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Old 07-05-2020, 07:13 AM
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Smoking is discouraged in the Netherlands as well: commercials for smoking aren't allowed, in stores tobacco can't be visible for sale (so locked in a cabinet or something).
But just to be clear, P.Alexia isn't doing anything *illegal* by smoking in this country.
Would there be consequences for the person supplying cigarettes to someone under 18? It is the same in Victoria, in that while it is not *illegal* to smoke when under 18, if someone is caught purchasing for or supplying cigarettes to someone underage, they will be fined.
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Old 07-05-2020, 07:26 AM
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The smoking policy is the same as drinking: purchase under 18 is not allowed but it is not illegal to smoke or drink at 16. In contrary to portrayals in American media of Europe being under a suffocating socialist dictatorship rule without any freedoms and liberties left, in the end anyone has an individual choice and an own responsibility.

I never said it was illegal for her to smoke. I said it was illegal for her to buy cigarettes or, equivalently, for someone to sell her cigarettes without first verifying that she is over 18. The same is true in the US: tobacco is not a banned substance for people of any age, but there are strict regulations about selling or suppying tobacco (or alcohol for that matter) to minors.
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:33 AM
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Would there be consequences for the person supplying cigarettes to someone under 18? It is the same in Victoria, in that while it is not *illegal* to smoke when under 18, if someone is caught purchasing for or supplying cigarettes to someone underage, they will be fined.
https://www.rokeninfo.nl/wet/sigaret...r-minderjarige

"Whoever buys the tobacco for a younger person is not punishable. However, if the seller can know that they are for a young person under the age of 18, he must refuse to sell. Otherwise he is punishable."

so it's the seller who runs the risk of punishment, not the buyer.
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:16 AM
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https://www.rokeninfo.nl/wet/sigaret...r-minderjarige

"Whoever buys the tobacco for a younger person is not punishable. However, if the seller can know that they are for a young person under the age of 18, he must refuse to sell. Otherwise he is punishable."

so it's the seller who runs the risk of punishment, not the buyer.

Do you think Alexia buys her cigarettes (assuming she smokes) directly from vendors, in which case the seller is punishable (since he/she is selling to someone who he/she clearly knows is under 18) or does someone else buy them for her, in which case the seller may not be punishable (as he/she has no way to know whom the cigarettes are intended for), but there is at least an ethical (if not legal) issue involved with the intermediate as he/she is initentionally and consciously trying to circumvent the law ?



By the way, again, that is similar I guess to what happens in the States; the seller, not the underage buyer, is the one who is punished/fined. The only difference is that a third-party that operates as an intermediate/ supplier to the minor (even for free) is also punishable, I think, in most states if he does so intentionally (or at least I think he is; I am not a lawyer).



It would be a bigger embarassment if it turns out that someone inside the Royal Household is the supplier. I think that used to happen in the case of the Prince of Wales' sons, who also got cigarettes from Royal Household staff (long-term royal watchers may confirm that; I didn't follow them when they were kids).


Maybe the mods could please move this discussion to "Royals who smoke".
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:29 AM
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personally i don't really care where she or her friends get their cigarettes (for all we know they nick their parents' stash) and i don't care if she smokes

like my dad always said to me when i was a teen "you are the one who decides to take up smoking, it'd be pretty stupid if you did, but it's your decision"
(he smoked since he was 13 and quit cold turkey at 75)

(please note that in this country smoking weed also isn't illegal )
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Old 07-05-2020, 10:38 AM
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Many teenagers have a period of experimenting with smoking, using soft drugs and drinking. None of all this is illegal in the Netherlands. Every adolescent will know where mum and dad keep the booze, the fag and the pot.
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