Mette-Marit's pregnancy with Sverre Magnus

[Karisma]

Originally Posted by Mandy

King Harald is not working any harder because Mette-Marit is side-lined. He is performing his duties as usual. He was scheduled for the state visit to Sweden which he accomplished.

King Harald has also remarked that he will never retire and that only dead kings retire. I'm paraphrasing King Harald by the way.

In Norway newspaper VG, (Verdens Gang) 7 sept. the Kings medical adwiser said that he had asked the King to "slow down", but King Harald was't listening.

[Lillia]

Originally Posted by Karisma

It's very oldfashioned. I'm not certain about every Monarchy but I'm at least shure about the meaning in Swedish. The King is impersonated withSweden. I think old Monarchys have older traditions. The Brittish and Danish also are old fashioned. I think that Norway have a more modern Monarchy. I respect it, of course.

Old fashioned or not, I still think that even the BRF, DRF, SRF, not to speak of the NRF itself -- the members time and again check themselves against the idea that they themselves actually are the country that they represent.

I don't think they take their duty to their country lightly, but I also do not believe that they take this idea of being 'impersonated with Sweden' so literally that they begin to think of themselves as actually being a region in the world (they themselves would be then represented on the globe and all the maps) rather than being a person with certain responsibilities.

I would find it a little bit of a stretch that CP Victoria of Sweden would think of herself as actually being the country of Sweden, rather than having a duty and responsibility to represent Sweden and it's people on the world stage.

Can you imagine if Prince Charles thought he himself was actually the entire UK? Or better yet, HM QEII has she ever declared the words "I am England", or rather has she referred to herself as having dedicated her life in complete service of her country and it's people?

Do you really think King Harald actually think he himself is the country rather than just a person born into a position where he and his family officially represented his country and was charged with responsibility of upholding and representing his country's traditions (to a large extent)?

[Karisma]

Originally Posted by Larzen

She has not been married before.

What catholic royals did not have good representation at that wedding?

It's impossible for me answering every interesing question in this capturing discussion. King Juan Carlos was'nt there and it was after an adwise from the Catholic church. And there were more Royals doing a minimized representation or not coming at all. Thank You for linkt to the guest list. Everyone can read for themselves.

[Karisma]

Originally Posted by Lillia

Old fashioned or not, I still think that even the BRF, DRF, SRF, not to speak of the NRF itself -- the members time and again check themselves against the idea that they themselves actually are the country that they represent.

I don't think they take their duty to their country lightly, but I also do not believe that they take this idea of being 'impersonated with Sweden' so literally that they begin to think of themselves as actually being a region in the world (they themselves would be then represented on the globe and all the maps) rather than being a person with certain responsibilities.

I would find it a little bit of a stretch that CP Victoria of Sweden would think of herself as actually being the country of Sweden, rather than having a duty and responsibility to represent Sweden and it's people on the world stage.

Can you imagine if Prince Charles thought he himself was actually the entire UK? Or better yet, HM QEII has she ever declared the words "I am England", or rather has she referred to herself as having dedicated her life in complete service of her country and it's people?

Do you really think King Harald actually think he himself is the country rather than just a person born into a position where he and his family officially represented his country and was charged with responsibility of upholding and representing his country's traditions (to a large extent)?

Of course our Royals understand what´s history about "beeing their country". I don't say they belive that nowdays, but many old laws still is in use.

Here are the law from year of 1810 that the Swedish King had to swear. I'm not the men to give a translation of this oldfashion Swedish languge. Here's a video when HM King Karl XVI Gustaf is svearing his oath (text following):

http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...33315&a=361833

Choose:
Kung Carl XVI Gustaf avlägger konungaförsäkran (00:08:06) Från 1973-09-19

(Us CARL, with mercy of God, Swedens, Götes and Vendes King etc, etc...)

Successionsordning (1810:0926);
Vi CARL, med Guds nåde, Sveriges, Götes och Vendes Konung &c. &c. &c., arvinge till Norge, hertig till Schleswig Holstein, Stormarn och Ditmarsen, greve till Oldenburg och Delmenhorst &c. &c., göre veterligt: att, sedan Riksens Ständer enhälligt antagit och fastställt den successionsordning, varefter den högborne furstes, Svea rikes utkorade kronprins, hans kungl. höghet prins JOHAN BAPTIST JULII manliga bröstarvingar skola äga rätt till den svenska tronen, samt Sveriges rikes styrelse tillträda, och denna grundlag till Vårt nådiga gillande blivit överlämnad, have Vi, i kraft av den enligt 85 § i regeringsformen Oss tillkommande rättighet, velat denna av Riksens Ständer samtyckta successionsordning härmed antaga, gilla och bekräfta, alldeles såsom den ord för ord härefter följer:
Successionsordning,
varefter den högborne furstes, Svea rikes utkorade kronprins, hans kungl. höghets, prins JOHAN BAPTIST JULII av Ponte-Corvo manliga bröstarvingar skola äga rätt till den kungl. svenska tronen, samt att Svea rikes styrelse tillträda; av Konung och Riksens Ständer gjord och fastställd på urtima riksdagen i Örebro den 26 september 1810.
Vi efterskrivne Svea rikes Ständer, grevar, friherrar, biskopar, ridderskap och adel, klerkeri, borgerskap och menige allmoge, som nu här i Örebro till allmän urtima riksdag församlade äro, göre veterligt: att, sedan den högborne fursten, Svea rikes utkorade kronprins, hans kungl. höghet prins CARL AUGUST utan manlige bröstarvingar avlidit, och vi även genom den, under den 21 augusti 1810, upprättade förening och valakt, utkorat den högborne furste, prins JOHAN BAPTIST JULIUS av Ponte-Corvo, till Svea rikes kronprins, att på de villkor, så väl nyssnämnda valakt, som ock högbemälde furstes till avgivande av oss föreskrivna försäkran förmå och innehålla, Hans Kungl. Maj:t Vår nu regerande allernådigste Konung och Herre, Carl den XIII:e, efter dess dödliga frånfälle (varmed den Högste Guden nådeligen länge fördröje) i regeringen över Svea rike samt detsamma underlydande länder efterträda, till Sveriges Konung krönas och hyllas, samt riket styra; alltså hava vi för hans kungl. höghets JOHAN BAPTIST JULII, furstens av Ponte-Corvo, äkta manliga bröstarvingar, härmed velat upprätta och fastställa denna ordning för successionen till Sveriges krona och regering, på sätt och med villkor här nedanföre uttryckligen stadgas.
§ 1. Successionsrätt till Sveriges tron tillkommer manliga och kvinnliga efterkommande till kronprins Johan Baptist Julii, sedermera Konung Karl XIV Johans, avkomling i rätt nedstigande led, Konung Carl XVI Gustaf. Äldre syskon och äldre syskons efterkommande ha därvid företräde framför yngre syskon och yngre syskons efterkommande. Lag (1979:935).
§ 2. Vad i denna successionsordning är stadgat om Konungen skall, om Drottning är statschef, gälla henne. Lag (1979:935).
§ 3. upphävd genom lag (1979:935).
§ 4. Såsom 2 § i 1809 års regeringsform uttryckligen stadgar, att Konung alltid skall vara av den rena evangeliska läran, sådan som den, uti den oförändrade Augsburgiska bekännelsen, samt Uppsala mötes beslut av år 1593, antagen och förklarad är, sålunda skola ock prinsar och prinsessor av det kungl. huset uppfödas i samma lära och inom riket. Den av kungl. familjen som ej sig till samma lära bekänner, vare från all successionsrätt utesluten. Lag (1979:935).
§ 5. Prins och prinsessa av det kungl. huset må ej gifta sig, med mindre regeringen på hemställan av Konungen därtill lämnat samtycke. Sker det ändock, have han eller hon förverkat arvsrätt till riket för sig, barn och efterkommande. Lag (1979:935).
§ 6. upphävd genom lag (1979:935).
§ 7. Tronföljaren må ej anträda resa utrikes utan Konungens vetskap och samtycke. Lag (1921:21).
§ 8. Prins och prinsessa av kungl. svenska huset må ej, utan Konungens och riksdagens samtycke, bliva regent i utländsk stat, vare sig genom val, arv eller gifte. Sker annorlunda, vare han eller hon samt efterkommande ej berättigade att succedera till svenska tronen. Lag (1979:935).
§ 9. upphävd genom lag (1974:154).
Till yttermera visso, att vi allt detta föreskrivna så belevat och beslutit, have vi samtlige Svea rikes Ständer detta underskrivit och beseglat; som skedde i Örebro den tjugusjätte dagen i september månad, år efter Kristi börd, ett tusende åttahundrade och på det tionde.
Detta allt, som föreskrivet står, vele Vi ej allenast själve för orygglig grundlag antaga, utan bjude och befalle jämväl i nåder, att alle de, som Oss och Våre efterträdare samt riket med huldhet, lydno och hörsamhet förbundne äre, böra denna successionsordning erkänna, iakttaga, efterleva och hörsamma. Till yttermera visso have Vi detta med egen hand underskrivit och bekräftat, samt Vårt kungl. insegel låtit veterligen hänga här nedanföre, som skedde i Örebro, den tjugosjätte dagen i september månad, året efter Vår Herres och Frälsares Jesu Kristi börd, det ett tusende åttahundrade och på det tionde.

[Lillia]

Ok -- well I don't read Swedish very well, but this thread is about Norway anyhow, and more specifically about CP Haakon and his lovely wife, CPMM:p

I suspect what you've put there is to illustrate a point on the laws/declarations in Sweden or something. Perhaps start a thread on the Swedish board where we can 'hash it out' there (nicely and respectfully, I mean)?:)

[carlota]

i will have to disagree with many of you making the role of a crown princess (or any royal) seem something like the worst thing ever. is it better to work 12 hours a day? is it nice to work closed in an office or in construction all day under the sun to raise up a family, where you probably woulnd't meet the important and interesting people you meet when you are royal or a prime minister for example? i know being royal has lots of problems (the media pressure and the critisize you are subjected to) but i really think it's better than the normal life many people need to have. moreover, you can always stop being royal (abdicating or loosing your succesion rights) but not many people can choose being royal...

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by Karisma

2. Karisma: Don't make drama! She could have minimized her program.

I find it amusing that you are the one telling others to not be dramatic when it is clearly you who is the one being dramatic: typing in bold, typing in blue and replying to every single post that disagrees with you, which is just about everyone here so far that Mette-Marit's health and her baby are more important than royal duties.

Besides, I see that you are from Sweden. Why care so much about Mette-Marit's lack of royal appearances when she is not your Crown Princess? I don't see anyone from Norway here saying that they do not like Mette-Marit as their Crown Princess.

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by Karisma

I don't think it's a desease being pregnat. What help did MM have when she was pregnant with her firs born son Maurius (before she married Royal)? He seem too be a healty, qute yong men althogh MM lived a life with drougs and a father to Maurius who didn't care.

How do you know how Mette-Marit was during her first pregnancy with Marius? How do you know that she was not sick that often while pregnant with him?

He may be a healthy young boy now but that doesn't mean that his mother wasn't very sick while pregnant with him.

Besides, all pregnancies are different. Mette-Marit did not have as many health problems while pregnant with Ingrid Alexandra, but that doesn't mean she can't have health problems now.

Also, given that she is now two years older since her last pregnancy, there are higher risks to her health because of her age.

Originally Posted by Karisma

Well, Maurius perhaps meet a princess some day - then he's Royal too! .

And what would be so wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Karisma

No offense Ladies, but if You like drama I'll give You drama. Plese try to move Your mindes and don't read in things I've not been writing.

You certainly are! This is the kind of drama I expect of 13 year old girls plucking petals off of flowers: He loves me, he loves me not ...

Maybe you could try reading what others are posting too and not just side stepping valid comments in the name of "I hate Mette-Marit" which is painfully obvious. You can dislike her all you want, but that's not to say that her health or the health of her unborn baby deserves to suffer because you don't think she should be a princess or is a good representative to her country.

[Spitzy]

No need to be so unfair to Mette-Marit. She worked hard and studied before she met crownprince Haakon. So it's not like she hasn't had the experience of a hard days work. Concerning her health I think we should be veeeery careful of being judgemental and insinuating her being lazy or doctors inadequate...that is simply rude! I have many friends with children and their pregnancies have been hell, and of course that can happen to royals too. I think we should rather credit her for her good job, and especially what she and HM did on her birthday; inviting 60 poor or "less fortunate" people to their home at Skaugum. That is remarkable and a modern monarchy to be proud of!

[iowabelle]

Any word on Mette-Merit's condition lately? Anyone seen her?

[Harmony]

Yes. It will be nice to know how she is doing.

[lil Princess]

I am Praying for Mette-Marit, that she gets better soon! She is such a lovely Crown Princess!!

[princess2]

Originally Posted by lil Princess

I am Praying for Mette-Marit, that she gets better soon! She is such a lovely Crown Princess!!

the same here.

I also have to say that I do miss seeing Pictures from her:(

[LaMinka]

Flyr rett før fødselen
Høygravide og flyskrekkrammede Mette-Marit setter seg på flyet til Storbritannia - bare én måned før hun skal føde.
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/side2/k...icle460718.ece

[LaMinka]

Mette-Marit is going to be with to Great Britan in the end of October.. She is then 8 months pregnant pluss she is sceard of flying (I ones read that she has driving from Amsterdam to Oslo( ) since she is so sceard!)

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by LaMinka

Mette-Marit is going to be with to Great Britan in the end of October.. She is then 8 months pregnant pluss she is sceard of flying (I ones read that she has driving from Amsterdam to Oslo( ) since she is so sceard!)

I guess it is all about how she feels when the time comes.

[EmmieLou]

Why are they coming to the UK?

As I have said many times before when the twin subject came up, the Royal household would announce that the Princess was expecting twins. There is no reason for them to pretend it is one baby and not two.

It is more likely when Mette-Marit was scanned the measurements of the baby showed he/she was conceived earlier than thought, this is the case with many women.

[lil Princess]

Originally Posted by LaMinka

Mette-Marit is going to be with to Great Britan in the end of October.. She is then 8 months pregnant pluss she is sceard of flying (I ones read that she has driving from Amsterdam to Oslo( ) since she is so sceard!)

WOW, thanks so much Everyone!!!! I just love all the pictures a lot!

Mette-Marit is Not the only one whom is scared of flying, I am Too, I hate Heights with a passion!!!! I have never gotten over this since I was a little girl! Ieve hated when my parents drove me over a bridge back then. So, some people where not born to fly it seems... Yes, I have Flown to many places ~ New York, Florida, Hawaii, Tahiti and many others.. If I can drive there or be driven, that is Much better *tee hee*

God Bless the Royal Norwegain Couple!!!!!


Love n' Huggles,

KristiAnn
lilPrincess

[Karisma]

It would be nice seeing Mette-Marit and Camilla together! And perhaps some "gala" together with all the Royals att Buckinham palace?

[Layla1971]

Does anyone know the approx. expected date of birth of Haakon and Mette-Marit's baby? I'm really impatient to see their new baby!:)