Ingrid Alexandra's 18th birthday: 21 January, 2022 & birthday celebrations

[Prinsara]

No, she seems to have aged a bit in the past year(s). Since she has dyed her hair for so long, it is hard to fathom that she turns 85 this year, and is older than Queen Margrethe, but watching the coverage yesterday, she suddenly looked a bit lost, yes.

I think she also seemed as emotional as MM and the rest, but I'm not sure why she would be "lost" with the entire family right there. Perhaps it's just that King Harald's more laid-back attitude is easier to maintain.

 

[Mbruno]

I think she also seemed as emotional as MM and the rest, but I'm not sure why she would be "lost" with the entire family right there. Perhaps it's just that King Harald's more laid-back attitude is easier to maintain.

I didn't notice her being "lost" at any time.



Marius, on the other hand, looked like he would rather be (or was) somewhere else to be honest. Maybe it was just my impression.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Yes, It was a thanking-speech for having received the dinner as a birthday-gift. But she also said that her visits to the 3 state authorities in January (i.e. the parliament, supreme court and the prime minister's office) ''were really a reminder of how lucky we are here in Norway.''
That it was ''a reminder of our democracy and the secure governance system we have.'' And ''what we Norwegians have built up over a long period of time, and which we continue to develop, and protect, every day.''

She went on to say that she ''feel very lucky to have grown up in a country where we trust each other, and where we together try to find good solutions. Solutions that enable as many people as possible to have it as best as possible. This is a principle that it is important that we in Norway uphold.''

Because ''trust'' she said ''is not created by individuals, politicians or institutions alone. It is created by all of us - together. I am glad to share that with all of you who are here today, and all who live in our country.''

Thanks for translating those passages. Her reflections seem apropos of the opening of the Utøya memorial just now. She also addressed the Utøya attacks in her birthday interview with NRK, I recall.

I notice the salutation of the speech did not include "Your Majesties" or some other phrase referring to the members of the Royal Family, which would be the usual protocol for speeches at European royal events. I thought that was also the case in Norway, but I may very well be mistaken.

Well, it is! And she did it during her confirmation speech at the luncheon at the palace in 2019 and will probably do it tonight.
But the dinner yesterday was hosted by the government and not attended by foreign royals, so she just said: ''President of the Storting, Prime Minister, Chief Justice, dear everyone.''

Interesting, so the formal salutation is only used when foreign royals are present? Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting your comment and what you meant is that the government's role as host was the fundamental point concerning protocol.

1. It's quite usual in egalitarian Norway to use ''du'' (which is the informal you) instead of ''de'' (which is the formal one). QMII and Prince Joachim of Denmark BTW seem to love the latter and have actually reprimanded Danish journalists for saying du instead of de.

Thanks, and that's a credit to the royal family and the level of equality in Norwegian society. But is it usual even when addressing the King himself? I may be wrong, but I think in Sweden the formal you is used for King Carl XVI Gustaf (and Queen Silvia?) while the informal you is used for his children.

1. It's usual for the prime minister to escort the royal guest of honour during government-dinners.

I appreciate the correction and withdraw my comment in regards to this event. (In the long term, I still suggest it would be prudent to end the tradition, preferably before Norway receives a polarizing prime minister who not all voters will be happy to see partnered with senior royals at official events).


Thank you for the links!

 

[Mbruno]

Thanks, and that's a credit to the royal family and the level of equality in Norwegian society. But is it usual even when addressing the King himself? I may be wrong, but I think in Sweden the formal you is used for King Carl XVI Gustaf (and Queen Silvia?) while the informal you is used for his children.

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

 

[Lori138]

I think that IA has grown to be a very beautiful young woman and looks most like her father.

 

[Somebody]

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

Interesting. That practice was common in my family for addressing uncles and aunts (who were quite a bit older as my mother was the youngest). 'U' (formal) feels too distant and 'jij' (informal - used for parents) not appropriate either. And I guess as young children many grandparents and uncles and aunts (and parents) tend to talk about themselves in the third person as well, so that practice just sticks (except for parents).

 

[LadyFinn]

This is cute:
https://www.imago-images.de/bild/st/0161146451/w.jpg

Estelle
Pic

 

[Erin9]

This is cute:

https://www.imago-images.de/bild/st/0161146451/w.jpg



Estelle

Pic

That is cute. Charles got the attention of all the girls.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Charles making his debut as a ladies man. Too cute!

Princess Estelle is so pretty!

 

[suztav]

No, she seems to have aged a bit in the past year(s). Since she has dyed her hair for so long, it is hard to fathom that she turns 85 this year, and is older than Queen Margrethe, but watching the coverage yesterday, she suddenly looked a bit lost, yes.

Thank you for understanding what I meant.

 

[An Ard Ri]

I don't necessarily accept that Queen Letizia didn't attend solely because of Marie-Chantal as they were together not so long ago at Prince Philip's service of Thanksgiving in London.

Both of them were present at the service but they were not together nor did I see any photos of them in each others company.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The Royal Court's report on the dinner at Deichman Bjørvika
https://www.kongehuset.no/nyhet.html?tid=212538&sek=26939

The Royal Court's report on the dinner at the Royal Palace
https://www.kongehuset.no/nyhet.html?tid=212622&sek=26939
English translation: https://www.royalcourt.no/nyhet.html?tid=212622&sek=27262
Menu: https://www.kongehuset.no/artikkel.html?tid=212511&sek=112472

Group photographs with descriptions
Norwegian: https://www.kongehuset.no/nyhet.html?tid=212629&sek=26939
English: https://www.royalcourt.no/nyhet.html?tid=212629&sek=27262



Transcripts of the speeches

At the government's official dinner at Deichman Bjørvika

Speech of the Prime Minister
https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktue...ale-til-prinsesse-ingrid-alexandra/id2919378/

Speech of Princess Ingrid Alexandra
https://www.kongehuset.no/tale.html?tid=212517&sek=26947&scope=0


At the King and Queen's gala dinner at the Royal Palace

Speech of the Queen
https://www.kongehuset.no/tale.html?tid=212588&sek=26947&scope=0
English translation
https://www.royalcourt.no/tale.html?tid=212588&sek=28409&scope=27248

Speech of the King
https://www.kongehuset.no/tale.html?tid=212589&sek=26947&scope=0
English translation
https://www.royalcourt.no/tale.html?tid=212589&sek=28409&scope=27248

Speech of Princess Ingrid Alexandra
https://www.kongehuset.no/tale.html?tid=212613&sek=26947&scope=0
English translation
https://www.royalcourt.no/tale.html?tid=212613&sek=28409&scope=27248

Speech of the Crown Prince and Crown Princess
https://www.kongehuset.no/tale.html?tid=212614&sek=26947&scope=0
English translation
https://www.royalcourt.no/tale.html?tid=212614&sek=28409&scope=27248

 

[Prinsara]

Charles with his older harem is very cute.

Estelle really is radiant. She must have had a blast, and I'll hope she'll have many more as she gets older.

https://www.royalcourt.no/taler.html?tid=28648&sek=113092 Speeches from the dinner are available in English here, and have already been linked.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

https://www.royalcourt.no/taler.html?tid=28648&sek=113092 Speeches from the dinner are available in English here, and have already been linked.

The English translations were not yet uploaded when I checked the same link earlier today, and they have not been linked on this forum before (though some of the Norwegian transcripts were). Thank you for posting the news, and I will try to edit the links into my previous post.

 

[Prinsara]

The English translations were not yet uploaded when I checked the same link earlier today, and they have not been linked on this forum before (though some of the Norwegian transcripts were). Thank you for posting the news, and I will try to edit the links into my previous post.

However they were linked as Google translate by norwegianne here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...rthday-celebrations-49074-19.html#post2475371

 

[Tatiana Maria]

However they were linked as Google translate by norwegianne here: https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...rthday-celebrations-49074-19.html#post2475371

Yes, norwegianne kindly posted Google translations of the first two out of the four speeches (which I appreciated yesterday), but you were responding to my post which linked to all of the speeches and originally said at the end (before I edited it to add the English translations):

There are no official English translations as yet, but the Royal Court provided English translations of the articles and speeches from the Princess's confirmation in 2019, so I am hopeful.

 

[Prinsara]

Yes, norwegianne kindly posted Google translations of the first two out of the four speeches (which I appreciated yesterday), but you were responding to my post which originally said (before I edited it to add the English translations):

Yes, but without that post it would not have occurred to me that English translations were available, or to try and find them, so the unofficial translations are inadvertently responsible for these coming to light faster. ?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Yes, but without that post it would not have occurred to me that English translations were available, or to try and find them, so the unofficial translations are inadvertently responsible for these coming to light faster. ?

Thank you for finding them, it's appreciated. I hope the articles about the dinners will be translated as well, if they haven't already.

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

The third-person address is used in Norway as well.

 

[Lady Daly]

HM looking frail,and in pain.Poor man.

Yes, very much so. His struggle to carry himself walking the long distance was very revealing. King Harald is an amazing man, committed to his family and country!

 

[Mbruno]

Yes, very much so. His struggle to carry himself walking the long distance was very revealing. King Harald is an amazing man, committed to his family and country!

His speech had an intriguing line about how Haakon and Ingrid-Alexandra will still have to put up with him for a little longer. It is clear that he has no intention to abdicate.

 

[JR76]

The Swedish speakers can answer your question, but my understanding, which may be wrong, is that, in modern Swedish, rather than using "You (formal)", it is more common to use 3rd person address in formal contexts. For example, when addressing the Crown Princess, one would say: "Is the Crown Princess looking forward to the jubilee celebrations next year?".

The formal you -"ni" is used mainly by those younger than ca 45. For many of those older it's even considered rude since it both signifies a wish to maintain a distance and because it was historically used to address those below yourself on the social ladder. The fact that those younger who use it do so as a matter of showing respect makes for some challenging situations. Personally I detest being addressed by "ni".
The Royal family is said to accept the use in daily speech of royal titles as in your example above, but both the King and the Crown Princess have expressed a determination to uphold a respectful address in speech to their positions.
Crown Princess Victoria said in an interview many years ago that she preferred to be addressed with her title, but is nowadays often addressed by both her first name or by the informal you -"du" without reacting negatively. This, I believe, is because of her not wanting to make the person addressing her uncomfortable and because she's realised that different occasions warrants different protocols.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The Royal Court did indeed publish an official English translation of its article on the dinner at the palace, but it seems they will not be translating the article on the government dinner at Deichman or the speeches from that evening.

https://www.royalcourt.no/aktuelt.html?tid=27678&sek=27262

The Court also published the three royal group photographs on its website with captions identifying the included guests.

https://www.royalcourt.no/nyhet.html?tid=212629&sek=27262
https://www.kongehuset.no/nyhet.html?tid=212629&sek=26939

Weirdly enough, both the Norwegian and English versions describe the first group photograph with Princess Ingrid Alexandra, the Princess of Orange, Princess Elisabeth of Belgium Duchess of Brabant, Princess Estelle of Sweden and Prince Charles of Luxembourg as "the five heirs to the throne taking part in tonight's celebrations", even though there were other heirs to thrones (Crown Prince Haakon first and foremost) who were guests that evening.

The Royal family is said to accept the use in daily speech of royal titles as in your example above, but both the King and the Crown Princess have expressed a determination to uphold a respectful address in speech to their positions.

What do they consider to be the respectful address for their positions?

 

[Erin9]

I don't necessarily accept that Queen Letizia didn't attend solely because of Marie-Chantal as they were together not so long ago at Prince Philip's service of Thanksgiving in London.


Princess Ingrid-Alexandra's 18th birthday gala, as glamorous as it might have been, is not an event to be attended by sovereign monarchs. Unsurprisingly, the royal couple of Sweden, the grand ducal couple of Luxembourg, the Queen of Denmark, and the King of the Belgians did not attend either. And there were no representatives of the British royal family. The crown princely couples of Denmark and Sweden were present because Frederik and Victoria are I-A's godparents and are also personal close friends of Haakon and MM.



I believe King Felipe VI also attended mostly as a godfather (otherwise I wouldn't expect the King of Spain to attend such a low-level event). It was a little bit odd, however, once Felipe had confirmed his presence, that his wife would not accompany him. I didn't quite get Mathilde attending alone either when her husband as expected did not, but that is not the first time (Mathilde was also solo at Carl Philip's wedding for example).

Why would Letizia have a problem being around MC? I’m missing some backstory.

 

[Lori138]

Why would Letizia have a problem being around MC? I’m missing some backstory.

Thanks for posting, I was wondering the same thing and would be interested to hear it.

 

[W.Y.CII]

You may read the previous pages of this thread and there were already some discussions occurred couples time.

This is cute:
https://www.imago-images.de/bild/st/0161146451/w.jpg

Estelle
Pic

That's soooooo cute. Would be interesting if they reenact it when they all grow up.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

Thanks for posting, I was wondering the same thing and would be interested to hear it.

you find the back story here.
https://www.thelocal.es/20180404/ri...ws-queen-letizia-clashing-with-mother-in-law/

 

[iceflower]

The ongoing discussion about Queen Letizia and Crown Princess Marie Chantal has been removed as off topic. Please remain on topic of this thread. Thank you!

 

[Prinsara]

The cakes from the midnight supper! They came from recipes from Dagny Haraldsen, Marit Tjessem, and Renate Høiby at IA's request.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537932078104252427

 

[Jem]

Does anyone have the photos from the other birthday party of Princess Ingrid-Alexandra?
The one attended by Crown Princess CA which was posted on Crown Princess CA fashion thread.

 

[Mbruno]

Does anyone have the photos from the other birthday party of Princess Ingrid-Alexandra?
The one attended by Crown Princess CA which was posted on Crown Princess CA fashion thread.

What was that? A private party for the young crowd only? Was it the day after the gala dinner perhaps?