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Old 05-23-2020, 05:15 PM
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This is from unofficialroyalty.com, which states that the current surname most members of the Belgian RF use is van België (see a few questions down):

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It specifically states that they use "the family name was changed in 1920 to van België, de Belgique or von Belgien (“of Belgium”) in the country’s three official languages (Dutch, French and German)."

So, it references the surname in three languages - however, it's an unofficial website, so that doesn't say much about the actual usage by the family members (who indeed seem to prefer the French spelling of both first and surname); for example, how often do you read 'King Filip of Belgium'?
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It specifically states that they use "the family name was changed in 1920 to van België, de Belgique or von Belgien (“of Belgium”) in the country’s three official languages (Dutch, French and German)."

So, it references the surname in three languages - however, it's an unofficial website, so that doesn't say much about the actual usage by the family members (who indeed seem to prefer the French spelling of both first and surname); for example, how often do you read 'King Filip of Belgium'?
Plus he's the King of the Belgians, not the King of Belgium, so using that would be technically incorrect?
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It specifically states that they use "the family name was changed in 1920 to van België, de Belgique or von Belgien (“of Belgium”) in the country’s three official languages (Dutch, French and German).
The website likely sourced its information from the website of the Belgian government, which indeed used to state the above. However, the government's information was incorrect (and has been removed). The more comprehensive sources which I have consulted (including this one) state that King Albert I renounced the usage of German titles (not family names) in April 1921 (not 1920).

This topic has been discussed extensively (and additional sources are posted) in the "Titles of the Belgian Royal Family" thread.


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Plus he's the King of the Belgians, not the King of Belgium, so using that would be technically incorrect?
"The King of the Belgians" is his official title, but the Belgian linguistic convention is indeed to use "King Filip of Belgium" when a speaker refers the king by his given name. I am not sure of the reasons, but perhaps it is because the King of the Belgians is additionally a Prince of Belgium.
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Old 05-23-2020, 09:11 PM
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The website likely sourced its information from the website of the Belgian government, which indeed used to state the above. However, the government's information was incorrect (and has been removed). The more comprehensive sources which I have consulted (including this one) state that King Albert I renounced the usage of German titles (not family names) in April 1921 (not 1920).

This topic has been discussed extensively (and additional sources are posted) in the "Titles of the Belgian Royal Family" thread.

"The King of the Belgians" is his official title, but the Belgian linguistic convention is indeed to use "King Filip of Belgium" when a speaker refers the king by his given name. I am not sure of the reasons, but perhaps it is because the King of the Belgians is additionally a Prince of Belgium.
My apologies for using 'of Belgium' instead of 'of the Belgians' which somehow threw this discussion of rail.

If you indeed find lots of 'King Filip of Belgium' references, that would contradict the previous statement that the French version is always/typically used by the family (and as a result the media); as Filip is clearly the Dutch and not French version (which is Philippe) of his name. My impression was that Philippe is far more prevalent outside of Belgium and the Netherlands but glad to know that I was wrong and that the situation is not as dire as you feared - as we found at least one exception.
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If you indeed find lots of 'King Filip of Belgium' references, that would contradict the previous statement that the French version is always/typically used by the family (and as a result the media); as Filip is clearly the Dutch and not French version (which is Philippe) of his name. My impression was that Philippe is far more prevalent outside of Belgium and the Netherlands but glad to know that I was wrong and that the situation is not as dire as you feared - as we found at least one exception.
Leidi's question, which was quoted above my answer, was regarding whether "of the Belgians" or "of Belgium" was correct (not Dutch versus French). My answer was that the convention in Belgium was to use "King Filip of Belgium" (Koning Filip van België/Le Roi Philippe de Belgique) as opposed to "King Filip of the Belgians" when using the king's given name. In my answer I used the Dutch form of his given name as it happened to be the one in your post quoted by Leidi.

Indeed, it is the French version of given names (Philippe) that is typically used by the English-language media (except of course for those based in Flanders or other Dutch-speaking regions).

ETA: I believe I incorrectly interpreted what you had written, as I read it together with leidi's question. As I understand it now, you were continuing the discussion about the choice of language, whereas I believed you were questioning whether the king regularly uses "of Belgium" at all. I apologize.
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The last days rumors appeared on social media that the duchess of Brabant had received a scholarship during her stay at the United World College in Wales. A list with names of students was shared who supposedly received a scholarship, the name of the princess was on this list.

Royalty reported Wim Dehandschutter has contacted the palace and the palace denied that the princess has received a scholarship. They also made it clear that -contrary to rumors on social media- the princess will also not receive money while studying at the military academy, unlike the other recruits.
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