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Old 05-21-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair View Post
Des Kaisers neue Kleider.
Meines Vaters Haus.

Therefore a Dutchman would say in German:
"Die neue Kleider von der Kaiser"
"Das Haus von mein Vater"
Actually, in today's "street German" you'd actually hear:
"Die neuen Kleider vom Kaiser."
"Das Haus von meinem Vater."

The grammatically correct forms "des Kaisers", "meines Vaters" are less and less heard nowadays. "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." <--- Idiom and also a book title describing the decline of correct grammar in German.

@topic: I am still intrigued by this tour. Has it ever occurred before, that a monarch is touring a foreign country so systematically? It almost feels like His Majesty is considering Germany as his country, too. Has he any say in this tour or has that been a "government order"? I mean, I'm not complaining. I enjoyed the opportunity to see Their Majesties in Wiesbaden a couple of years ago.

best wishes Michiru

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Old 05-21-2019, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair View Post
German is difficult for Dutch to speak because of the complicated grammar. In Dutch we knew the genitive too but almost all genitives have been simplified by using the datif with "van". In German however the genitive is is still very much alive in daily speech.

Des Kaisers neue Kleider.
Meines Vaters Haus.

Old-fashioned Dutch:
De nieuwe kleren des keizers.
Het huis mijns vaders.

Modern Dutch:
De nieuwe kleren van de Keizer.
Het huis van mijn vader.

Therefore a Dutchman would say in German:
"Die neue Kleider von der Kaiser"
"Das Haus von mein Vater"

which may sound very odd in German ears (but still understandable).


We can see it at the Court too:
Kabinet des Konings has become Kabinet van de Koning.

Or in the magistrature:
In naam des Konings! has become In naam van de Koning!


Dutchmen raised in ye oldfashioned Dutch grammar before 1945 should not have too much problems with German.
Isn’t it still technically correct though to say “ het huis mijns Vaders” in Dutch ? I suppose sentences like that are common in the Dutch Bible for example.

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Old 05-21-2019, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mbruno View Post
Isn’t it still technically correct though to say “ het huis mijns Vaders” in Dutch ? I suppose sentences like that are common in the Dutch Bible for example.
It is absolutely correct but very oldfashioned. Former Prime Minister Van Agt was (and still) is known for his archaïc language. He himself said about his oldfashioned Dutch: "I know it is markant (distinctive) enough to épater (overbluff) people and to irritate others. It is an expression of a certain vanity but also pleasing to portray oneself".

Queen Beatrix had another style too. She was heard saying in disapproval: "hoe onhebbelijk!" ("how indecent!"). King Willem-Alexander would never use that word.
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:14 PM
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I first learned Dutch at school - it's certainly the easiest language to learn for most Germans. But we only speak about the basics here - to really master it is as difficult as any other language IMO.
I once saw a German guy and a German woman speaking to each other for about 5 minutes. Both thougt that the other spoke his/her own native language when in fact both tried to speak the other language. It was pretty fun to hear I would love more German and Dutch people to try to understand the other language - with a little practice and good will we wouldn't really need English.

I really like the German state tours of the king and queen. It's a clever move - because high profile visits are pretty special for most of the visited cities and states they are well covered in the regional media.
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Old 05-22-2019, 03:31 AM
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