Ingrid Alexandra's 18th birthday: 21 January, 2022 & birthday celebrations - Page 25

Prinsara · #**481** 06-18-2022, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by norwegianne

No, she seems to have aged a bit in the past year(s). Since she has dyed her hair for so long, it is hard to fathom that she turns 85 this year, and is older than Queen Margrethe, but watching the coverage yesterday, she suddenly looked a bit lost, yes.

I think she also seemed as emotional as MM and the rest, but I'm not sure why she would be "lost" with the entire family right there. Perhaps it's just that King Harald's more laid-back attitude is easier to maintain.

Mbruno · #**482** 06-18-2022, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prinsara

I think she also seemed as emotional as MM and the rest, but I'm not sure why she would be "lost" with the entire family right there. Perhaps it's just that King Harald's more laid-back attitude is easier to maintain.

I didn't notice her being "lost" at any time.

Marius, on the other hand, looked like he would rather be (or was) somewhere else to be honest. Maybe it was just my impression.

Tatiana Maria · #**483** 06-18-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

Yes, It was a thanking-speech for having received the dinner as a birthday-gift. But she also said that her visits to the 3 state authorities in January (i.e. the parliament, supreme court and the prime minister's office) ''were really a reminder of how lucky we are here in Norway.''
That it was ''a reminder of our democracy and the secure governance system we have.'' And ''what we Norwegians have built up over a long period of time, and which we continue to develop, and protect, every day.''

She went on to say that she ''feel very lucky to have grown up in a country where we trust each other, and where we together try to find good solutions. Solutions that enable as many people as possible to have it as best as possible. This is a principle that it is important that we in Norway uphold.''

Because ''trust'' she said ''is not created by individuals, politicians or institutions alone. It is created by all of us - together. I am glad to share that with all of you who are here today, and all who live in our country.''

Thanks for translating those passages. Her reflections seem apropos of the opening of the Utøya memorial just now. She also addressed the Utøya attacks in her birthday interview with NRK, I recall.

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I notice the salutation of the speech did not include "Your Majesties" or some other phrase referring to the members of the Royal Family, which would be the usual protocol for speeches at European royal events. I thought that was also the case in Norway, but I may very well be mistaken.

Well, it is! And she did it during her confirmation speech at the luncheon at the palace in 2019 and will probably do it tonight.
But the dinner yesterday was hosted by the government and not attended by foreign royals, so she just said: ''President of the Storting, Prime Minister, Chief Justice, dear everyone.''

Interesting, so the formal salutation is only used when foreign royals are present? Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting your comment and what you meant is that the government's role as host was the fundamental point concerning protocol.

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Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

1. It's quite usual in egalitarian Norway to use ''du'' (which is the informal you) instead of ''de'' (which is the formal one). QMII and Prince Joachim of Denmark BTW seem to love the latter and have actually reprimanded Danish journalists for saying du instead of de.

Thanks, and that's a credit to the royal family and the level of equality in Norwegian society.

But is it usual even when addressing the King himself? I may be wrong, but I think in Sweden the formal you is used for King Carl XVI Gustaf (and Queen Silvia?) while the informal you is used for his children.

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1. It's usual for the prime minister to escort the royal guest of honour during government-dinners.

I appreciate the correction and withdraw my comment in regards to this event. (In the long term, I still suggest it would be prudent to end the tradition, preferably before Norway receives a polarizing prime minister who not all voters will be happy to see partnered with senior royals at official events).

Thank you for the links!

Mbruno · #**484** 06-18-2022, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Thanks, and that's a credit to the royal family and the level of equality in Norwegian society.

But is it usual even when addressing the King himself? I may be wrong, but I think in Sweden the formal you is used for King Carl XVI Gustaf (and Queen Silvia?) while the informal you is used for his children.

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

Lori138 · #**485** 06-18-2022, 03:15 PM

I think that IA has grown to be a very beautiful young woman and looks most like her father.

Somebody · #**486** 06-18-2022, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

Interesting. That practice was common in my family for addressing uncles and aunts (who were quite a bit older as my mother was the youngest). 'U' (formal) feels too distant and 'jij' (informal - used for parents) not appropriate either. And I guess as young children many grandparents and uncles and aunts (and parents) tend to talk about themselves in the third person as well, so that practice just sticks (except for parents).

LadyFinn · #**487** 06-18-2022, 03:41 PM

This is cute:
https://www.imago-images.de/bild/st/0161146451/w.jpg

Estelle
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Erin9 · #**488** 06-18-2022, 03:45 PM

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This is cute:

https://www.imago-images.de/bild/st/0161146451/w.jpg

Estelle

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That is cute. Charles got the attention of all the girls. :)

Moonmaiden23 · #**489** 06-18-2022, 03:51 PM

Charles making his debut as a ladies man. Too cute!

Princess Estelle is so pretty!

suztav · #**490** 06-18-2022, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by norwegianne

No, she seems to have aged a bit in the past year(s). Since she has dyed her hair for so long, it is hard to fathom that she turns 85 this year, and is older than Queen Margrethe, but watching the coverage yesterday, she suddenly looked a bit lost, yes.

Thank you for understanding what I meant.

**An Ard Ri** · #**491** 06-18-2022, 03:58 PM

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I don't necessarily accept that Queen Letizia didn't attend solely because of Marie-Chantal as they were together not so long ago at Prince Philip's service of Thanksgiving in London.

Both of them were present at the service but they were not together nor did I see any photos of them in each others company.

Tatiana Maria · #**492** 06-18-2022, 04:15 PM

Prinsara · #**493** 06-18-2022, 04:19 PM

Charles with his older harem is very cute.

Estelle really is radiant. She must have had a blast, and I'll hope she'll have many more as she gets older.

https://www.royalcourt.no/taler.html...648&sek=113092 Speeches from the dinner are available in English here, and have already been linked.

Tatiana Maria · #**494** 06-18-2022, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Prinsara

https://www.royalcourt.no/taler.html...648&sek=113092 Speeches from the dinner are available in English here, and have already been linked.

The English translations were not yet uploaded when I checked the same link earlier today, and they have not been linked on this forum before (though some of the Norwegian transcripts were). Thank you for posting the news, and I will try to edit the links into my previous post.

Prinsara · #**495** 06-18-2022, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

The English translations were not yet uploaded when I checked the same link earlier today, and they have not been linked on this forum before (though some of the Norwegian transcripts were). Thank you for posting the news, and I will try to edit the links into my previous post.

However they were linked as Google translate by norwegianne here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2475371

Tatiana Maria · #**496** 06-18-2022, 04:42 PM

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However they were linked as Google translate by norwegianne here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2475371

Yes, norwegianne kindly posted Google translations of the first two out of the four speeches (which I appreciated yesterday), but you were responding to my post which linked to all of the speeches and originally said at the end (before I edited it to add the English translations):

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There are no official English translations as yet, but the Royal Court provided English translations of the articles and speeches from the Princess's confirmation in 2019, so I am hopeful.

Prinsara · #**497** 06-18-2022, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Yes, norwegianne kindly posted Google translations of the first two out of the four speeches (which I appreciated yesterday), but you were responding to my post which originally said (before I edited it to add the English translations):

Yes, but without that post it would not have occurred to me that English translations were available, or to try and find them, so the unofficial translations are inadvertently responsible for these coming to light faster.

Tatiana Maria · #**498** 06-18-2022, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Prinsara

Yes, but without that post it would not have occurred to me that English translations were available, or to try and find them, so the unofficial translations are inadvertently responsible for these coming to light faster.

Thank you for finding them, it's appreciated. I hope the articles about the dinners will be translated as well, if they haven't already.

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

The third-person address is used in Norway as well.

Lady Daly · #**499** 06-18-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien

HM looking frail,and in pain.Poor man.

Yes, very much so. His struggle to carry himself walking the long distance was very revealing. King Harald is an amazing man, committed to his family and country!

Mbruno · #**500** 06-18-2022, 06:18 PM

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Yes, very much so. His struggle to carry himself walking the long distance was very revealing. King Harald is an amazing man, committed to his family and country!

His speech had an intriguing line about how Haakon and Ingrid-Alexandra will still have to put up with him for a little longer. It is clear that he has no intention to abdicate.