Discussion about Mette-Marit's past

[Wisnu]

Originally Posted by Reina

You know many ppl say that Mette-Marit is not really sophisticated or whatever like the other CP's, but that is totally irrelevant cuz she and Haakon love each other. We know she loves her country cuz she is Norwegian, but I think she is totally fit for the job. Yeah she had a past, but she got over it (even b/f she met Haakon). And I really like Haakon and Mette-Marit cuz they are unique and individual and totally themselves. And that is all that matters!

Sorry, I don't agree with you Reina. I think that is irrelevant for the head of state (even in Norway The king doesn't actually govern). The Head of State must be an example for the nation for the people whom they can follow. Even US the state of freedom, the US people still insist that the couple of presidency must free of any scandal. I think Haakon must realize that, the good example are Dutch and Belgian princes.

Wisnu

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by Wisnu

Sorry, I don't agree with you Reina. I think that is irrelevant for the head of state (even in Norway The king doesn't actually govern). The Head of State must be an example for the nation for the people whom they can follow. Even US the state of freedom, the US people still insist that the couple of presidency must free of any scandal. I think Haakon must realize that, the good example are Dutch and Belgian princes.

Wisnu

But you're talking of the Head of State, which is not Haakon, but his father.

Except for the fact that Haakon met and fell in love with a single mother I don't really see the big scandal. When you take into account that there's a large percentage of the mothers of Norway who are single... I think it reflects on our time.

Every Norwegian king since 1905 have done something to prove themselves to the people. Haakon and Olav had the second world war. King Harald's debut was the large storms on the west of Norway in 1992. Haakon will get his, when the time comes.

[lutefisk7]

Originally Posted by Wisnu

Sorry, I don't agree with you Reina. I think that is irrelevant for the head of state (even in Norway The king doesn't actually govern). The Head of State must be an example for the nation for the people whom they can follow. Even US the state of freedom, the US people still insist that the couple of presidency must free of any scandal. I think Haakon must realize that, the good example are Dutch and Belgian princes.

Wisnu

I am from the US and our current president had a cocaine problem in the past, has had multiple DUI's (Driving under the influence) and poor business sense in the past, so your comment isn't quite accurate. People can and do overlook the past.

[Jackswife]

I'm American, and can say we have had many, many scandals among our Presidents and other government leaders. I'm only commenting on MM and Haakon from afar :) but as far as I can see, they love each other very much, and Haakon seems totally smitten by little Ingrid Alexandra. It seems the controversy surrounding their marriage has only made them a stronger and more loving couple. MM also seems very devoted to Marius, which is all anyone should ask of a mother. No couple anywhere can ever escape hardships and trials-the important thing is that Haakon and MM seem very happy together, and from what I can read on this and other boards, the Norwegian people seem to accept their future Queen.

[Reina]

Everyone has a past. Why put certain ppl on pedestals. As long as their past is not a crime and an endangerment than it is ok. Mette Marit learned from he rmistakes even b/f she met Haakon and that in itself is a good example.

[princess2]

I really don`t unerstand why people still make such a big deal out of Mette Marits past. God what has she done soooo bad she didn`t kill anyone. Trying drugs well how many people do at least try it when they are young probaply 90%??? Being a singel mother?? Is that something bad? I don`t think so she should get credit for doing such a wonerful job on little Marius, all by herself.

Maybe because of what she was going through in her younger years she is such a wonderful Princess she knows how it feels not being rich and maybe that why she has hosted that dinner. Which other royal couple did something like that???

She is still down to earth and caring for commoners even though she is royal now isn`t that what we expect fom a Princess.

[Wisnu]

Originally Posted by norwegianne

But you're talking of the Head of State, which is not Haakon, but his father.

Except for the fact that Haakon met and fell in love with a single mother I don't really see the big scandal. When you take into account that there's a large percentage of the mothers of Norway who are single... I think it reflects on our time.

Every Norwegian king since 1905 have done something to prove themselves to the people. Haakon and Olav had the second world war. King Harald's debut was the large storms on the west of Norway in 1992. Haakon will get his, when the time comes.

Hello Reina,

Yes Haakon is not the head of state, but to be right ? I just want to talk that to be head of state somebody must have something to be proud of, being monarch is such as an easy job (cutting a ribbon, patronage of many social organization with many advisor behind) I think common people can do it.

But if you talk about it reflect of our time, I can say no more as I also no comment if in the next 20 years Inggrid Alexandra being a mother who are single and she also a queen.

Wisnu

[Dennism]

[QUOTE=princess2]I really don`t unerstand why people still make such a big deal out of Mette Marits past. God what has she done soooo bad she didn`t kill anyone. Trying drugs well how many people do at least try it when they are young probaply 90%???

Well, I think that is pretty bad. But that´s just me. I´m ridiculously straight on some of these things. But I don´t preach. Anyway, she has more than made up for her life ever since. Redemption, some might say.

[carlota]

Originally Posted by norwegianne

Except for the fact that Haakon met and fell in love with a single mother I don't really see the big scandal. When you take into account that there's a large percentage of the mothers of Norway who are single... I think it reflects on our time.

i don t think that's a logical explanation for that. the reflection of today's society can be asociated in some point with drugs, and not because of that royals are supposed to follow that.
i m not saying it s bad he married a single mum, but there would surely be much more other (and better) options. as i always say, royals dont have many obligations to follow, but one of them is to marry a suitable person to represent his/her country...
just my oppinion...

[Reina]

Being a royal is not an easy thing. Not just any commoner can be a royal. ANd it is much more than cutting ribbons and stuff. It is having your whole entire life splashed out and analyzed in front of your country and the whole world. Just think about what if a royal just wanted to go out in public and take a walk. Could he/she do that comfortably? No way. There is so much sacrifice in being a royal adn I am sure Mette-Marit is learning that. But isn't it great that none of the baggage of the past is instilled in her. Her story is a true fairy tale. I don't know what religion some of you are, but Christians are not supposed to look down on someone just b/c he/she had a colored past. Mette Marit had a colored past, but it is in the past. Now if she had murdered/did something really perve than I would not see Haakon marrying her, but she didn't. So I think ppl should not be so hard on her.

Besides I don't see why ppl can look down on her, but praise other CP's who have done worse things (like letizia and her past). I don't look down on either of them. Ppl pcik on Mette Marit cause she has a child and that is wrong.

[Larzen]

Letizia is divorced, that is all I know about her past, nothing wrong about that
MM had a child, nothing wrong with that.
It is the drug connection which caused a problem in Norway. Also he lacking CV

That beeing said its not like the born royal are any better.
Albert: Child out of wedlock
Juan Carlos: Cheated on his wife, makes him a lousy husband (considering he is married to a class act) but that doesn`t make him a bad king.
Dont even get me starting on Ernest August, Caroline, Stephanie.:(

I also find it strang how judgement is always placed on women and not on men.

Like many said that they wantet Felipe to marry a royal, catholic, virginal princess, when there were no signs whatsoever that he him selves lived up til especially that las part.

That beeing said I personally do not find Maxima, Mary, Mette-Marit and Letizia the best choices, Mathilde and Sophie of Lichtensteinin is IMO in a class of their own. But the princes has made their choice, they did not ask whay I thought (wonder why?:p ) The situation is as it is and now there is only to make the best of the situation.

[Reina]

Well Letizia had a much more coloured past and there are pics to prove it. But she, like MM, got over it b/f she met Felipe so they have a clean slate w/ me. ANd you are right I don't like the princes choices except for Mathilde and Sophie

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by Larzen

That beeing said its not like the born royal are any better.
Albert: Child out of wedlock
Juan Carlos: Cheated on his wife, makes him a lousy husband (considering he is married to a class act) but that doesn`t make him a bad king.
Dont even get me starting on Ernest August, Caroline, Stephanie.:(

I also find it strang how judgement is always placed on women and not on men.

Like many said that they wantet Felipe to marry a royal, catholic, virginal princess, when there were no signs whatsoever that he him selves lived up til especially that las part.

You make a very good point; blame is always cast upon the women but none on the men, and the men are capable of just as many negative and inappropriate things as the women.

Add to your list of adulterous men, Constantine of Greece and Ernst August of Hanover -- who cheated on his wife Chantal with Caroline.

And before Felipe and Frederik met their respective wives, their dating life wasn't exactly a model of wholesomeness with both men dating models who bared themselves completely.

Yes, Mette-Marit isn't a model woman to become a princess. She's done some less than perfect things in her life but so has everyone. Maybe if she could've predicted and foreshadowed that she would one day be the Crown Princess of Norway she would've abstained from doing those drugs or going to that first rave. But she's apologized for the sins of her past and is leading a very different life now; it's not as if as the Crown Princess of Norway she is still doing drugs and attending raves.

[donnaK]

Originally Posted by Reina

Well Letizia had a much more coloured past and there are pics to prove it. But she, like MM, got over it b/f she met Felipe so they have a clean slate w/ me. ANd you are right I don't like the princes choices except for Mathilde and Sophie

What pictures to prove Letizia's coloured past ? You have some to show us ?

[Reina]

Noooo. Unofrtunately I saw some, but I could not help it. I was reading an article online about her and there they were, but they were not wholesome at all. I quickly left that site. But I heard that there was also a painting of her that was quite suggestive.

[Ennyllorac]

Originally Posted by Reina

Noooo. Unofrtunately I saw some, but I could not help it. I was reading an article online about her and there they were, but they were not wholesome at all. I quickly left that site. But I heard that there was also a painting of her that was quite suggestive.

Do you realize that pictures can be faked? Anything can be done to pictures. If there were truly pictures of her that were not wholesome they would have surfaced a long time ago.

[Ennyllorac]

Now that I have put my two cents in I think we need to get back to topic. So... what's new with Haakon and Mette-Marit?


In my humble opinion, I think that she has done a good job in adapting and carrying on with dignity and without scandal. Let's leave her past in the past. We are not here to judge.

[donnaK]

Originally Posted by Reina

Noooo. Unofrtunately I saw some, but I could not help it. I was reading an article online about her and there they were, but they were not wholesome at all. I quickly left that site. But I heard that there was also a painting of her that was quite suggestive.

Well, there were plenty of fake pictures online. Regarding the painting, both royal house and the painter (Waldo) denied that she posed for the painting. One of the two paintings was done in 2000 long after Letizia left Mexico.

[Reina]

But I read it on like the bbc and they said that it was credible. why would ppl make up a lie like that against her?

[donnaK]

BBC was showing her coloured past and pictures to prove it, and the rest of media outlets failed to echo the news. Sounds like a fiction to me. I did see a put-together fake picture with Letizia's news anchorwoman face and a bikini model picture showing her breast (originally I thought that was Eva's body, but it was not Eva either) in the European independant news (it appeared in some of the websites first), but never in BBC.