Princess Máxima's Future Title - Page 8

Henri M. · #**141** 08-08-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by principessa

I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.

No one is forbidden to follow the tradition and to adress Máxima as 'De Prinses van Oranje' or, later, as 'De Koningin'.

The Court, the State and all official instutions however do follow the official style. It is always and ever 'Hunne Koninklijke Hoogheden de Prins van Oranje en prinses Máxima der Nederlanden'.

Never 'Hunne Koninklijke Hoogheden de Prins en Prinses van Oranje' as tradition wants. But you can do that, if you wants to keep the tradition alive.

Henri M. · #**142** 08-08-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by principessa

I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.

No one is forbidden to follow the tradition and to adress Máxima as 'de Prinses van Oranje' or, later, as 'de Koningin'.

The Court, the State and all official instutions however do follow the official style.
It is always and ever 'de Prins van Oranje en prinses Máxima der Nederlanden'.

Never 'de Prins en Prinses van Oranje' as tradition wants. But you can do that, if you wants to keep the tradition alive. Also in the future, if they follow the Royal House Act 2002 and treat all Consorts the same, be it male or female.

Princess Robijn · #**143** 08-08-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

Lalla Salma even has no title at all.

Isn't she a Princess with the style of Royal Highness?

Henri M. · #**144** 08-08-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

Isn't she a Princess with the style of Royal Highness?

Lalla' is comparable with the Italian 'Donna' or the English 'Lady', I have understood. She does have the predicate 'Sa Altesse Royale' however, indicating her status.

The official site uses for the King and his family:

Sa Majesté le Roi Mohammed VI
Sa Altesse Royale Lalla Salma, épouse du Roi
Son Altesse Royale le Prince Moulay Hassan
Sa Altesse Royale Lalla Khadija

On Wikipedia it is claimed that she was granted the title 'Princess'. But the official site says just 'Lalla'. Like the other ladies (Lalla Meryem, Lalla Asma, Lalla Hasna).

Empress · #**145** 08-20-2007, 09:37 PM

I have a feeling that this is one of those cases where something is lost in translation. I would be willing to bet that Lalla is simply one of those words whose meaning can not be accurately translated, and so we end up with a best possible translation.

lucien · #**146** 08-21-2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Empress

I have a feeling that this is one of those cases where something is lost in translation. I would be willing to bet that Lalla is simply one of those words whose meaning can not be accurately translated, and so we end up with a best possible translation.

Lalla does mean Princess,nothing else,that is all.It really does.Not a Lady nor a Donna,Princess.It is us westerners that are wrong in thinking Lalla is a first name,but in Lalla land it is a Princess.You just lost your bet...

(Btw,it is Lalla Salma's hubby's 44th birthday today)

Henri M. · #**147** 08-21-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lucien

Lalla does mean Princess,nothing else,that is all.It really does.Not a Lady nor a Donna,Princess.It is us westerners that are wrong in thinking Lalla is a first name,but in Lalla land it is a Princess.You just lost your bet...

(Btw,it is Lalla Salma's hubby's 44th birthday today)

Lalla is definitely no Princess. It means something as 'the (most) revered Dame' and that is closest to 'Lady' or 'Donna'.

So it is, litterally translated:

His Majesty King Mohammed VI
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Salma, spouse of The King
His Royal Highness Prince Moulay Hassan
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Khadija
and
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Meryem
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Asma
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Hasna

Empress · #**148** 01-31-2008, 09:40 AM

So anyway, has there been any decision on this matter within the court or within the Netherlands? This just came up in the Camilla title thread, and I posted that I thought that Maxima would be titled Queen. Does anyone have any further news on the subject?

lucien · #**149** 01-31-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Empress

So anyway, has there been any decision on this matter within the court or within the Netherlands? This just came up in the Camilla title thread, and I posted that I thought that Maxima would be titled Queen. Does anyone have any further news on the subject?

No decision has been taken,and the issue is simply not opportune.Máxima,no doubt in my mind,as well as many others,will be styled HM Queen Máxima once Alexander takes over.No one,really,no-one will oppose that.

Camilla,same story but I refrain from posting on that thread.She's entitled to be known as HM Queen Camilla.The brits better get used to it,and leave the false emotions where they belong,in the dustbin.

Al that "what if " bruhaha is really a lot of noice about absolutely nothing by a handfull on the forum that do not matter in that decision at all.Sorry..

Iain · #**150** 02-01-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lucien

No decision has been taken,and the issue is simply not opportune.Máxima,no doubt in my mind,as well as many others,will be styled HM Queen Máxima once Alexander takes over.No one,really,no-one will oppose that.

Camilla,same story but I refrain from posting on that thread.She's entitled to be known as HM Queen Camilla.The brits better get used to it,and leave the false emotions where they belong,in the dustbin.

Al that "what if " bruhaha is really a lot of noice about absolutely nothing by a handfull on the forum that do not matter in that decision at all.Sorry..

Well said on both counts!

dazzling · #**151** 05-15-2011, 02:43 AM

Sorry if this has to go somewhere else

Princess Maxima will be Queen, parliament confirms
article

another article here and here

Madame Royale · #**152** 05-15-2011, 03:20 AM

I'd like Beatrix to buck the trend and remain Queen until she dies. She's a warm and charitable woman, not least of all a great Queen. But, I am a mere foreigner so...

Great news re Maxima though!

Lumutqueen · #**153** 05-15-2011, 08:55 AM

What a nice birthday present.

Saragli · #**154** 05-15-2011, 09:38 AM

Idea makes a lot of sense in a modern gender equal world, but I for one am very happy we will have a Queen Maxima one day!

Duke of Marmalade · #**155** 05-15-2011, 10:50 AM

Does this come as a surprise as all of Maxima's peers will bear the title of Queen consort one day (Britain is a special situation, remains to be seen)? So do all "reigning" European Queen consorts.

In terms of a modern equal world, I am waiting for Daniel to become King consort but unlikely to happen

Provided that Beatrix will abdicate, how will she be known? Queem Mum?

Charlotte_Aster · #**156** 05-15-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

Provided that Beatrix will abdicate, how will she be known? Queem Mum?

Her mother Queen Juliana reverted to her former title, namely Princes Julianna. So did Queen Wilhelmina.

**Stefan** · #**157** 05-15-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

Does this come as a surprise as all of Maxima's peers will bear the title of Queen consort one day (Britain is a special situation, remains to be seen)? So do all "reigning" European Queen consorts.

In terms of a modern equal world, I am waiting for Daniel to become King consort but unlikely to happen

Provided that Beatrix will abdicate, how will she be known? Queem Mum?

According to the law of the membership of the Royal House a former reigning monarch will be Prince/Princess. I agreet that in terms of gender equality a husband of a reigning Queen should be King-Consort instead of Prince.
But it seems that not even in Spain this will happen with a husband of a possible Queen Leonor contrary to the tradition as Spain had King-Consorts in the past.

kathia_sophia · #**158** 05-15-2011, 08:06 PM

wow wonderful!!! i wonder when this will actually happen? it has to happen to a crown prince first, and it looks like it will be W&M YAY!!! maybe it will be like a fever, you know, the weddings and engagements were annouced year after year as so was the pregnacies. finally is the last step, the enthournement!!!
maybe next year???? after the Queen 40 years of rule.

about the prince-consort thing. i always thought it was a bit unfair. BUT at the same time, the name KING is way superior to the name QUEEN, so it would not make sense to name the male consort above the queen ruler. so my ultimate ideia was to be like Morocco, a King ruler and his wife the princess consort.
King +wife= princess consort
Queen +husband= prince consort
this way it would make more right and not discriminating

dazzling · #**159** 05-17-2011, 07:46 AM

Here is an article & a picture gallery about Maxima getting the title Queen

Kronprinsesse Maxima bliver dronning
BB article ** Translated

NGalitzine · #**160** 01-03-2012, 05:58 PM

On another message board the suggestion was made by a poster that Maxima deliberately acts to overshadow Queen Beatrix and will be very disappointed if the Queen does not abdicate in favor of WA but instead chooses to reign for life.
Is this a generally held opinion in The Netherlands? I was under the impression that both the Queen and Princess Maxima are really quite popular and that they have quite a good relationship.