Marius Borg Hoiby - Discussions

[Lyonnaise]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

No asking is needed. Understanding of social codes is sufficient. Marius Borg is step-grandson of the King, step-son of the future King, step-brother of the future Queen. He is in the supreme top of Norway's social pyramid. Doors swing open to him.

I have to think about the court case between Louis of Luxembourg (no job, no income) and Tessy. The Court learned that the Luxembourg banks considered Louis' solvability premium class. Just the fact that he was a son of the Grand-Duke made him solvable.

Objectively this is not the case: his wife earns more than he, but nevertheless doors swing open. Exactly the same with Marius Borg. Poor cv. But doors swing open. And we see this with so many royals in all royal families all over the world.

So then why didn't the doors to the fashion world (where he has stated he wanted to work) open? Why not the doors to something similar to what he was doing in London? Aren't there Norwegian designers who would love the future Queen's son working with them? If the Danish Queen's grandson can get into the fashion world, I'm sure Marius would be able to.

Sorry, but a two month sales and marketing position, obtained less than a month from losing a job, sounds like something (step)-Daddy asked his friend to provide to get him out of the house.

We're going to have to disagree on this specific case. I'm not saying that doors wouldn't swing open and Haakon and Mette-Marit wouldn't have to ask in most cases. I'm just saying that I believe IN THIS CASE, asking was probably involved.

[Ista]

Thank you to Royal Norway for the link to the Wiki article about the Law of Jante, that was fascinating, and explains so many things about the social mores and attitudes in Norway. I'll be following this story with a lot of interest to see how it all plays out.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

To Duc_et_Pair: Well, not how egalitarian Norway works - and with the exception of some of The CP-Couple's wealthy friends (perhaps not even them), I can't think of one company/individual offering him a job just because he is ''the stepson of the future King.''
And as one of the commentators said last year (think it was the serious Royal Author, Tor Bomann-Larsen): ''In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

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Originally Posted by Lyonnaise

Sorry, but a two month sales and marketing position, obtained less than a month from losing a job, sounds like something (step)-Daddy asked his friend to provide to get him out of the house.

First, CP Haakon and Marius have, according to all serious/reliable sources, a very good relationship. - And Skaugum is pretty big, so I doubt that The Crown Prince is trying to ''get him out of the house.''

I see three possibilities:
1. Marius asked Olav Hindahl Selvaag for a job, and got a two-months position just to prove himself.
2. Olav Hindahl Selvaag knew that Marius needed a job and offered him the two-months position to prove himself.
3. CP Haakon wanted to help his stepson get a job - and asked his friend to find him something.



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Originally Posted by Ista

Thank you to Royal Norway for the link to the Wiki article about the Law of Jante, that was fascinating, and explains so many things about the social mores and attitudes in Norway. I'll be following this story with a lot of interest to see how it all plays out.

You're very welcome!

[Lyonnaise]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

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First, CP Haakon and Marius have, according to all serious/reliable sources, a very good relationship. - And Skaugum is pretty big, so I doubt that The Crown Prince is trying to ''get him out of the house.''

I see three possibilities:
1. Marius asked Olav Hindahl Selvaag for a job, and got a two-months position just to prove himself.
2. Olav Hindahl Selvaag knew that Marius needed a job and offered him the two-months position to prove himself.
3. CP Haakon wanted to help his stepson get a job - and asked his friend to find him something.



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LOL! It's a figure of speech, Royal Norway, meaning that no parent of a 21 year old wants them sitting on the couch, eating junk food, and watching Netflix all day. They want to "figuratively" get them out of the house, doing something with their life!

And your #3 was exactly what I was saying... sooooo....

[COUNTESS]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

No asking is needed. Understanding of social codes is sufficient. Marius Borg is step-grandson of the King, step-son of the future King, step-brother of the future Queen. He is in the supreme top of Norway's social pyramid. Doors swing open to him.

I have to think about the court case between Louis of Luxembourg (no job, no income) and Tessy. The Court learned that the Luxembourg banks considered Louis' solvability premium class. Just the fact that he was a son of the Grand-Duke made him solvable.

Objectively this is not the case: his wife earns more than he, but nevertheless doors swing open. Exactly the same with Marius Borg. Poor cv. But doors swing open. And we see this with so many royals in all royal families all over the world.

He is the half brother of the future queen. They are related by blood.

[MsJulie]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Well, of course it is thanks to his family's connections that he got this job. Who would hire a college drop-out with no experience in sales and marketing... if not something else makes this an acceptable choice for the company('s boss).

I wonder if he “dropped out” and “came home” because of his moms health. We don’t know nor do we know if he continuing his education quietly without the media and public getting evolved...JMOO

[King of the Jungle]

Marius might have left his old job only after he was offered and accepted the new job.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Lyonnaise

LOL! It's a figure of speech, Royal Norway, meaning that no parent of a 21 year old wants them sitting on the couch, eating junk food, and watching Netflix all day. They want to "figuratively" get them out of the house, doing something with their life!

And your #3 was exactly what I was saying... sooooo....

Oh, my Norwegian brain seems to be a bit slow. - However, I might have understood it better (but just might) if you had written: 'Sounds like something (step)-Daddy asked his friend to provide to get him out of the house to do something with his life.''

Anyway, If CP Haakon did do that, then it was most likely just to help his stepson because Marius wanted it himself. - Especially since he according to The CP-couple, is a ''very creative soul who likes to work'' - and who ''has wanted to work creatively for a long time (see post 562 & 567).''

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Originally Posted by MsJulie

I wonder if he “dropped out” and “came home” because of his moms health. We don’t know nor do we know if he continuing his education quietly without the media and public getting evolved...JMOO

Originally Posted by King of the Jungle

Marius might have left his old job only after he was offered and accepted the new job.

I don't know how familiar you two are with all this, but here is the short version:

January 2017: Left for The US to study business administration, but dropped out after some few months.
September 2017: Started in a practice-job for the German fashion designer, Philipp Plein, in Milan, but quit after a few months.
Early 2018: Moved in with his new girlfriend in London, where he in March got a job in the British luxury magazine ''Tempus Magazine.''
October 2018: The Magazine closed down, which meant that Marius lost his job (something he himself confirmed to Norwegian media), and moved back to Norway.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

To Duc_et_Pair: Well, not how egalitarian Norway works - and with the exception of some of The CP-Couple's wealthy friends (perhaps not even them), I can't think of one company/individual offering him a job just because he is ''the stepson of the future King.''
And as one of the commentators said last year (think it was the serious Royal Author, Tor Bomann-Larsen): ''In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

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But isn't Tor Bormann-Larsen exactly making the same point as I did? "In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

With other words: his royal connections help Marius. Even in so-called egalitarian Norway. Or am I misreading it?

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

To Duc_et_Pair: Well, not how egalitarian Norway works - and with the exception of some of The CP-Couple's wealthy friends (perhaps not even them), I can't think of one company/individual offering him a job just because he is ''the stepson of the future King.''
And as one of the commentators said last year (think it was the serious Royal Author, Tor Bomann-Larsen): ''In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

But isn't Tor Bormann-Larsen exactly making the same point as I did? "In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

With other words: his royal connections help Marius. Even in so-called egalitarian Norway. Or am I misreading it?

As i read it i took it to mean Marius has more difficulty to get a job than if he didn't have royal connections, in other words, if he didn't have royal connections it would be easier...(which is quite egalitarian, maybe even too much of it..)

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Lee-Z

As i read it i took it to mean Marius has more difficulty to get a job than if he didn't have royal connections, in other words, if he didn't have royal connections it would be easier...(which is quite egalitarian, maybe even too much of it..)

English is not my native language, so the finesse of Bomann-Larsen's words will have escaped me. It would be unique when Marius would exactly not get a job because he is part of the royal family. For so far I can see, the boy has a privileged life with not too pauvre friends, exactly because of the circles of society his family mingles in. These circles of society would suddenly close when it comes to job opportunities for Marius? Hard to believe. Even in "egalitarian" Norway.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by MsJulie

I wonder if he “dropped out” and “came home” because of his moms health. We don’t know nor do we know if he continuing his education quietly without the media and public getting evolved...JMOO

After dropping out he didn't come home indefinitely but went to London earlier this year. All information available suggests that he wanted to do something in fashion. The journal he worked for most recently wasn't succesful and only recently he returned to Norway. See also Royal Norway's excellent summary. So far, he hasn't been able to either study or work for a longer period of time.

So, I'd rather not use MM's health as an excuse for all decisions Marius is making; including those most likely quite some time before they knew what was going on.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

But isn't Tor Bormann-Larsen exactly making the same point as I did? "In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

With other words: his royal connections help Marius. Even in so-called egalitarian Norway. Or am I misreading it?

I read it as you did- it will be more difficult for Marius to find a job in Norway (than other places) but his royal connections help (open doors.)

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

But isn't Tor Bormann-Larsen exactly making the same point as I did? "In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

With other words: his royal connections help Marius. Even in so-called egalitarian Norway. Or am I misreading it?

''I Norge vil det bli vanskeligere for Marius å få en jobb enn det ville ha vært uten hans kongelige forbindelser, selv med en god utdanning.''
Translated to: ''In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job than it would've been without his royal connections, even with a good education.''

1. ''In Norway it will be more difficult for Marius to get a job'' (which means that it will be more difficult to get a job now).
2. ''Than it would've been without his royal connections'' (which means that it would've been easier to get a job without his royal connections).
3. ''Even with a good education'' (which means that even with a good education, it will be more difficult for him to get a job now).

Other commentators have said similar things, even those who are opposed to the monarchy.



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Originally Posted by Lee-Z

As i read it i took it to mean Marius has more difficulty to get a job than if he didn't have royal connections, in other words, if he didn't have royal connections it would be easier...(which is quite egalitarian, maybe even too much of it..)

You ''took'' it right!

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

English is not my native language, so the finesse of Bomann-Larsen's words will have escaped me. It would be unique when Marius would exactly not get a job because he is part of the royal family. For so far I can see, the boy has a privileged life with not too pauvre friends, exactly because of the circles of society his family mingles in. These circles of society would suddenly close when it comes to job opportunities for Marius? Hard to believe. Even in "egalitarian" Norway.

Well, notice what I wrote in the post you quoted:

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

Well, not how egalitarian Norway works - and with the exception of some of The CP-Couple's wealthy friends (perhaps not even them), I can't think of one company/individual offering him a job just because he is ''the stepson of the future King.''

''I can't think of one company/individual offering him a job just because he is the stepson of the future King.'' That doesn't mean he won't get a job.

''With the exception of some of The CP-Couple's wealthy friends (perhaps not even them).'' That doesn't mean they won't offer him a job.

And why did I wrote ''perhaps not even them'' in reference to The CP-Couple's wealthy friends? Well, this:

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

Well, Norway is an egalitarian society, where The Law of Jante (English Wikipedia article - link) is still very present - and that is of course reflected in the media.
And it doesn't make it any better that The CP-Couple (especially CP-Haakon) has been under constant criticism from commentators, the so-called experts and even some non-socialist MPs in The Storting since 2013, due to their friendships/networking with Labour MPs, wealthy business-people and the fact that they took Ingrid & Sverre out of the public school, etc.

And if it then should become known that ''The Crown Prince has used his position to help his spoiled stepson get a job'' (as the press would say), no, then nothing will save him from the media (not even CP MM's illness). - And believe me, if there's something CP-Haakon doesn't need, it's more bad press.

You know, they don't want to put The Crown Prince and most IMPORTANTLY the monarchy in an even more difficult position in terms of negative media-coverage.

Just take the 62-year-old wealthy businessman, Stein Erik Hagen (billionaire in NOK and friendly with the royals), who doesn't want to accept any invitations to royal celebrations or be seen publicly with the RF anymore, because he is afraid of how it will affect the monarchy.
Why? Due to the famous ''horse scandal'' in 1998 (The King's ''Annus horribilis''), where His Majesty gave him permission to buy a horse (to 8.1 million NOK) for Märtha's use. - And when the King later the same year (during a state visit to Latvia) opened a seminar at a newly opened shopping-center in Riga, which Hagen owned a large part of, he was heavily criticized in the media.
They wrote/said that HM only opened the seminar to give thanks to Stein Erik Hagen for the ''gift'' (the horse), which of course proved to be false, although it must be said that the government of the time, refused to take any responsibility.

Yes, a bit different, I know. - But it just shows how careful the NRF and their wealthy friends have to be.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by MsJulie

I wonder if he “dropped out” and “came home” because of his moms health. We don’t know nor do we know if he continuing his education quietly without the media and public getting evolved...JMOO

I appreciate other members' opinion that "university (college in the US) is not for everybody". I also understand that, in some "egalitarian" countries like Norway perhaps, a university education is not as highly valued/ important in relative terms as it is in more unequal societies like the US or maybe even the UK. Having said that, my personal (probably biased) opinion still is that , in 2018/19, not getting a university degree reflects badly on a person of Marius' social standing/class.


The same argument could be made actually for other royals like Prince Harry or Prince Andrew, but, at least in their case, they have an excuse of having pursued a military career as officers, which, to some extent, is a substitute for a university degree . In the US for example, graduating from a military academy is actually academically equivalent to getting a bachelor's degree. I know that is not the case in the UK or some other countries, but, still, it is a post-secondary education anyway.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

English is not my native language, so the finesse of Bomann-Larsen's words will have escaped me. It would be unique when Marius would exactly not get a job because he is part of the royal family. For so far I can see, the boy has a privileged life with not too pauvre friends, exactly because of the circles of society his family mingles in. These circles of society would suddenly close when it comes to job opportunities for Marius? Hard to believe. Even in "egalitarian" Norway.

No, I totally get it:
They want to avoid any shred of favoritism or nepotism

To be honest, in my environment it's exactly the same (even though we are not royals, not even remotely ): if given the choice who to hire at equal capability, the person not related to you would be chosen *because* they are not related (that's why i called it "too much egalitarian")

In practice: to avoid this negative effect of egalitarism, the person who makes the choice could leave the choice to a totally impartial colleague, so the related person *does* have an equal chance.
But as practically everyone knows the royals, it would be hard to find a completely "impartial" person in the country of residence.

Following this line of thinking I can imagine that it would be way easier for Marius to find a job outside of Norway, just *because* he is related to the Norwegian royals

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

I appreciate other members' opinion that "university (college in the US) is not for everybody". I also understand that, in some "egalitarian" countries like Norway perhaps, a university education is not as highly valued/ important in relative terms as it is in more unequal societies like the US or maybe even the UK. Having said that, my personal (probably biased) opinion still is that , in 2018/19, not getting a university degree reflects badly on a person of Marius' social standing/class.

Well, (although always highly valued, also in Norway) talking about ''that not getting a university degree reflects badly on a person of Marius' social standing/class,'' is probably looked more down on here, than him actually lacking it.

Yes, that is Norway for you, and something I am proud of with this country.

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z

Following this line of thinking I can imagine that it would be way easier for Marius to find a job outside of Norway, just *because* he is related to the Norwegian royals

Exactly, and something he has tried twice. - But as you know, the practice-job in Milan didn't work out and the job in London went down hill, due to the closure of the magazine. So, perhaps he just wanted to find something here at home, where he has both his two families, friends, etc.

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BTW: To my GREAT surprise, it seems like the media is willing to let this go, at least for now.
Hmm, but when you think about it: The King's enormous popularity, CP MM's illness and the fact that the monarchy has record-high support in the polls (despite the intense criticism of The CP-Couple over the past 5 years) is probably not something they want to mess with. So, perhaps they've finally given up, something we've already seen several signs of this year.

[AdmirerUS]

As a University level instructor and in my personal life, I have seen so many times people fail to complete college at the first, second or more attempts due to circumstances more often than personal weakness.

Sometimes people just need time to have life knock them about, or to learn real life lessons or otherwise mature to understand that college work is worth it in more than one or two ways. Sometimes, life interrupts when there is a geographic move, a promotion, a new family. Perspective is everything. And only life experience brings perspective. JMO. There is always hope for a young person like Marius.

[Osipi]

When it comes to university studies, I sincerely believe that the student needs to want to be there rather than expected to be there. So often after finishing up the required many, many years of schooling, a person just has had enough and as a young adult, wants to explore his young adult world. Its definitely a period of life where there's a whole lot of trial and error going on until they hit on a path in life they feel is where they want life to take them and then see the studies at university as a ways and means of getting there.

Its important, I believe, that Marius finds his path but I don't think there's any real rush to do it right now instantly. He's got youth on his side and a supportive family. He'll be just fine.

[Ista]

A university education can be a wonderful thing, but I've seen many, many young people in the US complete college, and then end up in jobs at call centers, or doing temp work, or very entry level admin work with not much prospect for advancement. It's not that it can't be important, or expose the students to ideas and possibilities they hadn't considered before, but I don't think it says much about the young person's ethics, willingness to work hard, or value if they don't go to university right out of secondary school. It's certainly not the guarantee of a great career that it used to be 40 years ago. Sometimes all it means is that they need a little time and experience to find out about themselves. And sometimes they find work they are passionate about without ever going to university. Marius might be one of those people who just needs a little time to experiment and find his own way.