Marius Borg Hoiby - Discussions

[fortimo]

I hope he won't come back to Norway because of the illness of his mother... :(

[Biri]

If he wants to visit his mother he is allowed to do it, what's your point?

[Lee-Z]

I think what was meant was, let's hope that his mother's health has detiorated so much that he is called back to Norway because of that... but i don't think that's the case..

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

There are, however, many university programs that focus on creative arts, design, filmmaking, even photography. Maybe not so much in Norway ( I don’t know enough about it), but certainly in the US, especially in California and in the Northeast. In fact, I thought California would be a perfect match for Marius, not only academically, but also in terms of things he seems to be interested in ( social scene, extreme sports, etc.) . I was greatly surprised it didn’t work out for him.

Yes, there are (also in Norway BTW), but he doesn't seem to be a university-type, which is probably due to the stuff I mentioned in the previous post.
And as The Crown Princess said back in April: ''Han er veldig god til å ta bilder og filme, og har ønsket å jobbe kreativt lenge.'' (''He is very good at taking pictures and filming, and has wanted to work creatively for a long time.'') - And there is several ways for him (due to his many contacts) to do that without and education. I.e. starting a blog (which seems to very lucrative here), or he can (as I also mentioned in the above post) try to continue with something within clothing (or other types of design).

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Originally Posted by fortimo

I hope he won't come back to Norway because of the illness of his mother... :(

Well, that would really surprise me, since the Crown Princess has participated in several engagements recently. - And (although not listed in the official calendar yet) she is according to the court, who's spoken to TV2's Royal Expert Kjell Arne Totland, planing to take part in The Nobel Peace Prize Award Ceremony tomorrow.

[Blog Real]

I have two questions:
Who is the wife of Marius's father?
Who are Marius's paternal grandparents?

[fortimo]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

I have two questions:
Who is the wife of Marius's father?
Who are Marius's paternal grandparents?

She is the wife of Marius's father:

Celine maktabi tepper

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Thanks Fortimo!

This appears to be a blog-post with information from several old articles.

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Originally Posted by Blog Real

I have two questions:
Who is the wife of Marius's father?
Who are Marius's paternal grandparents?

The wife of Marius' father (Morten Borg, who has a bit of a shady past, as he is previously been convicted of cocaine-possession) is Celine Maktabi-Borg (daughter of the wealthy and controversial Lebanese-born businessman in the carpet-industry, Mahmoud Maktabi, who's been accused/convicted of fraud). She married Borg in 2004 - and has a son with him (born in 2005), plus one from an earlier relationship. Maktabi-Borg is currently working for her father.

See photos of her (including one with Mahmoud, taken some years ago) in fortimo's above post.

Marius' paternal grandparents: There has never been any talk about them at all in the media, so, I don't know.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Well, VG has found out that Marius has got himself a new January/February job in the sales and marketing department at Selvaag Bolig (residential property developer, which is owned by the wealthy Selvaag-family - Wikipedia link in English). Kristoffer Gregersen, the company's Communications and Marketing Director, confirms this to the newspaper.

Hmm, I must say I am a bit surprised that the press has not made any point of the fact that Olav Hindahl Selvaag (who owns the Selvaag-group together with his father and younger brother) is a close friend of The Crown Prince - and that the company has regularly given money to The CP-Couple's Foundation.

But we can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that if it turns out that CP Haakon has used his contacts to get his stepson a job, then nobody can save him from the Norwegian media.

Article: Marius Borg Høiby har fått ny jobb - ABC.

[Tirilschatz]

But. Isn't that a thing that every stepfather would do for the stepson he loves? (Or likes, but I tend to say love from what I got from pics and so on during the years)
IS it possible, nowadays, to get a job without connections?? TBH I made the experience thats its very hard.

[Ista]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

But we can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that if it turns out that CP Haakon has used his contacts to get his stepson a job, then nobody can save him from the Norwegian media.

Article: Marius Borg Høiby har fått ny jobb - ABC.

Is that something that is looked down on by the Norwegian press? It seems like SOP in most other royal families.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Ista

Is that something that is looked down on by the Norwegian press? It seems like SOP in most other royal families.

There are no families with better networks than royal families, often for centuries on top of the social pyramid and for whom the who-is-who is better translated as us-knows-us. Of course this helps. It is not even needed that Haakon asks for it. Just that he is Marius Borg, with direct access to the King, the future King and a future Queen as step-sister is enough.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Tirilschatz

But. Isn't that a thing that every stepfather would do for the stepson he loves? (Or likes, but I tend to say love from what I got from pics and so on during the years)
IS it possible, nowadays, to get a job without connections?? TBH I made the experience thats its very hard.

Indeed!
Everybody to some extent draw on their contacts. - Even journalists.

It's another matter if Marius has landed himself a well-paid pro forma job.
But if he is actually working, what's the problem?

[tommy100]

If Haakon actively asked them to find Marius a job then I could see a problem with it but if Marius simply applied for a job or was given a position then good luck to him.O course anyone looking at his CV could have their eyes turned by his royal connection but that is something he can't really do anything about.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

Well, VG has found out that Marius has got himself a new January/February job in the sales and marketing department at Selvaag Bolig (residential property developer, which is owned by the wealthy Selvaag-family - Wikipedia link in English). Kristoffer Gregersen, the company's Communications and Marketing Director, confirms this to the newspaper.

Hmm, I must say I am a bit surprised that the press has not made any point of the fact that Olav Hindahl Selvaag (who owns the Selvaag-group together with his father and younger brother) is a close friend of The Crown Prince - and that the company has regularly given money to The CP-Couple's Foundation.

But we can be ABSOLUTELY SURE that if it turns out that CP Haakon has used his contacts to get his stepson a job, then nobody can save him from the Norwegian media.

Article: Marius Borg Høiby har fått ny jobb - ABC.

Well, of course it is thanks to his family's connections that he got this job. Who would hire a college drop-out with no experience in sales and marketing... if not something else makes this an acceptable choice for the company('s boss).

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Tirilschatz

But. Isn't that a thing that every stepfather would do for the stepson he loves? (Or likes, but I tend to say love from what I got from pics and so on during the years)
IS it possible, nowadays, to get a job without connections?? TBH I made the experience thats its very hard.

Yes, that is very much possible these days. It might be easier with connections but that doesn't mean that you cannot get a job without them. Most people I know still got their jobs based on their qualifications (and later in life sometimes based on a combination of their skill set and the connections they themselves buil tbecause of their shown competence in their jobs).

[Duc_et_Pair]

What we all are doing with LinkedIn, is what the royal families have done for ages. We obtain jobs via LinkedIn. Often that is a combination of skills and networking. So we can not really blame someone in the periphery of the First Family of the land finding that doors miraculously swing open for them.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Tirilschatz

But. Isn't that a thing that every stepfather would do for the stepson he loves? (Or likes, but I tend to say love from what I got from pics and so on during the years)
IS it possible, nowadays, to get a job without connections?? TBH I made the experience thats its very hard.

I agree, but CP Haakon has the monarchy's reputation to think about - and if it turns out that he was behind this appointment, then it was IMO a VERY BAD move from him.

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Originally Posted by Ista

Is that something that is looked down on by the Norwegian press? It seems like SOP in most other royal families.

Well, Norway is an egalitarian society, where The Law of Jante (English Wikipedia article - link) is still very present - and that is of course reflected in the media.
And it doesn't make it any better that The CP-Couple (especially CP-Haakon) has been under constant criticism from commentators, the so-called experts and even some non-socialist MPs in The Storting since 2013, due to their friendships/networking with Labour MPs, wealthy business-people and the fact that they took Ingrid & Sverre out of the public school, etc.

And if it then should become known that ''The Crown Prince has used his position to help his spoiled stepson get a job'' (as the press would say), no, then nothing will save him from the media (not even CP MM's illness). - And believe me, if there's something CP-Haakon doesn't need, it's more bad press.

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Originally Posted by Somebody

Well, of course it is thanks to his family's connections that he got this job. Who would hire a college drop-out with no experience in sales and marketing... if not something else makes this an acceptable choice for the company('s boss).

Yes, of course. - But did CP-Haakon ask his friend to find Marius a job, that's the question.

[ladongas]

Sometimes no asking is necessary. When I was looking for a first job, I was having no luck at all. One day a phone call came, then an interview, then a job. How lucky I am, I thought.

Years, literally years, later, it occurred to me that the person who hired me had recognized my last name and associated it with my prominent and locally influential father. My father would NEVER have asked a favor of anyone. But the personnel director knew who I was (unusual last name) and figured it couldn’t hurt to hire me.

So no one would have to call on Marius’s behalf.

[Lyonnaise]

Yeah, call me cynical, but I can't see an unemployed, 21 year-old, with no post secondary education getting a job in less than a month without some help, unless the employment situation in Norway is so good that it takes 20 days for a high school graduate to find a job. In that case, I'll be moving there right away!

I guess we can ask if the job was advertised prior to him returning to Norway, or if it just suddenly ~opened~ up?

(And of course, there are always going to be people who get ahead solely on their connections. It doesn't always make it right.)

(Maybe–despite the drama it may cause—Haakon thought it was better to have him working for 2 months, rather than just lounging around at home like a bum.)

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Lyonnaise

Yeah, call me cynical, but I can't see an unemployed, 21 year-old, with no post secondary education getting a job in less than a month without some help, unless the employment situation in Norway is so good that it takes 20 days for a high school graduate to find a job. In that case, I'll be moving there right away!

I guess we can ask if the job was advertised prior to him returning to Norway, or if it just suddenly ~opened~ up?

(And of course, there are always going to be people who get ahead solely on their connections. It doesn't always make it right.)

(Maybe–despite the drama it may cause—Haakon thought it was better to have him working for 2 months, rather than just lounging around at home like a bum.)

No asking is needed. Understanding of social codes is sufficient. Marius Borg is step-grandson of the King, step-son of the future King, step-brother of the future Queen. He is in the supreme top of Norway's social pyramid. Doors swing open to him.

I have to think about the court case between Louis of Luxembourg (no job, no income) and Tessy. The Court learned that the Luxembourg banks considered Louis' solvability premium class. Just the fact that he was a son of the Grand-Duke made him solvable.

Objectively this is not the case: his wife earns more than he, but nevertheless doors swing open. Exactly the same with Marius Borg. Poor cv. But doors swing open. And we see this with so many royals in all royal families all over the world.