Marius Borg Hoiby - Discussions

[crm2317]

I think this is only a natural decision for him, he had no natural role within the royal family as an adult. I've no doubt we will see him alongside the royal family for special anniversaries, weddings or funerals.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Marius has a natural father and a natural mother. Both are also his legal father and his legal mother, both have parental authority, legal responsibilty and rights over Marius. All legal regulations concerning paternity, for example inheritance rights, exist between father Borg, mother Tjessem Høiby and their child Marius. An adoption would be impossible with both natural and legal parents alive, without one of them giving up parental authority and rights.

[TLLK]

Happy early birthday to him and good luck as he begins his new university program in a very soggy California next week.

[AdmirerUS]

Of all the "associated with royals" persons that I have come to know of since joining TRF, Marius is the one I would most wish a life deliciously rich in serendipity and good fortune. And by that, I don't mean that I wish him wealth or "success" in traditional terms.
I just hope his life is full of friends and experiences that become stories, I hope he laughs much and learns things that he values. I hope he lives every decade in a different way and has a long and full life.
I've read some highly judgemental things about him here. And clearly - he never earned that scorn. I wish him the very best, because he deserves a break or two given what he has put up with over his youth.

[Prisma]

I wish Marius a happy birthday and best of luck for the future. I've always admired how the NRF welcomed him and now he can enjoy that closeness in private (except for occasional family events).

[polyesco]

A few mentions in the American press
Norway's crown princess to media: leave my oldest son alone | Miami Herald
Norway's crown princess to media: leave my oldest son alone | News & Observer

Norway's Marius Borg Hoiby to Quit Public Life

Hopefully he gets the privacy he wants.

picture of his confirmation, in front of the portrait of Olav V
http://www.kongehuset.no/aim/kongehu...file.image.jpg

and of course wearing the "official" welcome to the USA jacket
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOnOlZih...by=marius_borg

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Marius has a natural father and a natural mother. Both are also his legal father and his legal mother, both have parental authority, legal responsibilty and rights over Marius. All legal regulations concerning paternity, for example inheritance rights, exist between father Borg, mother Tjessem Høiby and their child Marius. An adoption would be impossible with both natural and legal parents alive, without one of them giving up parental authority and rights.

HRH Olof Daniel, Prince of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland officially changed his name on his Swedish documents from "Olof Daniel Westling" to "Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte", taking his wife's family name. Although the situation is different (i.e. a change of name by marriage), he officially became in practice a member of his wife's family, which is what I meant by "being adopted into the family" in a broader sense. That was done, I believe, so that Crown Princess Victoria's children could inherit the Bernadotte name in male line and I don't suppose Daniel's parents objected to it (as they might have if they came , I regret to say that, from a more "illustrious" family).

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly when I mentioned "adoption", but my point about Marius was that, if he had been accepted as a full member of the Norwegian royal family, he would have somehow legally taken up the Royal Family's patrilineal family name (whatever that is). However, he kept his father's last name, implying he always belonged to a different family, but was nonetheless raised by the Norwegian Royal Family, or, more precisely, by CP Haakon and CP Mette-Marit, by virtue of being a minor under the guardianship of his mother. Now that he is an adult, no such link exists anymore. Sure, he will still be invited to weddings, funerals, or maybe even for Christmas, but his invitation will be in his capacity as a relative (actually a son) of his mother's, and not as a member of the (Norwegian royal) family, which is a big conceptual difference.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

Of all the "associated with royals" persons that I have come to know of since joining TRF, Marius is the one I would most wish a life deliciously rich in serendipity and good fortune. And by that, I don't mean that I wish him wealth or "success" in traditional terms.
I just hope his life is full of friends and experiences that become stories, I hope he laughs much and learns things that he values. I hope he lives every decade in a different way and has a long and full life.
I've read some highly judgemental things about him here. And clearly - he never earned that scorn. I wish him the very best, because he deserves a break or two given what he has put up with over his youth.

What exactly has he "put up with over his youth", other than wealth and privilege, which he would otherwise never have experienced if his biological parents had stayed together, or his mother had married someone else other than a Crown Prince ?

I'm sorry, but you make it sound like he was a victim, when, from my perspective, he was extremely fortunate given his initial natural prospect as a single mom's son.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

HRH Olof Daniel, Prince of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland officially changed his name on his Swedish documents from "Olof Daniel Westling" to "Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte", taking his wife's family name. Although the situation is different (i.e. a change of name by marriage), he officially became in practice a member of his wife's family, which is what I meant by "being adopted into the family" in a broader sense. That was done, I believe, so that Crown Princess Victoria's children could inherit the Bernadotte name in male line and I don't suppose Daniel's parents objected to it (as they might have if they came , I regret to say that, from a more "illustrious" family).

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly when I mentioned "adoption", but my point about Marius was that, if he had been accepted as a full member of the Norwegian royal family, he would have somehow legally taken up the Royal Family's patrilineal family name (whatever that is). However, he kept his father's last name, implying he always belonged to a different family, but was nonetheless raised by the Norwegian Royal Family, or, more precisely, by CP Haakon and CP Mette-Marit, by virtue of being a minor under the guardianship of his mother. Now that he is an adult, no such link exists anymore. Sure, he will still be invited to weddings, funerals, or maybe even for Christmas, but his invitation will be in his capacity as a relative (actually a son) of his mother's, and not as a member of the (Norwegian royal) family, which is a big conceptual difference.

Again, he has his own father. Why should Marius take the Royal last name? For him to be a member of the total family, have their name, Haakon would have to adopt him. Marius us not an adult who can legally change his last name, well now he is, like Daniel. You want them to go to court and strip Marius of his birth father, just so he can have a name?

Yes totally agree. It was obvious he was being snubbed. Haakon and his family only took the child out of obligation. I ,Dan the king and queen obviously have nothing to go with him (as you emphasize only Haakon and Mette). And Haakon is the epitome of evil stepfather. They denied him their last na,e clearly because he hadn't family.

Oh wait, I somehow remember tons of private photos showing Marius with Haakon and his royal step grandparents. Oh I must be dreaming

[ROYAL NORWAY]

I don't have the time to post/translate all the articles, but this letter has created a fierce debate in Norway. The media, Press Association, and several serious experts have reacted with anger after the Crown Princess's criticism. And the TV news and Norway's only news channel has been full of it, both yesterday and today.

And as several experts say: Marius has been shielded from the press since the wedding in 2001, but he must expect attention when he seeks it.

He parties with rich friends (which has been posted on instagram by his friends), he attends premieres with celebrity friends, he poses for a picture with Justin Bieber, he has been a supernumerary actor in one of Norway's most popular television series etc.

And now the court says (to Norwegian television) that Marius don't want to be mentioned in the press, whether it is criticism or not.

The only people who have defended Mette-Marit/Marius are some politicians and Kjell Arne Totland, but even he has criticized Marius. Not so much in this article, but on television:

Totland: Mette-Marits brev en kjærlighetserklæring

''I'm not so sure that the letter was solely intended as a rebuke of the press; I see that part as well, but first and foremost I think this is a declaration of love, a tribute from a mother to a son who is about to fly the coop,'' Totland told TV2.

''I agree that the letter contains criticism, but mostly it is a tribute to Marius who have had to endure to be a part of her family without either having a title or a position. It must have been a bit difficult for him'', says Totland.

''But as a member of the Crown Prince family, Marius Borg Høiby are in public interest'', he said.

''We must probably also say that Marius himself is a cause of much of the interest in him. He has been a frequent user of social media'', says Totland.

And in this video (to those of you who understands Norwegian) Kjell Arne Totland talks about the letter:
En kjærlighetserklæring fra en mor til en sønn

[HereditaryPrincess]

I can understand Marius's wish to become a private person. Even though he has been very kindly included in the NRF, he isn't biologically a "complete" member of the family and from the majority of what I've read, it appears that he isn't terribly fond of the limelight so this choice makes sense to me. I wish him all the best for the future.

[polyesco]

thank you Royal Norway for the summaries and translations

a few more articles
https://www.nrk.no/norge/marius-borg....no-1.13313753
Slottet: – Marius Borg Høiby har ikke lyst til å være kjendis - Kongehuset - VG

did not know he participated in a tv show
https://gfx.nrk.no/1H07U-jmifSKLrpmU...v3fLIlm1TXeCjw

[Tatiana Maria]

Thank you for your informative and relevant post, Royal Norway.

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Maybe I didn't express myself correctly when I mentioned "adoption", but my point about Marius was that, if he had been accepted as a full member of the Norwegian royal family, he would have somehow legally taken up the Royal Family's patrilineal family name (whatever that is). [...]

Six out of the fourteen full members of the Royal Family of Norway have not taken a royal family name or a royal title. (As an aside, Høiby is the Crown Princess's maiden name.)

The Royal House of Norway belongs to the House of Glücksburg. The members of the Norwegian Royal House are Their Majesties King Harald and Queen Sonja and Their Royal Highnesses Crown Prince Haakon, Crown Princess Mette-Marit and Princess Ingrid Alexandra.

The remaining members of the Royal Family are the Crown Prince and Crown Princess’s other children, His Highness Prince Sverre Magnus and Mr Marius Borg Høiby; Her Highness Princess Märtha Louise, Mr Ari Mikael Behn, Miss Maud Angelica Behn, Miss Leah Isadora Behn, Miss Emma Tallulah Behn, Her Highness Princess Astrid, Mrs Ferner, and Mr Erling Sven Lorentzen.

The Royal House of Norway - The Royal Family

[camelot23ca]

I wish Marius all the best in his future endeavours, and I understand a mother's frustration at what she sees as unfair treatment of her child, but it sounds like it might be time to cut the apron strings. Marius is twenty - with few exceptions, that's well beyond the age a mother should be writing a letter on behalf of her son. If Marius wished to make a public statement about his plans for the future and/or issues with the press, he should have done so himself.

Either way, it would have been wiser to issue a short statement about his retreat into completely private life, and to leave the whining about the press out of it entirely.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by polyesco

thank you Royal Norway for the summaries and translations

a few more articles
https://www.nrk.no/norge/marius-borg....no-1.13313753
Slottet: – Marius Borg Høiby har ikke lyst til å være kjendis - Kongehuset - VG

did not know he participated in a tv show
https://gfx.nrk.no/1H07U-jmifSKLrpmU...v3fLIlm1TXeCjw

1. You're very welcome!

2. It was a very small role, but yes he did. And Shame (name of the series) is very popular among young people.

[Ish]

Originally Posted by camelot23ca

I wish Marius all the best in his future endeavours, and I understand a mother's frustration at what she sees as unfair treatment of her child, but it sounds like it might be time to cut the apron strings. Marius is twenty - with few exceptions, that's well beyond the age a mother should be writing a letter on behalf of her son. If Marius wished to make a public statement about his plans for the future and/or issues with the press, he should have done so himself.

Either way, it would have been wiser to issue a short statement about his retreat into completely private life, and to leave the whining about the press out of it entirely.

You think that the way that it should have been announced that Marius was pursuing a private life was for him to issue a public statement? I hope you appreciate the irony of that...

I can't see why a mother shouldn't be able to release a statement in regards to her child even if the child is an adult, particularly if the child is not a public person (or is requesting to not be a public person).

[camelot23ca]

Originally Posted by Ish

You think that the way that it should have been announced that Marius was pursuing a private life was for him to issue a public statement? I hope you appreciate the irony of that...

A public statement announcing that someone has decided to pursue a private life is ironic no matter who it comes from. A decision announcing an adult's decision to pursue a private life coupled with a letter from his upset mummy adds silliness to irony. And in this case, apparently, a needless dust up with the Norwegian media.

If there were grievances that were important enough to be addressed in such a public fashion, yes, I believe Marius should have been the one addressing them.

I think the best case scenario would have been no statements at all.

[Katrianna]

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

1. You're very welcome!

2. It was a very small role, but yes he did. And Shame (name of the series) is very popular among young people.

Didn't Marius stir controversy some months ago when he put one of his mother's designer handbags up for sale on E Bay or another bidding site and posted a photo of it from the Palace?
It is ironic for his mother to announce he's attending university in the US and then warn the press to maintain his privacy. Not only the US, but to place him in California. It just slays me. Not only Royals, but celebs do this. If true privacy is desired, then don't make an announcement or if down the line the press inquires about Marius being absent from family activities or whatnot, state he's now attending university and leave it or university at an undisclosed location due to privacy.

[fortimo]

I didn't have the feeling in the past years, that he was followed by the press so much. I don't think, that we have seen photos about him, or heard any news about him, except the most important life-events. I don't know how was in Norway in these years, but in the rest part of the world he was not offen mentioned. I also think it was total unnecessary to write this letter. A short statement would be enough.

[Princess Luna]

Originally Posted by Katrianna

Didn't Marius stir controversy some months ago when he put one of his mother's designer handbags up for sale on E Bay or another bidding site and posted a photo of it from the Palace?
It is ironic for his mother to announce he's attending university in the US and then warn the press to maintain his privacy. Not only the US, but to place him in California. It just slays me. Not only Royals, but celebs do this. If true privacy is desired, then don't make an announcement or if down the line the press inquires about Marius being absent from family activities or whatnot, state he's now attending university and leave it or university at an undisclosed location due to privacy.

No, he didn't put his mothers designer handbags for sale on E-bay. But he did put some of his own things ( Louis Vuitton suitcase, Watch and a camera )on an norwegian bidding site.