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Old 10-05-2017, 03:17 PM
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He's a kid. And he is at an age where it's really easy to do things that seem the act of an ass. That are the act of an ass. We have all been there. We either did those things or thought about doing those things when we were young, most of us. Then life smacks us about and we learn better.

I've chosen to cut him slack and as I am a citizen of the US, it is easy for me to be generous. But, I am learning daily that it is more humane in general to cut people slack than to slap them in the face. I just don't understand the need to drag people down... What does it accomplish?
Agree! And he is given a slack, both by the media and Norwegians generally.


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Well said, I totally agree, he should be left alone

A threat to the monarchy....seriously..???
He is left alone, and he's as I wrote in post 500 (where I go into detail), not a threat to the monarchy.
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:09 PM
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Everyone knows that Marius has what he has and gets what he gets because he's the stepson of Haakon. And most people have no problem with this and there is no debate about it in the media (with the exception of a discussion on TV2 News Channel, but that was not criticism). So I don't see this as a threat to the monarchy at all.

I then wrote the following: ''He cannot participate in a TV show, being at parties with rich celebrity friends where the press is pressent, attending premieres with celebrities and pose in front of the cameras and then complain about the media attention he gets (which is in fact very small).''

And yes, Mette Marit's letter to the media was damaging and created a fierce debate in the media here, but I don't think/hope she will do something like that again. And if she feels that she must do it, then hopefully, the new PR people (who have been hired to help the CP couple) will be able to stop her.
I agree that this one instance of using connections to land this job is not a thread in itself. If Marius keeps living the jet-set life, sending out mixed message about being a private person but at the same time clearly enjoying all the benefits that he has because of the family his mother married, this might not be considered acceptable and/or unfair or ungrateful by the Norwegian people; and this could eventually (over time or based on a few specific incidents; I am not saying it is right now) pose a thread to the monarchy. It is unlikely but not unthinkable - and it should be seen in addition to the criticism that the crown princely couple has received over their lifestyle. So, I stick to the position (at least for the moment; and you are free to disagree) that it would be important for him to be aware of his position as the future king and queen's (step)son and the restrictions that puts on him while enjoying all the perks that it also brings.
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:49 PM
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I agree that this one instance of using connections to land this job is not a thread in itself. If Marius keeps living the jet-set life, sending out mixed message about being a private person but at the same time clearly enjoying all the benefits that he has because of the family his mother married, this might not be considered acceptable and/or unfair or ungrateful by the Norwegian people; and this could eventually (over time or based on a few specific incidents; I am not saying it is right now) pose a thread to the monarchy. It is unlikely but not unthinkable - and it should be seen in addition to the criticism that the crown princely couple has received over their lifestyle. So, I stick to the position (at least for the moment; and you are free to disagree) that it would be important for him to be aware of his position as the future king and queen's (step)son and the restrictions that puts on him while enjoying all the perks that it also brings.
I disagree

Look at some of the scandals of the BRF, e.g Prince Harry running around naked in Las Vegas, Sarah Ferguson (where do you begin?) and the infamous transcript of the tampon call between Charles and Camilla just to name a few (I could go on for pages).... and the British monarchy is still upright.

Marius has got a job allegedly using family connections but who doesn't use family connections to get their first job? You would be crazy not to. He may enjoy some 'perks' because he is MM's son but I expect that he has also suffered because of it. In relation to these 'perks' would it be more acceptable for Marius to live at a standard below that of the rest of his family?

He'll make mistakes as we all do, but unfortunately he won't have the luxury of the privacy that we all take for granted.

Honestly I cannot envisage this young man ever being a threat o the monarchy, even in the most unlikely of circumstances.
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Old 10-05-2017, 07:25 PM
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1. Somebody only quoted the first, third and fourth parts of my post. The second part (which was left out) together with the third and fourth part was about the situation in January.

2. And we can't compare Marius with other royal families, but we can compare him with Märtha.

Has her weirdnesses, eccentricness damaged the monarchy in the media and the political elite? Yes, it has.

Has it damaged the suport for the monarchy? No, it hasn't.

And again, everyone knows that Marius has what he has and gets what he gets because he's the stepson of Haakon. And most people (including the media) have no problem with that.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:49 PM
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I am getting a bit frustrated by loosing my text (that I tried to craft really carefully - main message: I think that we are more in agreement than it looks like at face value) all the time.

Therefore, I will just leave it at stating that I never intended to misrepresent your argument, just hoped to save some 'space' and, therefore, scrolling.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:55 PM
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No worries, I noticed that you quoted my whole post without the second part, and I just wanted to state that this was not the entire post.
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:16 PM
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Interesting to hear that Marius has now moved to Milan. I hope he enjoys living in a new country - seems that he is travelling around a lot.
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:01 PM
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I disagree

Look at some of the scandals of the BRF, e.g Prince Harry running around naked in Las Vegas, Sarah Ferguson (where do you begin?) and the infamous transcript of the tampon call between Charles and Camilla just to name a few (I could go on for pages).... and the British monarchy is still upright.

Marius has got a job allegedly using family connections but who doesn't use family connections to get their first job? You would be crazy not to. He may enjoy some 'perks' because he is MM's son but I expect that he has also suffered because of it. In relation to these 'perks' would it be more acceptable for Marius to live at a standard below that of the rest of his family?

He'll make mistakes as we all do, but unfortunately he won't have the luxury of the privacy that we all take for granted.

Honestly I cannot envisage this young man ever being a threat o the monarchy, even in the most unlikely of circumstances.
Agreed with the bold text. Princess Maria-Olympia of Greece, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York, Beatrice Borromeo, James and Pippa Middleton and list goes on have used their connections to gain advantageous employment. Marius isn't the first - or last - that will use connections to get ahead. It has happened since the dawn of time.

And as you have stated, Marius has probably suffered too from his mother's connections. More so is the lack of privacy and the constant remarks while growing up. The disadvantages certainly outweigh the benefits.
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Old 10-06-2017, 06:00 PM
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I don't think children of these known people have to do anything and have to ask anything.... they will be asked because of their name.
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:11 AM
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I feel for him. Looks like he's having a bit of a rough patch. Hope Milan gives him ballast and the new horizons he needs but in a safe place (for him).
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Marius was pictured at the BRITS official aftershow party hosted by Tempus magazine in London last night, February 21, trying out a Formula E Simulator:


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Old 02-22-2018, 12:19 PM
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Thanks. We have not see him for a while. Getting more into the limelight.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:22 AM
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A norwegian newspaper wrote informations about Marius, and his new girlfriend. The cp-couple is angry, and responded to this case.
https://www.p4.no/nyheter/kronprinsp...tikkel/730997/
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=
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Old 04-06-2018, 12:17 PM
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A norwegian newspaper wrote informations about Marius, and his new girlfriend. The cp-couple is angry, and responded to this case.
https://www.p4.no/nyheter/kronprinsp...tikkel/730997/
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=
I can understand their issue but it will be a hard line to keep as Marius has made himself more public with posing on the red carpet at various events.
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Old 04-06-2018, 12:28 PM
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A norwegian newspaper wrote informations about Marius, and his new girlfriend. The cp-couple is angry, and responded to this case.
https://www.p4.no/nyheter/kronprinsp...tikkel/730997/
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=
Well, he's a public figure, so that comes with the territory.

Silence would be better, then he would soon move from the front page to page 14. Along with the other notes about celebs.
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Old 04-07-2018, 06:12 AM
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There is little understanding in the Norwegian press for the CP-couple protesting about Marius being written about: https://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/eksp...-sekk/69680968

He is a public figure, seen out and about.

He has a very high profile Instagram account.

The press wrote he was dating a "Playboy model" - but she has posed for Playboy, so...

And apart from that he is undeniable son of the future queen of Norway.
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Old 04-07-2018, 07:29 AM
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And he is of age already.
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:24 AM
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I must confess I´m a bit surprised how Marius turned out to be! Only 5 or 6 years ago I would never had believed he would ever be interested in glitz and glam as he always occured to me as such a down-to-earth boy, intrested in environment and all sorts of sports.Anyway, I don´t judge him for his lifestyle (or what we think his lifestyle was!), it´s just interesting to see how people turn out to be when they have become grown up.
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And an article in DM about the new girlfriend of Marius

Son of Norway's Crown Princess Mette Marit dating ex Playboy model | Daily Mail Online

Marius with his new girlfriend out in London

Son of Norway’s Crown Princess and new ex-Playboy model girlfriend are pictured together | Daily Mail Online
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:15 PM
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I wrote this on Sunday, but did not have time to post it before now:

Well, some posters (in PMs and the thanks button) wanted my thoughts on this. - So, here we go:

What happened:

The (garbage) magazine Se og Hør ran an elaborate story (in late March) about the relationship between Marius Borg Høiby and his girlfriend and model Juliane Snekkstad (who was described as a ''Playboy model'' on their cover).
They stated in the article that Juliane had posed for Playboy, posted photos of herself and Marius at Skaugum on Instagram (which she has now deleted), celebrated parts of the Christmas with the CP family, and that Marius had moved in with her in London.

Here is the article/cover - with google translation:
Marius har fått ny kjæreste - Se og Hør - translation

On April 6th, The CP couple (in reality MM), then reacted as usual:

The press release - translated by me:
Kronprinsparet ønsker å ta opp forrige ukes oppslag i Se og Hør - kongehuset.no
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The CP couple wants to take up last week's publication in Se og Hør:

Se og Hør had a publication last week, focusing on the private life of Marius Borg Høiby. Marius Borg Høiby has said on many occasions that he does not wish any media attention on his private life. He is grateful that the Norwegian press has mostly respected that wish.

The CP couple finds the publication of Juliane Snekkestad in last week's Se og Hør regrettable.

We view this as a violation of the peace of private life with very unfortunate use of headlines and layout on the magazine's front page. We view Julianne as both hard-working and clever. She should have been able to avoid coming on the front cover of Se og Hør in this manner.
And unsurprisingly, Se og Hør defended themselves:
Norwegian Royal Court upset over publication of information on Marius Borg Høiby’s girlfriend – Royal Central
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The editor of Se og Hør has defended his publication by saying that the Norwegian people just happen to be interested in Marius’s private life and had the right to know more about it. Juliane herself is quite active on Instagram and even posted some photos that were said to have been taken at the home of the Crown Prince couple. These images have since been taken down. Marius is also active on Instagram but is more reserved. The last photo is of two dogs.
There is also a translation of the press release in the Royal Central article - which is rather bad (pretty sure it has been don with a google translation).
Mine (OTOH) is a direct translation of what the statement actually said.

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My opinion of this:

Was it wrong of Se og Hør to publish that article on its cover/website? No. - Why?
Because they just stated the obvious. Juliane has posed for Playboy, posted photos of herself and Marius at Skaugum on Instagram, celebrated parts of the Christmas with the CP family, and she has let Marius move in with her in London.

Was it right of the CP couple to criticize it? No. - Why?
Because Marius has participated in an epicode of the popular Norwegian teen drama Skam (in 2016), been at parties with rich/celebrity friends where the press is present, attended premieres with celebrities where he has posed in front of the cameras, and posed on several Instagram accounts with own-designed jackets with rough descriptions on.

Was it smart of the CP couple to criticize it? No. - Why?
Because as Helge Andre Njåstad (MP from the Progress Party) said on TV2 News Channel (when he was in the Studio to look at the papers on Saturday), almost no-one in Norway reads/cares about Se og Hør, but when the CP couple goes out like this, then everyone knows about it.

Will this damage the monarchy? No. - Why?
Well, despite the intense media coverage/criticism of the CP couple's bad choices (since 2013), the mega-intense criticism from Dagbladet (tabloid newspaper) about the Royal Court's finances (since 2016), the criticism of Märtha and her so-called Angel School (since 2007), the criticism of Ari (since 2001), and the criticism of Marius (since 2016), the support for the monarchy is actually increasing here. - That's due to the almost extreme personal popularity of the King and unpopular politicians (after several political scandals since last year), and this is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Read more from post 105 to 140 in the ''Norway: Republic or monarchy?'' thread.

Will this hurt the CP couple? No. - Why?
Because their reputation is already totally broken here (and it can hardly get worse than it is today, I think).

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The Media coverage of this. - Until yesterday evening:

NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation):
One balanced article and almost no mentioning of it on television.

TV2 (Largest commercial television broadcaster):
One balanced article and almost no mentioning of it on television.

VG (Tabloid, but very pro-monarchy - and the most read online newspaper in Norway):
One balanced article.

Aftenposten (Used to be pro-monarchy, but now much more balanced - and the largest printed newspaper by circulation in Norway):
One balanced article.

Other news-sites:
Mostly one article, used by all of them - written by NTB (Norwegian News Agency).

But it was the main story on the NRK and VG websites on April 6th for about an hour, but then came in the background due to the announcement of Marit Bjørgen's retirement from cross–country skiing, the same day.
(Bjørgen is very big here BTW.)

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There is little understanding in the Norwegian press for the CP-couple protesting about Marius being written about:
https://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/eksp...-sekk/69680968
Well, that's Dagbladet (which I didn't even bother to include in my media summary above).
Their hatred of the monarchy is worse than that from The Mirror, The Guardian, The Independent and Extra Bladet combined.
And yes, I use the word "hatred" - and that's because much of their criticism seems to personal, and not out of the so-called ''principle'' (a word that most republicans love to use when it comes to the monarchy).

But let's go through that article. - They talk to 4 so-called experts:

Gunnar Bodahl-Johansen (expert on press ethics): He agrees with the CP couple.

Johan T. Lindwall (Editor of Svensk Damtidning): He doesn't agrees with CP couple.
(Dagbladets favourite guy to talk to about the monarchy, he isn't even Norwegian, and not very reliable.)

Morten Hegseth (Celebrity-expert for VG): He doesn't agree with the CP couple.
(He works for Dagbladets rivalising newspaper VG, where his main task is to cover reality shows such as Paradise Hotel. - He even participated in Big Brother in 2006, and is not very reliable.)

Anine Kierulf (Jurist): She doesn't agree with the CP couple.
(Always used by Dagbladet to criticize the monarchy.)

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I wrote this today:

More news from yesterday evening and today:

TV2 article - written on two VG articles from yesterday evening:
Playboy fjernet bildene av Marius Borg Høibys kjæreste - TV2 - translation

As one can read in the article:

1. Playboy has deleted the photos of Juliane Snekkestad from their website. They say that the pictures of Snekkestad have never been printed in any paper edition, but that they were taken by Los Angeles photographer Sophia Sinclair and sent to Playboy with the 22-year-old's approval.

2. Eivor Øvrebø (Model boss in Team Models) says that Juliane has never worked on booking from Playboy - or been paid by them.
She criticizes Se og Hør and the way the magazine refers to Snekkestad. However, the criticism does not bother Ulf Andre Andersen (rditor of Se og Hør).
"That the pictures have now been removed doesn't change the fact that it was correct to call her a Playboy model," says Andesen to VG.

From me:
1. I stand by what I wrote above, but they shouldn't have described her as a ''Playboy model'' on their front cover.
2. But that's what Se og Hør does to everyone - and the article about her wasn't critical at all.
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