P. Elisabeth, P. Gabriël, P. Emmanuel and P. Eléonore - News and Pictures Part 3

[HereditaryPrincess]

One thing that I do wonder about is why (some) people here say that Jeep the Westie is Elisabeth's dog.
As far as I know it's the dog of all four children.

I honestly don’t think that there’s any deep meaning to this; it’s just a trivial error that some, including myself, made. Some children do have their own pets for whatever reason (and of course the whole family gets to enjoy them though their human parent is the particular child or family member), so I can’t speak for others but I’m not an extensive follower of the RF so this is one of the first times I’ve seen a photo of Jeep; so I just presumed that since some people here said he/she was Elisabeth’s dog (and also since Jeep is photographed with Elisabeth in the solo photo).
But this is a trivial issue and I highly doubt anyone is saying that Jeep is her own dog to exclude any of the other children or for a deeper meaning like that. I think it’s simply a misunderstanding.

 

[Skippy]

I understand, but on the Belgian monarchy website in the children's section it says that the children also have small a dog. It is in Emmanuel's profile.

I also have seen Eléonore photographed with Jeep. And he's on quite a few family pictures.


No harm done, I just thought I would ask for clarification.

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

Good luck to big sister!! Princess Elisabeth leaving for her new school! Sooo lovely!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlqvyN6X0AEy98K.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlqvyN7XcAA64pg.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnA1ixCFmUE/?taken-by=belgianroyalpalace

The King and Queen of Belgium are doing a wonderful job on raising their children. The four siblings are so close!


I hope CP Elisabeth has a great time in Wales. What an experience to have at her age - I only wish I was given such an opportunity!

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I understand, but on the Belgian monarchy website in the children's section it says that the children also have small a dog. It is in Emmanuel's profile.

I also have seen Eléonore photographed with Jeep. And he's on quite a few family pictures.


No harm done, I just thought I would ask for clarification.

He is an adorable little doggie and seems to sense that Elisabeth is leaving home...he seems sad!

 

[Countessmeout]

For those commenting that the article didn't mention English (even though obviously she does) the article does in fact mention English. It says beyond Dutch she speaks French and English and is learning German.


Lovely photos. You can see how close she is with her siblings. They will miss their big sister

I am sure she is excited to start and maybe a few nerves. It will be a great experience for her.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Yes indeed the article does mention that she speaks English....I goofed because I didn't really read the story carefully enough...I tend to not do more than quickly SKIM Daily Fail articles.

 

[leidi]

Jeep (the family dog) seemed sad, he probably knew one of the family was leaving. AWWW.

Beautiful pictures, you can see the strong bond between siblings there and the great job P&M have done as parents.

 

[Lady Nimue]

The article mentions that the princess speaks Dutch, French, and German.

But does she not speak English at all?

Article says:

According to Princess Elisabeth's official biography, the multi-lingual royal also speaks French and English and is studying German.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I think it's a least part of the reason that the privacy of the BRF is so respected. They are very generous in providing regular photos and updates about the family holidays, birthdays etc. and especially their charming and immaculately behaved children.

Unfortunately, the Court is less open for the other members of the royal family. It has released no information about some events of Princess Astrid and Prince Laurent and their spouses, and the minor royals (Léa, Maria Laura, etc.) receive no mention even when they are present at the same event as a senior royal.

BTW do we know what name she will use in college? Is she going to use her title or something like Marchesina suggested? (I don't know does the BRF have any “surname”)

On previous occasions when princesses and princes of Belgium worked or attended school in English-speaking countries, they translated their territorial name, "of Belgium", into French. If Elisabeth follows the precedent, she will be "Elisabeth de Belgique".

As far as names are concerned, I suppose she will go by Elisabeth van België, or de Belgique, as in her former school in Belgium. Her legal name in Belgium is, however, HRH The Princess Élisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, Duchess of Brabant, Princess of Belgium.

PS: The Belgian RF’s patrilineal surname would be Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, but they dropped it after World War I.

Not exactly. There is no doubt that the royals have a legal surname, that being demanded by the Belgian Civil Code. However, the issue of what the legal surname(s) (and titles) of the born royals may be is complex and gives rise to divisions even between specialists in Belgian law. Different understandings were argued by King Baudouin, King Albert II, and King Philippe respectively.

King Philippe, according to the clarifications of the 2015 decree communicated by the royal court to the media, thinks that his daughter's legal surname is "of Saxe-Coburg" and her legal name is "HRH Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, Duchess of Brabant, Princess of Belgium, Duchess of Saxony, Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha".

LOI - WET
Le Roi limite l’octroi du titre de "prince de Belgique" - La Libre
Quel nom pour les princes qui ne seront plus «de Belgique»? - Le Soir
https://www.docme.ru/doc/1728984/le-soir-104-2017 (page 7)

 

[Hannelore]

For the fans of Jeep, here's more: Queen Mathilde: Jeep

The westie was first seen with the royal family in the documentary on king Philippe's first 500 days as king. Mathilde then told a journalist that the dog belonged to someone else, but was staying with them. She also said he never listened.

Apparently they were allowed to keep him.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I understand, but on the Belgian monarchy website in the children's section it says that the children also have small a dog. It is in Emmanuel's profile.

I also have seen Eléonore photographed with Jeep. And he's on quite a few family pictures.


No harm done, I just thought I would ask for clarification.

I can't speak for others but I personally tend to read most of my royal news here on TRF or blogging sites like Noblesse et Royautes etc, so I don't really visit official websites that much. I probably missed the photos of Jeep or they went from my memory.
Not a big issue ?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I first noticed him(Jeep) in Elisabeth's birthday photos last year because he is just so adorable. My memory is foggy but I thought the children had another dog called "Kinga"...but maybe Kinga has gone to Doggie Heaven by now.

That's funny what Queen Mathilde said about Jeep not listening to anyone.

 

[Hannelore]

Wasn't Kinga a labrador they had around 2000?

I remember that the first labrador they had (was this Kinga?) died tragically. There was a christmas party at court and someone had tied his leash to a door handle. The dog hung himself this way. Really terrible

 

[Mbruno]

Unfortunately, the Court is less open for the other members of the royal family. It has released no information about some events of Princess Astrid and Prince Laurent and their spouses, and the minor royals (Léa, Maria Laura, etc.) receive no mention even when they are present at the same event as a senior royal.



On previous occasions when princesses and princes of Belgium worked or attended school in English-speaking countries, they translated their territorial name, "of Belgium", into French. If Elisabeth follows the precedent, she will be "Elisabeth de Belgique".



Not exactly. There is no doubt that the royals have a legal surname, that being demanded by the Belgian Civil Code. However, the issue of what the legal surname(s) (and titles) of the born royals may be is complex and gives rise to divisions even between specialists in Belgian law. Different understandings were argued by King Baudouin, King Albert II, and King Philippe respectively.

King Philippe, according to the clarifications of the 2015 decree communicated by the royal court to the media, thinks that his daughter's legal surname is "of Saxe-Coburg" and her legal name is "HRH Princess Elisabeth Thérèse Marie Hélène, Duchess of Brabant, Princess of Belgium, Duchess of Saxony, Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha".

LOI - WET
Le Roi limite l’octroi du titre de "prince de Belgique" - La Libre
Quel nom pour les princes qui ne seront plus «de Belgique»? - Le Soir
https://www.docme.ru/doc/1728984/le-soir-104-2017 (page 7)

The references in the 2015 decree to a “ surname” as long as it is used , and other titles that one may bear by his/her ancestry were already, if I am not mistaken, in the 1991 royal decree. Nevertheless, Philippe, when he was still Duke of Brabant, was never referred in any official document as Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, or Duke of Saxony. I don’t have any reason to believe Elisabeth will use those titles either. I am assuming she will be referred to by the same titles and styles that his father had as a prince and also that she won’t use a surname as his father did not.

As for the last name she will use in Wales, again I think van België would sound more “ natural” in English than the French version “ de Belgique”. Since she used the Dutch version in her previous Dutch-soeaking school, she may stick with it in the UK.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The references in the 2015 decree to a “ surname” as long as it is used , and other titles that one may bear by his/her ancestry were already, if I am not mistaken, in the 1991 royal decree.

No, the 2015 decree enacted changes to the rules of using "other titles" following the title Princess or Prince of Belgium.

1991 decree

[...] seront qualifiés Princes ou Princesses de Belgique, à la suite de leurs prénoms.

Translation
[...] will be referred to as Princes or Princesses of Belgium, following their first names.


2015 decree

[...] portent le titre de Prince ou de Princesse de Belgique à la suite de leur prénom et, pour autant qu'ils les portent, de leur nom de famille et de leur titre dynastique et avant les autres titres qui leur reviennent de droit par leur ascendance. [...]

Translation
[...] carry the title of Prince or of Princess of Belgium following their first name and, so far as they carry them, their family name and their dynastic title and ahead of the other titles to which their ancestry gives them the right. [...]

Nevertheless, Philippe, when he was still Duke of Brabant, was never referred in any official document as Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, or Duke of Saxony.

The change was enacted by the 2015 decree. Again, I strongly recommend reading the links in post 373.

As stated in the last one, it was the Court that styled the male-line descendants of King Leopold I as Princesses and Princes of Belgium, Duchesses and Dukes of Saxony, Princesses and Princes of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in their communication to the 2017 edition of the publication Le Carnet Mondain.

Surprise, en effet, en découvrant « Le carnet mondain » dans sa version 2017. Tous les membres de la famille royale issus de la descendance de Léopold Ier (donc pas les épouses de rois, Mathilde et Paola, ou les conjoints de princes, Lorenz et Claire), à l’exception des enfants/petit-enfant d’Astrid et Lorenz, portent désormais aussi les titres de « Duc de Saxe, Prince de Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha » ou « Duchesse de Saxe, princesse de Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha ».

[...]

[...] comme le précise le volumineux ouvrage mondain, que « les informations concernant la famille royale de belgique sont reproduites tellse qu'elles nous sont communiquées par le Palais »."

[...]

Qu’en dit le Palais royal, justement ? [...] « L’arrêté royal de 2015 a confirmé que les membres de la famille royale portent les titres auxquels ils ont droit de part leur ascendance. C’est le cas », se borne-t-il à répondre.

Translation

Surprising indeed on finding "Le carnet mondain" in its 2017 edition. All of the members of the royal family born in descent from Leopold I (thus not the wives of the kings, Mathilde and Paola, or the spouses of the princes, Lorenz and Claire), with the exception of the children/grandchild of Astrid and Lorenz, henceforth carry as well the titles of "Duke of Saxony, Prince of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" or "Duchess of Saxony, Princess of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha".

[...]

[...] the bulky work specifies that "the information concerning the royal family of Belgium is reproduced from that which was communicated to us by the Palace"."

[...]

What does the Royal Palace have to say for it? [...] "The Royal Decree of 2015 confirmed that the members of the royal family bear the titles to which their ancestry gives them the right. This is the case," is its limited response.

I don’t have any reason to believe Elisabeth will use those titles either. I am assuming she will be referred to by the same titles and styles that his father had as a prince and also that she won’t use a surname as his father did not.

Agreed, but weren't you referring (in the comment to which I responded) to her legal name in contrast to the name she would actually use?

As for the last name she will use in Wales, again I think van België would sound more “ natural” in English than the French version “ de Belgique”. Since she used the Dutch version in her previous Dutch-soeaking school, she may stick with it in the UK.

Yes, that would be sensible. On the other hand, Princess Astrid's children used "de Belgique" in English in spite of attending the same school.

 

[TLLK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlqvyN6X0AEy98K.jpg


A lovely photo of Elizabeth surrounded by her siblings. Good luck to her as she starts her first year at Atlantic College.

 

[eya]

First Day of School for the Belgian Royal Children today!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnQgZAmB-kX/?taken-by=belgianroyalpalace

https://www.belgaimage.be/#/gallery/6284522

https://www.rexfeatures.com/livefeed/2018/09/03/belgian_royal_children_return_to_school,_brussels?


Video

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=250816405578256

Article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...een-Mathilde-drops-children-school-gates.html

 

[Iolanthe]

Thank you, eya!

When I see these pictures, I always wonder if only the royals bring their children to school on the first day of the schoolyear (and are welcomed by the teachers) or if all Belgian parents (and schools) do that? I normally wouldn't expect children at this age to be accompanied by their parents when it's not a new school.
Maybe Belgian board members can help/explain?

 

[Marchesina]

Thank you, eya!

When I see this pictures, I always wonder if only the royals bring their children to school on the first day of the schoolyear (and are welcomed by the teachers) or if all Belgian parents (and schools) do that? I normally wouldn't expect children at this age to be accompanied by their parents when it's not a new school.
Maybe Belgian board members can help/explain?

I am not Belgian, but I think it is a "royal" thing to accompany kids at school on their first day back to school. Notice also that Mathilde didn't accompany Gabriel, but only Eleonore.

I was thinking that this year will probably be less difficult for Emmanuel to go back to school, as all his siblings are going to different schools. But I wonder how long will he stay in Eureka School, when the school website promises to re-integrate kids in two years in their original school, instead he is spending there all the school years before secondary school. I don't know how these things work in Belgium, but it should be mandatory for schools in EU (policies call for an inclusive education) to support children with learning disorders without sending them away to other institutions.

 

[iceflower]

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The dailymail also compiled an article about Elisabeth's new school today:


** dailymail: What Belgium's 16-year-old future queen can REALLY expect from her Welsh boarding school dubbed 'hippie Hogwarts' ..**

 

[Alisa]

I am not Belgian, but I think it is a "royal" thing to accompany kids at school on their first day back to school. Notice also that Mathilde didn't accompany Gabriel, but only Eleonore.

I was thinking that this year will probably be less difficult for Emmanuel to go back to school, as all his siblings are going to different schools. But I wonder how long will he stay in Eureka School, when the school website promises to re-integrate kids in two years in their original school, instead he is spending there all the school years before secondary school. I don't know how these things work in Belgium, but it should be mandatory for schools in EU (policies call for an inclusive education) to support children with learning disorders without sending them away to other institutions.

I would think reintegration would be based upon the student's performance. So if Emmanuel needs to he can stay as long as needs be he can until age 14.

 

[wartenberg7]

Thank you, eya!

When I see these pictures, I always wonder if only the royals bring their children to school on the first day of the schoolyear (and are welcomed by the teachers) or if all Belgian parents (and schools) do that? I normally wouldn't expect children at this age to be accompanied by their parents when it's not a new school.
Maybe Belgian board members can help/explain?

Yes, thought the same way, too. if i were Gabriel, being 15 is an age where many boys have their 1st or even 2nd girl friends, i´d be highly emberassed if mummy would still bring me to school...?

 

[An Ard Ri]

Hard to believe its that time of the year again ,just love that photo of the 4 siblings and the family dog.

 

[principessa]

Yes, thought the same way, too. if i were Gabriel, being 15 is an age where many boys have their 1st or even 2nd girl friends, i´d be highly emberassed if mummy would still bring me to school...?

Maybe Gabriel wanted to say goodbye to his sister and Eleonorés school is on his way to school?

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Lovely photos of the Belgian children starting school. I've always thought that Philippe and Mathilde's family were very sweet; and little Eleonore is almost like a clone of Elisabeth at that age!
Is Emmanuel already at a secondary level education? I'm not familiar with the Eureka school's way of working classes so I don't know if he'll transfer to another school for his secondary education or if he can stay on at Eureka.

 

[Somebody]

Lovely photos of the Belgian children starting school. I've always thought that Philippe and Mathilde's family were very sweet; and little Eleonore is almost like a clone of Elisabeth at that age!
Is Emmanuel already at a secondary level education? I'm not familiar with the Eureka school's way of working classes so I don't know if he'll transfer to another school for his secondary education or if he can stay on at Eureka.

The idea of Eureka is that they attend for 2 years and afterwards can go back to their previous school. That's clearly not the case for Emmanuel (this year is his 7th!). However, the school offers both primary (from 2nd class onwards) and secondary education (first 2 grades), so I assume he is attending either first or second grade (7th or 8th grade in the American system) of secondary. Normally he would be starting 2nd grade as he is turning 13 next month but they might have decided to hold him back at some point which could mean that he is in 1st. We'll find out next year whether he switches or stays for one more year.

 

[Somebody]

Yes, thought the same way, too. if i were Gabriel, being 15 is an age where many boys have their 1st or even 2nd girl friends, i´d be highly emberassed if mummy would still bring me to school...?

I guess he is (normally) dropped off by the driver (normally with a parent I believe Philip explained in the past) that also drives Eleonore to school, so he walks past her entrance to get to his own entrance and because ot's the first dsy of school he is so kind to greet the head master.

 

[leidi]

For the fans of Jeep, here's more: Queen Mathilde: Jeep

The westie was first seen with the royal family in the documentary on king Philippe's first 500 days as king. Mathilde then told a journalist that the dog belonged to someone else, but was staying with them. She also said he never listened.

Apparently they were allowed to keep him.

LMAO I do think the children (specially Elisabeth) fell in love with the dog and he with them so he was allowed to stay, maybe he came from a shelter or something and was "loaned" for the documentary but never left

 

[iceflower]

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Here's a belated, but nice addition for last Monday's back-to-school photos:


** pp: Philippe et Mathilde de Belgique : La rentrée séparée de leurs enfants **

 

[princeofitaly]

Here the back to school:

https://www.iodonna.it/personaggi/i...dei-figli-delle-star-dallasilo-alluniversita/