Death of Inés Zorreguieta, Queen Máxima's Sister: June 5, 2018 - Page 5

Katymcwaity · #81 06-09-2018, 06:44 AM

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I read somewhere that the funeral needs to take place within 48 hours according to Argentinian law. In Máxima's father's case they had to apply for an extension.

In the Netherlands at least 36 hours need to have passed before the funeral or cremation can take place; and at the latest it should be on the 6th business day. In practice, about 5 (normal) days seems quite common.

Thanks. Its interesting how different things are around the world.

ashelen · #82 06-09-2018, 12:50 PM

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I read somewhere that the funeral needs to take place within 48 hours according to Argentinian law. In Máxima's father's case they had to apply for an extension.

In the Netherlands at least 36 hours need to have passed before the funeral or cremation can take place; and at the latest it should be on the 6th business day. In practice, about 5 (normal) days seems quite common.

This is correct, it is not custom in Argentina to keep bodies in freezers, it has to be done between the 48 hours , I suppose it has to do with decomposition of a body and smell? and the fact that normally is open casket and people come to pay respect to the desease and the family.

carlota · #83 06-09-2018, 01:10 PM

glad to see they were given respect to mourn in peace.

i saw ariane (?) in one of the pictures looking quite upset. i imagine ines was close to them being the youngest of their aunts/uncles.

the video of ines singing is beautiful - she had a lovely singing voice.

HereditaryPrincess · #84 06-09-2018, 05:39 PM

It was lovely of the siblings and nieces to sing, I doubt that I would have been able to perform in public in the tragic circumstances.
I'm also glad the DRF were able to mourn relatively privately. I remember at Friso's funeral the photos were more intrusively taken, zooming right in on the AAA's and Zaria and Luana.

carlota · #85 06-09-2018, 08:06 PM

the media is reporting that ines was a psychologist and she did her final dissertation on the effect of gender on suicide. she concluded that women were more likely to seek mental health help than men.

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glad to see they were given respect to mourn in peace.

i saw ariane (?) in one of the pictures looking quite upset. i imagine ines was close to them being the youngest of their aunts/uncles.

the video of ines singing is beautiful - she had a lovely singing voice.

it appears it was alexia who was crying and being consoled by some family friends:
https://www.bekia.es/celebrities/fot...s-zorreguieta/

nice to see that the princesses are close to their mum's family and to their mum's friends.

a better picture of WA and maxima is below:
https://img.bekia.es/galeria/129000/...reguieta_m.jpg

it appears that it is alexia, or maybe amalia, next to maxima on the picture looking visibly upset again.

**Somebody** · #86 06-09-2018, 09:28 PM

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It was lovely of the siblings and nieces to sing, I doubt that I would have been able to perform in public in the tragic circumstances.
I'm also glad the DRF were able to mourn relatively privately. I remember at Friso's funeral the photos were more intrusively taken, zooming right in on the AAA's and Zaria and Luana.

The main difference is that Friso was a prince and son of the queen while Inés was a completely private citizen who happened to have a very famous sister. So, allowing the Dutch people to mourn with their royal family for the loss of one of our princes made sense while taking pictures at this funeral doesn't.

Another important difference in mourning is that Friso had been in a coma for about 2 1/2 years when he died and the family knew his life was coming to an end at the not so distant future, so mourning had been taking place for quite some time, still hard byt different. This is raw, they only heard on Thursday morning that their aunt whom they most likely had fun with less than two weeks ago had taken her own life and they had to fly to Argentina that same evening to bury her the next day.

HereditaryPrincess · #87 06-10-2018, 08:24 AM

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The main difference is that Friso was a prince and son of the queen while Inés was a completely private citizen who happened to have a very famous sister. So, allowing the Dutch people to mourn with their royal family for the loss of one of our princes made sense while taking pictures at this funeral doesn't.

Another important difference in mourning is that Friso had been in a coma for about 2 1/2 years when he died and the family knew his life was coming to an end at the not so distant future, so mourning had been taking place for quite some time, still hard byt different. This is raw, they only heard on Thursday morning that their aunt whom they most likely had fun with less than two weeks ago had taken her own life and they had to fly to Argentina that same evening to bury her the next day.

Yes, I’m aware of the differences between the two situations and I wasn’t against Friso’s funeral being public, since it’s expected given the fact that he was a prince and member of the immediate royal family. It was still an upsetting time for the family regardless so the issue I had was not with the funeral being public but with the way the photographers took the photos of mourning children up close; which I thought I had made clear.
Now is not the time to compare though and I only mentioned Friso because I was glad that Ines’s funeral could be more private given the fact her death had been quite widely reported about.

Mbruno · #88 06-10-2018, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by carlota

the media is reporting that ines was a psychologist and she did her final dissertation on the effect of gender on suicide. she concluded that women were more likely to seek mental health help than men.

it appears it was alexia who was crying and being consoled by some family friends:
https://www.bekia.es/celebrities/fot...s-zorreguieta/

nice to see that the princesses are close to their mum's family and to their mum's friends.

a better picture of WA and maxima is below:
https://img.bekia.es/galeria/129000/...reguieta_m.jpg

it appears that it is alexia, or maybe amalia, next to maxima on the picture looking visibly upset again.

Yes, I am surprised to see how the Dutch princesses were so close to their aunt from Argentina. Apparently, however, Inés was quite often in the Netherlands and Máxima even invited her to live there. If tragedy had not intervened, I could see an arrangement similar to that of Queen Sofía and her sister Irene developing over time.

It must be quite shocking really to lose such a young sister/aunt under those circumstances. My sincere condolences to the Zorreguieta and Orange-Nassau families.

Katymcwaity · #89 06-10-2018, 05:09 PM

Koning in Letland: aangeslagen na overlijden Inés - Royalty Online

King Willem-Alexander speaking about Ines. He looks shattered from both grief and jetlag.

Biri · #90 06-10-2018, 05:52 PM

I am seriously concerned about the mental state of Mrs. Maria del Carmen Zorrequieta; the sight of her daughter hanged (remember that it was SHE who found Ines! Does more horrible experience for a mother exist?) will probably haunt her in nightmares

till the end of her life.

Empress Merel · #91 06-10-2018, 05:58 PM

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Koning in Letland: aangeslagen na overlijden Inés - Royalty Online

King Willem-Alexander speaking about Ines. He looks shattered from both grief and jetlag.

His voice seemed to waver a bit and who can blame him. It's a shame this state visit couldn't be postponed. I'm sure the whole family would appreciate some more alone- and family time.

HereditaryPrincess · #92 06-10-2018, 06:18 PM

I agree that it doesn't seem like the right time for a state visit. I read that Maxima has postponed her engagements for the next month; so they could have done the same with WA given the tragic circumstances and suddenness of Ines's death. Hopefully their calendar will allow for them to rest at home during this time.

**Somebody** · #93 06-10-2018, 07:48 PM

I feel for the king. Not sure how he is going to do three state visits when his heart wants to be home with his wife and children. Duty calls and apparently on Thursday they decided that this was the right course of action but it clearly makes it even harder for the grieving family.

Mbruno · #94 06-10-2018, 09:36 PM

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I feel for the king. Not sure how he is going to do three state visits when his heart wants to be home with his wife and children. Duty calls and apparently on Thursday they decided that this was the right course of action but it clearly makes it even harder for the grieving family.

I think the Baltic countries should have agreed to a postponement of the state visit, I mean, that is probably what other countries like the UK would have done in such circumstances.

To be fair though, the Dutch government probably didn’t ask for a postponement either, which is very insensitive on their part.

lucien · #95 06-11-2018, 01:25 AM

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I think the Baltic countries should have agreed to a postponement of the state visit, I mean, that is probably what other countries like the UK would have done in such circumstances.

To be fair though, the Dutch government probably didn’t ask for a postponement either, which is very insensitive on their part.

Sorry,wrong.

HM the King didn't wish to postpone,life is as it is however difficult,but there's work to do.
HM Queen Máxima next scheduled appointment will be on june 21st.

ashelen · #96 06-11-2018, 11:45 AM

It is so sad a young life is gone and it is a tragedy in any family, I feel for the girls, they are old enough to know she took her own life and this will be a trauma for them, I am sure M&W will do anything in there power to confort the girls.

Regarding him going back to work, what is the law in the Netherlands for a normal person when have a family member passing , how long they can miss work?

Katymcwaity · #97 06-11-2018, 12:51 PM

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Sorry,wrong.

HM the King didn't wish to postpone,life is as it is however difficult,but there's work to do.
HM Queen Máxima next scheduled appointment will be on june 21st.

No doubt months of preparation have gone into the visit and rearranging wouldn’t be easy as hundreds of people must be involved from the Netherlands and the Baltic countries.

Is there maybe some protocol involved too? Whilst Máxima is known as Queen, its only a courtesy thing as her husband is King and he is the main person. So maybe if it had been his sister then they could cancel but can’t as its Máxima’s? Which is incredibly harsh sounding but some protocol is slightly odd.

Whilst Everyone needs time to process whats happened, sometimes too much time to think is also a bad thing.

Duke of Marmalade · #98 06-12-2018, 03:56 AM

Sorry but why should WA cancel this visit? Ok Inez' death is horrific, but she is Maxima's sister and a private citizen. WA went with his wife to the funeral and supported his in laws.
Maxima is taking off some time to grieve and be with her family, what is fine.
But WA is King, life and duty goes on, what is certainly in line with what the family thinks.
I don't see anything insensitive in him not postponing the State Visit but only that the family publicly needs to move on with royal duties, the grieving is now private and it's first and foremost Maxima's matter now.

I guess it would probably be different if this had happened to WA's brother, as it involved matters of State.

M. Payton · #99 06-12-2018, 04:41 AM

Can't believe the harshness of some here, is Ines the sister of Maxima and *just* the sister-in-law of the king so being the sister-in-law is not family or what? Does one have to be a blood relative to have a state visit canceled or what here? I would think the *people* of the country would agree that even a king or queen needs time to grief for a family member and that would mean all duties of such would be put on hold for a while at least. In case some have forgotten *Grief has NOT have a time limit ever*......we each do it in our own time and space regardless of our positions in life. The harshness just astounds me .........cold and heartless but wonder how it would be for a family member of yours........what.......no big deal, time to move on attitude maybe....

Denville · #**100** 06-12-2018, 04:48 AM

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Can't believe the harshness of some here, is Ines the sister of Maxima and *just* the sister-in-law of the king so being the sister-in-law is not family or what? Does one have to be a blood relative to have a state visit canceled or what here? I would think the *people* of the country would agree that even a king or queen needs time to grief for a family member and that would mean all duties of such would be put on hold for a while at least. In case some have forgotten *Grief has NOT have a time limit ever*......we each do it in our own time and space regardless of our positions in life. The harshness just astounds me .........cold and heartless but wonder how it would be for a family member of yours........what.......no big deal, time to move on attitude maybe....

State visits are a big deal involving months of work, expense and organsining.. They aren't cancelled. WA is not doubt sorry that his sister In law has died, but she's not his own family and he has work to do..