrictions are very strict . You have to do 10 days of quarantine when you arrive even if you have a negative test results. What it make it impossible for her to go under the circumstance. And to make matters worst you always have an stupid person that try to trick the system, yesterday arrived from Miami a person with a false results of test aand by the scanner they have he has the corona , he is in quarantine and face jail time. Also are only allow 4 planes a day no more than 2000 people can arrive to the international airport. So this kind of acts made the restrictions even more , I am not sure how close Maxima was with his uncle but even if she wanted to go it would had been impossible for her!
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According media Queen Máxima did spend long summer holidays with her uncle in Pergamino, the lush countryside homeland of her maternal family. Her late uncle Jorge was a landowner, a veterinary internal medicine specialist, a keen player of polo (which is a favourite sport in Máxima's maternal family).
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La Nacion has a photograph of the short obituaries. For some reason they use 'de' Zorreguieta for Máxima's mother.

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo...s-nid03052021/
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:39 AM
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La Nacion has a photograph of the short obituaries. For some reason they use 'de' Zorreguieta for Máxima's mother.

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo...s-nid03052021/



Yes that is strange, in the announcements I see married ladies being named with their married surname while I thought it would be like Spain: the women keep their surname.
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:53 AM
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It is even weirder: for her sisters they use 'C' to refer to Cerruti but for her the C refers to 'Carmen':

María del C de Zorreguieta (in full: María del Carmen Cerruti de Zorreguieta; so I would have expected María del Carmen C de Zorreguieta; that would have been consistent with the naming pattern for her sisters)
María Rita C de Azlor (in full: María Rita Cerruti de Azlor)
María Marcela C (in full: María Marcela Cerruti; princess Alexia was named after her)
María Cecilia C de Coronel (in full: María Cecilia Cerruti de Coronel)
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It is even weirder: for her sisters they use 'C' to refer to Cerruti but for her the C refers to 'Carmen':

María del C de Zorreguieta (in full: María del Carmen Cerruti de Zorreguieta; so I would have expected María del Carmen C de Zorreguieta; that would have been consistent with the naming pattern for her sisters)
María Rita C de Azlor (in full: María Rita Cerruti de Azlor)
María Marcela C (in full: María Marcela Cerruti; princess Alexia was named after her)
María Cecilia C de Coronel (in full: María Cecilia Cerruti de Coronel)

Yes, that is inconsequent indeed.

Apparently Argentina has not the same policy as Spain: in Argentina married women can be addressed with their husband's surname.
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In Argentina (and most of Iberoamerican countries) married women join their husband's surname to their own while getting married:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...Argentina#List
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Old 05-07-2021, 09:13 AM
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There is a new unauthorized biography on the Spanish-speaking market: Máxima. La construccíon de una reina by Rodolfo Vera Calderón and María Paula Galloni:

https://books.apple.com/nl/book/m%C3...a/id1564342588

The authors review -in detail- the life of Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti before her marriage, including her studies at the select Northlands College in Buenos Aires and her links in haute société, her university studies in Argentina. The authors conclude that Máxima's personal and professional career has always been carefully planned to move forward in social circles.

Máxima's father, Jorge Zorreguieta Stefanini, paid for her housing, studies and "socially desirable necessities" (like a subscription to the Opera in Buenos Aires, the place to mingle with the who-is-who) but refused to bear the cost of her (apparently costly) outings, which was why Máxima started to give private lessons to children.

According the authors Máxima's first fiancé was Federico de Álzaga whom owns Arcano, a jewelry and horloge atelier in Buenos Aires. Queen Máxima is seen in items from Arcano: gold earrings, necklace, bracelet and ring from Arcano: https://artear-tn-prod.cdn.arcpublis...UM4OVW2VTA.jpg.

After a first job with Mercado Abierto S.A., Máxima continued her career at Boston Securities in Buenos Aires where she was in charge of the sale of shares and government bonds. Following the devaluation of the national currency, Máxima understood that her professional future was in New York, a financial center. The relationship with Federico de Álzaga came to an end when the young man refused to leave Argentina, joining Máxima.

When Máxima arrived in Manhattan, she could count on her formidable network to find housing. Her friend Raúl Sánchez-Elia, then married to Lucrecia Botin (from a wealthy Spanish banking family) opened the doors to the most elegant parties in the sumptuous mansions of the Hamptons.

Máxima started to work with Credit Suisse and shared a flat with two other young women in an apartment in Chelsea, New York. It was in the summer of 1996 that she began a sentimental relationship with Orlando Muyshondt, a banker from a wealthy Belgian/El Salvadorian family, but the young man's parents quickly vetoed them, believing that Máxima was not "the woman he needs".

Máxima continued her professional ascent and every new step was one higher. She left Credit Suisse to take on the role of Vice President of Institutional Sales for South America at HSBC James Capel and then at Desdner Kleinwort Benson where she trained in microcredits as Vice President of Emerging Markets.

In 1999, Máxima joined Deutsche Bank in New York. According the authors she briefly saw a young British nobleman. In the spring of 1999, she received an invitation to go and spend a few days at the Feria in Seville in the most exclusive casetas (sort of pavillions) there.

Cynthia Kaufmann, a former classmate from Northlands, initiated this invitation. In first instance Máxima declined because she was unable to leave Manhattan and this sudden getaway to Europe was a firm blow to her finances, but her friend urged her to come and made the offer to pay her expenses. The authors claim that Cynthia Kaufmann would have informed Máxima of the presence of two good parties: the Prince of Orange and the Crown Prince of Denmark ().

This is how Máxima met the future King of the Netherlands, whom she married on February 2, 2002 after a very heated controversy over her family's past under the dictatorship. In the meantime, Queen Beatrix entrusted a close friend Ottoline Antoinette Gaarlandt-van Voorst van Beest (one of her Hofdames) with the task of preparing Máxima for her future within the royal family. By the time of the engagement announcement in the spring of 2001, Máxima was on top of her game and surprised everyone with her ability in Dutch language which allowed her to quickly win the hearts of her future compatriots.
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The authors claim that Cynthia Kaufmann would have informed Máxima of the presence of two good parties: the Prince of Orange and the Crown Prince of Denmark ().
This is interesting. But was Prince Frederik also at the Feria in Seville?
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This is interesting. But was Prince Frederik also at the Feria in Seville?
No idea, this would mean Prince Frederik knows Máxima as long as King Willem-Alexander. All I know is that they met in the caseta of the Real Club de Andalucía / "El Aero".

Un Club de recreo, que sin duda en la actualidad es uno de los más exclusivos y distinguidos de España.

S. M. El Rey Alfonso XIII, S. M. El Rey Felipe VI, S. M. El Rey Guillermo-Alejandro de los Países Bajos, El Principe de Ligne y El Archiduque Karl de Austria entre otras personalidades son o han sido sus socios de Honor, y siete Alcaldes de Sevilla entre otras muchas personalidades han sido socios de número.
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There is a new unauthorized biography on the Spanish-speaking market: Máxima. La construccíon de una reina by Rodolfo Vera Calderón and María Paula Galloni:

https://books.apple.com/nl/book/m%C3...a/id1564342588

The authors review -in detail- the life of Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti before her marriage, including her studies at the select Northlands College in Buenos Aires and her links in haute société, her university studies in Argentina. The authors conclude that Máxima's personal and professional career has always been carefully planned to move forward in social circles.

Máxima's father, Jorge Zorreguieta Stefanini, paid for her housing, studies and "socially desirable necessities" (like a subscription to the Opera in Buenos Aires, the place to mingle with the who-is-who) but refused to bear the cost of her (apparently costly) outings, which was why Máxima started to give private lessons to children.

According the authors Máxima's first fiancé was Federico de Álzaga whom owns Arcano, a jewelry and horloge atelier in Buenos Aires. Queen Máxima is seen in items from Arcano: gold earrings, necklace, bracelet and ring from Arcano: https://artear-tn-prod.cdn.arcpublis...UM4OVW2VTA.jpg.

After a first job with Mercado Abierto S.A., Máxima continued her career at Boston Securities in Buenos Aires where she was in charge of the sale of shares and government bonds. Following the devaluation of the national currency, Máxima understood that her professional future was in New York, a financial center. The relationship with Federico de Álzaga came to an end when the young man refused to leave Argentina, joining Máxima.

When Máxima arrived in Manhattan, she could count on her formidable network to find housing. Her friend Raúl Sánchez-Elia, then married to Lucrecia Botin (from a wealthy Spanish banking family) opened the doors to the most elegant parties in the sumptuous mansions of the Hamptons.

Máxima started to work with Credit Suisse and shared a flat with two other young women in an apartment in Chelsea, New York. It was in the summer of 1996 that she began a sentimental relationship with Orlando Muyshondt, a banker from a wealthy Belgian/El Salvadorian family, but the young man's parents quickly vetoed them, believing that Máxima was not "the woman he needs".

Máxima continued her professional ascent and every new step was one higher. She left Credit Suisse to take on the role of Vice President of Institutional Sales for South America at HSBC James Capel and then at Desdner Kleinwort Benson where she trained in microcredits as Vice President of Emerging Markets.

In 1999, Máxima joined Deutsche Bank in New York. According the authors she briefly saw a young British nobleman. In the spring of 1999, she received an invitation to go and spend a few days at the Feria in Seville in the most exclusive casetas (sort of pavillions) there.

Cynthia Kaufmann, a former classmate from Northlands, initiated this invitation. In first instance Máxima declined because she was unable to leave Manhattan and this sudden getaway to Europe was a firm blow to her finances, but her friend urged her to come and made the offer to pay her expenses. The authors claim that Cynthia Kaufmann would have informed Máxima of the presence of two good parties: the Prince of Orange and the Crown Prince of Denmark ().

This is how Máxima met the future King of the Netherlands, whom she married on February 2, 2002 after a very heated controversy over her family's past under the dictatorship. In the meantime, Queen Beatrix entrusted a close friend Ottoline Antoinette Gaarlandt-van Voorst van Beest (one of her Hofdames) with the task of preparing Máxima for her future within the royal family. By the time of the engagement announcement in the spring of 2001, Máxima was on top of her game and surprised everyone with her ability in Dutch language which allowed her to quickly win the hearts of her future compatriots.
She is a very ambitious woman, Maxima received excellent education and she had worked hard. I don't' see that there is anything wrong with that.
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Interesting summary of the Argentinian book, thanks for that. Most is new to me as her love life before WA was a well-kept secret. I am not sure how serious the reporters are & how much value we can attach to their stories. How do they know what happened in a private conversation between Máxima and Cynthia Kaufmann for example. It is not likely eithe rof the two spoke to the authors.

It seems Mr. Calderon is working for Hola! Argentina, not a very serious magazine one would say. At least it is not pretending to be anything other than a gossip-book perhaps.

As for the Danish crown prince: didn't Máxima say that when they visited Sevilla to celebrate the 20th anniversary of their meeting they invited the people that were with them that night. The crown prince of Denmark was not at the anniversary - at least it does not confirm the story.

I don't think the rather more serious economist/journalist/presenter/diplomat (multi-talent? ) Marcia Luyten has paid much attention to this part of Máxima's life in the new biography 'Moederland'. But I have not seen any news items about that book, apart from it beeing released, so it must contain little new. It seems Luyten studies the Argentinian background more in terms of history, politics and class. I can't imagine her descending from the Mount Olympus to share some gossips with her readers.

The Argentinian book is ironic as the NOS announced a programme with Dionne Stax where Stax will research how 'an average girl from Argentina' could go into the most popular member of the RF. I saw lots of jokes on twitter about that headline, and the summary of the book confirms that once again.

https://www.avrotros.nl/over-avrotro...ningin-maxima/
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Given that among the wives of the 7 Dutch (i.e., Orange-Nassau) princes there were 3 daughters of ministers; I'd say, we can safely say that few 'average girls' marry into the royal family.
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This is interesting. But was Prince Frederik also at the Feria in Seville?
I'd be very surprised if he had the time. He had a busy week with engagements such as the School Olympics, a training camp for kids to prepare for the Royal run, an awards ceremony, an annual celebratory gala at the University of Aarhus and the funeral of the three children of a close friend who had been killed in a terrorist attack in Sri Lanka.
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