Princess Ingrid Alexandra's confirmation: August 31, 2019


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Well, as you know, the NRF LOVES to celebrate milestones. - And after 3 years of large-scale celebrations, there will be another one in 2019.
Because, according to two serious/reliable royal commentators, the court has started to plan Ingrid's confirmation, which will take place either in May or October nest year.

But how will it be done:
1. Will she be confirmated alone in a televised service in The Palace Chapel with foreign royal guests - and a white-tie gala dinner in the evening, which was the case with Haakon in 1988.
2. Will it happen in a private ceremony, which may take place in Asker Church (close to Skaugum), where Märtha & Marius were confirmated.
If that's done, it will probably be to shield the princess from the media, and to allow her to be confimated with some of her friends.
3. Or maybe they will go for something in the middle.

Perhaps someone here has some thoughts about it?

I (for one) have not reflected about it yet.

But remember, all the traditions from Haakon's Christening in 1973 were followed for Ingrid's in 2004. - So there is reason to believe that something similar would be done in this case as well.

The court has now confirmed to NTB (The Norwegian News Agency) that the confirmation will take place in the autumn 2019, no more information was given.

BTW: You can read whom her foreign godparents are (who will hopefully take the time to attend), a bit about the confirmations of CP Haakon and Märtha - and what TV2's serous/reliable Royal Expert, Kjell Arne Totland, has said about next year's plans here.
 
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The court has now confirmed to NTB (The Norwegian News Agency) that the confirmation will take place in the autumn 2019, no more information was given.

BTW: You can read whom her foreign godparents are (who will hopefully take the time to attend), a bit about the confirmations of CP Haakon and Märtha - and what TV2's serous/reliable Royal Expert, Kjell Arne Totland, has said about next year's plans in post 260.

I wouldn't be surprised it this turns out to be a big event. Ingrid Alexandra seems to be able to handle it and the NRF likes to make a clear distinction between the heirs and the others, so why not? And in that way two of her godparents who didn't attend her christening (Frederik & Felipe) can attend an official religious celebration in the life of their goddaughter...
 
It seems as if Confirmation is a very important milestone in Norway. Seeing photos of (what I imagine was her first) gala dress meant it was marked in an extremely memorable way.

Could someone tell me if that is, in fact, the way it is done in Norway as a whole or merely for the royal family?
 
:previous: Thanks eya for the update. Will be looking forward into seeing the photos. It'll be nice to see Alexandra with her godparents as well as her family.
(I also love the photo the NRF used of Alexandra for the announcement - she's blossoming into a gorgeous young lady!).
 
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wow, they really announced that with a lot of anticipation! i wonder who the godparents for the confirmation will be - is it likely the same as the christening ones?


It are the same godparents you don't geed new ones at a confirmation. Lets hope this time all of them will attend. At her christening both Felipe and Frederike where absent.
It will probably be a big affair as at Haakon and Märtha Louise's confirmations there was also a white tie Gala in the evening.
 
Seem that it will be a quite big event! Hope all IA's godparents are able to attend this times. Will they also invite the other counterpart, such as the Dutch or Belgian?
 
wow, they really announced that with a lot of anticipation! i wonder who the godparents for the confirmation will be - is it likely the same as the christening ones?

I understand why it needed to be planned so far in advance and apparently they decided there was little reason not yo announce. Could it be that I-A's friends and classmates will soon be confirmed, so it would be easier for Ingrid-Alexandra thst her confirmation was announced so she could freely talk about it?
 
it seems as if confirmation is a very important milestone in norway. Seeing photos of (what i imagine was her first) gala dress meant it was marked in an extremely memorable way.

Could someone tell me if that is, in fact, the way it is done in norway as a whole or merely for the royal family?
Yes, whether one is confirmed in The Norwegian Church (which is no longer the state-church) or in a humanistic way (which 18% chose to do in 2018), it's celebrated with a big celebratory dinner for the whole family (including grandparents, uncles/aunts, cousins, etc).
And it's VERY common to use bunad (English Wikipedia article - link) if you're female and suit if you're male. ?

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princess ingrid alexandra will be confirmed in the palace chapel at the royal palace on saturday, 31 august 2019.

https://www.royalcourt.no/artikkel.html?tid=167193&sek=113027

https://www.kongehuset.no/artikkel.html?tid=167192&sek=112472
Thanks eya! :flowers:

The Royal House article says that ''The Princess is receiving her confirmation instruction with Asker Church congregation'' (covering Asker municipality, where Skaugum is situated), which mean she will prepare & read for the confirmation together with friends and other youngsters, while at the same time being confirmed alone in The Palace Chapel as her father, grandfather and great-grandfather. (The same model that was chosen for the then Prince Haakon.)

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seem that it will be a quite big event! Hope all ia's godparents are able to attend this times. Will they also invite the other counterpart, such as the dutch or belgian?
I don't' know, but The CP-Couple are personal friends with The Dutch Regent-Couple (and Queen Máxima is godmother to Sverre), so I wouldn't be surprised if they are invited and therefore take the time to attend.
Nor would I be surprised by the attendance of two of The Crown Prince's godparents, QMII and KCXVIG (probably accompanied by Queen Silvia). - And that's due to:
1. The closeness between The Scandinavian Royal Houses.
2. The then CP Harald's godmother, Queen Ingrid, attended the confirmation of the then Prince Haakon in 1988 (along with her daughter and son-in-law).

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i understand why it needed to be planned so far in advance and apparently they decided there was little reason not yo announce. Could it be that i-a's friends and classmates will soon be confirmed, so it would be easier for ingrid-alexandra thst her confirmation was announced so she could freely talk about it?
Hmm, most likely to avoid media speculation and calls from tiresome reporters, I think. ?

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And then to the dinner. - Well, I see only three alternatives:

1. A white-tie dinner at The Royal Palace, hosted by The Regent-Couple, which the court always refers to as a ''gallamiddag'' (gala-dinner).
(The case with Princess Märtha Louise and the then Prince Haakon - and which is believed by TV2's serous/reliable Royal Expert, Kjell Arne Totland, to be the case with Princess Ingrid Alexandra.)
2. A black-tie dinner at The Royal Palace, hosted by The Regent-Couple, which the court always refers to as either ''smokingmiddag or bankett'' (smoking-dinner or banquet).
(The case with Princesses Ragnhild/Astrid and the then Prince Harald.)
3. A Black-tie dinner at Skaugum.
 
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Is it expected of the NRF, and as such also Ingrid, that they are Christian?
Or at least adhere to the Christian rituals and attend church at Christian holy days?
 
:previous: Yes! And that despite the fact that after a constitutional amendment of May 21st, 2012, The Church of Norway is self-governed with regard to doctrinal issues and appointment of clergy - and the monarch is no longer its head.

But when The King was asked by the then Minister of Culture and Church Affairs from the Labour Party, Trond Giske, in 2008 on whether he had an opinion of how the constitutional changes (regarding the Church) should affect the monarch, HM (with the support of CP Haakon) replied that he wanted parts of Article 4 in the Constitution to be maintained. - And although a majority of MPs in The Storting disagreed with him, none of them dared to go against The King, due to his popularity.

So, what happened? Well, Article 4 was changed from this: ''The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion, and uphold and protect the same.''

To this: ''The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion.''

Which again means that those in line to the throne, in practice, have no choice but to still do the same. I.e. being a member of the church and being christened/confirmed in the church.

BTW: The church and state were first separated, when an act approved in 2016 created the Church of Norway as an independent legal entity, which became effective from January 1st, 2017 (this had no effect on Article 4).
 
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:previous: Yes! And that despite the fact that after a constitutional amendment of May 21st, 2012, The Church of Norway is self-governed with regard to doctrinal issues and appointment of clergy - and the monarch is no longer its head.

But when The King was asked by the then Minister of Culture and Church Affairs from the Labour Party, Trond Giske, in 2008 on whether he had an opinion of how the constitutional changes (regarding the Church) should affect the monarch, HM (with the support of CP Haakon) replied that he wanted parts of Article 4 in the Constitution to be maintained. - And although a majority of MPs in The Storting disagreed with him, none of them dared to go against The King, due to his popularity.

That is interesting, that Crown Prince Haakon publicly supported his father in regard to his request (is Haakon similarly religious?) and that the King was asked to make his opinion known by a government minister (who must have known the approximate answer he could expect from King Harald. Perhaps those in the government who favored maintaining Article 4 wanted the agreement of the popular king).

So, what happened? Well, Article 4 was changed from this: ''The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion, and uphold and protect the same.''

To this: ''The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion.''

Which again means that those in line to the throne, in practice, have no choice but to still do the same. I.e. being a member of the church and being christened/confirmed in the church.

BTW: The church and state were first separated, when an act approved in 2016 created the Church of Norway as an independent legal entity, which became effective from January 1st, 2017 (this had no effect on Article 4).

Is it expected of the NRF, and as such also Ingrid, that they are Christian?
Or at least adhere to the Christian rituals and attend church at Christian holy days?

As an addition to Royal Norway's reply, one of the complaints concerning Princess Märtha Louise's angel teachings was that it did not conform to the constitution as far as the King's religion was concerned.
 
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As an addition to Royal Norway's reply, one of the complaints concerning Princess Märtha Louise's angel teachings was that it did not conform to the constitution as far as the King's religion was concerned.

As far as I understand, Märtha Louise is still a member of the Lutheran church, would that qualify as 'professing the Evangelical-Lutheran religion'? Would she need to give up all 'angel stuff' if she was ever called to the throne but other than that be fine or can she even keep it as long as she is also a member of the Lutheran church?

Yes, whether one is confirmed in The Norwegian Church (which is no longer the state-church) or in a humanistic way (which 18% chose to do in 2018), it's celebrated with a big celebratory dinner for the whole family (including grandparents, uncles/aunts, cousins, etc)

What would a humanistic way look like? Do they affirm their believe in humanish? And are they admitted to the Humanistic society? Both seem far"-fetched but that would be a humanistic equivalent imo, so wonder what it really is. Just some kind of celebration of reaching a certain age (like the quincenera in Latin America)? Is there any preparation involved (comparable to a confirmation in the church)?
 
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What would a humanistic way look like? Do they affirm their believe in humanish? And are they admitted to the Humanistic society? Both seem far"-fetched but that would be a humanistic equivalent imo, so wonder what it really is. Just some kind of celebration of reaching a certain age (like the quincenera in Latin America)? Is there any preparation involved (comparable to a confirmation in the church)?
Yes do you have to go to church and study the bible, In the Danish church I went it was for 2 years the course. I think it is the party the same meaning as the quincianera but without all the big expense , the quincianera is like a wedding so pompous.
 
It was supposedly the same in Sweden when church and state got (almost) separated in 2000 - the King made his will known that he wanted to keep the provisions in the Constitution about the Royal family having to be members of the Church of Sweden. I'm not sure if he's very religious, although his wife is, or it is more a question of tradition since he's quite conservative in these matters.
I've been to several Danish nonfirmations where kids who don't want a religious ceremony instead just have a big party.
 
What would a humanistic way look like? Do they affirm their believe in humanish? And are they admitted to the Humanistic society? Both seem far"-fetched but that would be a humanistic equivalent imo, so wonder what it really is. Just some kind of celebration of reaching a certain age (like the quincenera in Latin America)? Is there any preparation involved (comparable to a confirmation in the church)?

I was confirmed in Germany after 2 years of taking classes, and attending church regularly . I was almost 15 . All family was invited and it was a big occasion ( more important for me was the 1500 then DM in cash :D ) In a way it's a coming of age sort of marker but very much a church thing and I think the humanistic event was sort of invented to give young people a similar stepping stone to adulthood .
 
I must confess I've never heard about a humanist confirmation before.

Who do a humanist confirmation? Those who are unsure about their Christian affiliation, but believe in higher purpose of life, or a higher being being in a kind of overall control, or reincarnation and/or a sort of karma? Or...
I.e. something that would not appeal to a full Christian nor an atheist, who would likely be more interested in a nonfirmation.
 
Some friends of mine chose to have a "humanist name Day" celebration for their baby (to her mother's consternation), which was like a Christening with some "welcome to the world" speeches and a party.

I imagine that a "humanist confirmation" would be the same thing for teens, basically a big party. Maybe with some promises to be a responsible/ethical human being if you're so inclined. Not sure why they'd want to call it a confirmation though.
 
That is interesting, that Crown Prince Haakon publicly supported his father in regard to his request (is Haakon similarly religious?) and that the King was asked to make his opinion known by a government minister (who must have known the approximate answer he could expect from King Harald. Perhaps those in the government who favored maintaining Article 4 wanted the agreement of the popular king).
Not publicly, but The King said this in a TV-interview in connection with his Silver Jubilee in 2016:

Q. Hvordan er det å velge for andre enn seg selv?

A. ''Det har blitt gjort så mye for meg, så det er da ikke noe problem,'' ler kongen.

''Nei, jeg snakket jo med dem. Kronprinsen sa at det ikke var noe problem for dem.''

Translated to:
Q. How is it to choose for others than yourself?

A. ''It has been done so much for me, so that is not a problem,'' laughs the King.

''No, I was talking to them. The Crown Prince said it was not a problem for them.''
(And yes, he concluded both sentences with the word ''them,'' so no wrongdoing on my part.)


Whether CP Haakon is ''religious'' is not known, I think. - Although CP MM is ''personlig kristen'' (personal Christian) and has previously said that her ''faith means very much'' to her.


Well, Culture/Church Minister Giske had (according to himself) several private meetings with The King, to inform him about the changes in the constitution (regarding the church).
And there was agreement between the then three government parties. I.e. The Labour Party and The Socialist Left Party (which both wanted to give the monarch total religious freedom) and The Centre Party (which favored maintaining Article 4) to consult him.

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As an addition to Royal Norway's reply, one of the complaints concerning Princess Märtha Louise's angel teachings was that it did not conform to the constitution as far as the King's religion was concerned.
Yes, the main criticism from several bishops/theologians was that her ''talk with angels and dead-people broke with Evangelical-Lutheran teachings.''
Although the chance of her becoming regent if something were to happen to The Crown Prince, is just getting tinier and tinier (a more reassuring word than ''smaller,'' I think), which have lead to come calls from within the church that she should relinquish her membership.

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As far as I understand, Märtha Louise is still a member of the Lutheran church, would that qualify as 'professing the Evangelical-Lutheran religion'? Would she need to give up all 'angel stuff' if she was ever called to the throne but other than that be fine or can she even keep it as long as she is also a member of the Lutheran church?
Your first question: Yes!
Your second question: Well, as you can read in post 12, the monarch doesn't longer have to uphold and protect the Evangelical-Lutheran religion. - Which again means that were she ''ever called to the throne'' (god help us), no, she wouldn't need to give up her ''angel-stuff'' (although it would've made her a VERY unpopular Queen regnant or regent, if she hadn't).
And to be a bit cynical, she would NEVER ever have been in the angel-business if she had received an apanage. :lol:

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What would a humanistic way look like? Do they affirm their believe in humanish? And are they admitted to the Humanistic society? Both seem far"-fetched but that would be a humanistic equivalent imo, so wonder what it really is. Just some kind of celebration of reaching a certain age (like the quincenera in Latin America)? Is there any preparation involved (comparable to a confirmation in the church)?
Short but very informative explanation in English from The Norwegian Humanist Association, just scroll down to the confirmation part and read (link).

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It was supposedly the same in Sweden when church and state got (almost) separated in 2000 - the King made his will known that he wanted to keep the provisions in the Constitution about the Royal family having to be members of the Church of Sweden. I'm not sure if he's very religious, although his wife is, or it is more a question of tradition since he's quite conservative in these matters.
I've been to several Danish nonfirmations where kids who don't want a religious ceremony instead just have a big party.
King Harald, OTOH, has said that he defines himself as a Christian, although he has also been praised for his openness and understanding of other religions. ?
 
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So no confirmation for a white-tie gala, right? Just the confirmation date, am I right? Can't wait for August to come, I think Ingrid Alexandra will be beautiful.


About the exact date, I think it's a very good date. King Felipe will be on vacation in August, the Spanish Royals always do. So he won't have an excuse not to attend, and if he doesn't attend, I will be very disappointed. Poor girl, she has a godfather that she saw probably once on her life (I recall Crown Princess Victoria's wedding).


EDIT: Also, I was thinking about something. I don't much about Haakon's confirmation, but did any of his royal counterparts attended the evening event? I would love to see all of the "main" royal kids together for once before they all grew into adults.
 
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Yes do you have to go to church and study the bible, In the Danish church I went it was for 2 years the course. I think it is the party the same meaning as the quincianera but without all the big expense , the quincianera is like a wedding so pompous.

My question was about the humanistic way. I was comparing the two as I did understand one 9confirmation in church) but not the other (humanistic confirmation, the final one I compared to the non-religious practice of quincenera).

I understand a confirmation in a church. 2 years of classes in Lutheran churches isn't that much compared to calvinst/reformed churches in which profession of faith typically takes place at the earliest at about 18 years (not everyone takes this step, it really depends on a personal decision - our king was 30 years when he professed his faith) and classes are given from at least 12 years of age :flowers:. The final year being especially important preparing for 'confirming' your christening and taking full responsibility as a member of the church.

Very informative explanation in English from The Norwegian Humanist Association, just roll down to the confirmation part and read (link).

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Thanks! That's helpful. So, it seems we have to distinguish between the traditional christian confirmation, the humanistic confirmation that tries to imitate the church version but without God being included, so the preparation course is about humanistic values and general ethics as long as you pass the course, your good to go (you don't even have to agree with any of it because they state it is regardless of the parents' or youngsters' beliefs) - both followed by a big party - and a nonfirmation which is just the party without any ceremony at all.
 
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Thanks for the link, Royal Norway. :flowers:

Well, I think the concept of a humanist confirmation, sounds a bit... silly to me.

A confirmation is just that. A confirmation in you believing in and adhere to the Christian faith. Less than that is either hypocrisy (to be brutally honest) or a glorified nonfirmation. Or a coming of age-ceremony if you like.

It may catch on, who knows, and fine if people prefer that. But then perhaps it should change its name to something else than a confirmation.

A ceremony where you confirm that you have humanistic ideals... - Yeah, okay. ?
Because Christians and atheists (who have nonfirmations) don't? :lol:
Sorry, I'm in my cynical mood today. :D
 
I understand the whole humanist naming celebration. It's just a way to celebrate the birth of a baby. Many cultures gave naming ceremonies anyways. But a humanistic confirmation doesn't make sense. What are you confirming? Confirmation is not about coming of age, but confirming your own dedication to the faith you were born into. It would be liking having a bar mitzvah for a non Jewish boy as a way to celebrate his birthday. Just celebrate the birthday, and reaching a certain age, and don't use the religious context.

Looking forward to the event and learning more. Hopefully all her godparents attend. Surprised if Fred doesn't since the families are so close but hopefully Felipe is able to make it for her.
 
Well, anyway, the only reason why most Norwegian youngsters bother to be confirmed today is just for all the money they receive from family and friends at the dinner afterwards. Nothing else! :lol:
And if they opt for a humanistic one, then it's just because their parents are atheists and advises them to do so, or because most of their closest friends are doing it.

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So no confirmation for a white-tie gala, right? Just the confirmation date, am I right?
And the place for the service, see post 4 & 10 for more information. ?

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Also, I was thinking about something. I don't know much about Haakon's confirmation, but did any of his royal counterparts attended the evening event? I would love to see all of the "main" royal kids together for once before they all grew into adults.
I don't know! Because we only have the photo-gallery from Scanpix (see it in the quotation in post 1), where there are pictures of his 4 foreign Royal godparents: QMII (accompanied by Prince Henrik & Queen Ingrid), KCXVIG (accompanied by Queen Silvia), Prince Carl Bernadotte and Princess Anne.
 
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EDIT: Also, I was thinking about something. I don't much about Haakon's confirmation, but did any of his royal counterparts attended the evening event? I would love to see all of the "main" royal kids together for once before they all grew into adults.

It would be great if the teenage heirs would all attent (thinking about: Christian, Amalia, Elisabeth and Leonor). Amalia is closest in age to Ingrid-Alexandra and I think they know each other rather well (based on private joined meetings/short vacations), Elisabeth might be a great person to look up to for Leonor (she also seemed a bit shy at first but blossomed into a confident young lady. And Christian seems quite confident himself, even though he is the only male heir of this generation - but he will surely know Ingrid-Alexandra from various previous meetings (including the 'heirs meeting' in Norway not that long ago).
 
It would be great if the teenage heirs would all attent (thinking about: Christian, Amalia, Elisabeth and Leonor). Amalia is closest in age to Ingrid-Alexandra and I think they know each other rather well (based on private joined meetings/short vacations), Elisabeth might be a great person to look up to for Leonor (she also seemed a bit shy at first but blossomed into a confident young lady. And Christian seems quite confident himself, even though he is the only male heir of this generation - but he will surely know Ingrid-Alexandra from various previous meetings (including the 'heirs meeting' in Norway not that long ago).

Yes, that would be great. ?
Christian and Ingrid and I'm sure Amalia too know each other well.
Not so sure how well Haakon and Mette-Marit and as such their daughter, know the Belgian and Spanish royals though.
 
Yes, that would be great. ?
Christian and Ingrid and I'm sure Amalia too know each other well.
Not so sure how well Haakon and Mette-Marit and as such their daughter, know the Belgian and Spanish royals though.
Well, I heard that Felipe is a friend of Haakon and Frederik. That's why he was chosen as godfather for one of their children.


We know that Felipe, Letizia and their daughters did private visits to the Netherlands to meet WA and Maxima. So, it's safe to assume that Leonor and Amalia know each other and can speak spanish with each other.
Not sure if Leonor has ever meet Ingrid Alexandra before though.


But if would be so lovely to see all of them together. Not sure it will really happen, but one can dream and hope :D If it really doesn't happen, we have to wait for their adulthood...
 
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I understand the whole humanist naming celebration. It's just a way to celebrate the birth of a baby. Many cultures gave naming ceremonies anyways. But a humanistic confirmation doesn't make sense. What are you confirming? Confirmation is not about coming of age, but confirming your own dedication to the faith you were born into. It would be liking having a bar mitzvah for a non Jewish boy as a way to celebrate his birthday. Just celebrate the birthday, and reaching a certain age, and don't use the religious context.

Looking forward to the event and learning more. Hopefully all her godparents attend. Surprised if Fred doesn't since the families are so close but hopefully Felipe is able to make it for her.

Humanist confirmation>???? What next
 
Princess Ingrid Alexandra with her parents today as she was accompanied by Crown Prince Haakon when walked the last stretch of the old pilgrim route along the coast of 5 counties to Nidaros as part of the preparations for her confirmation on 31 August

https://ap.mnocdn.no/images/c29ee7d1-2f74-4fbc-8259-30de57bf5a74?fit=crop&q=80&w=980
https://ap.mnocdn.no/images/1f16b10e-c9ea-4896-953e-9902733b5921?fit=crop&h=810&q=80&w=1440

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/...d-Alexandra-pa-pilegrimsferd-til-Nidarosdomen
 
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