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Old 06-03-2007, 02:11 PM
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The royal doctors back then weren't very forthcoming, but it appears that he did have lung cancer, as well as some arterial problems.
I am currently reading Hugo Vickers' biography about the Queen Mother;in it he says that George V was first diagnosed as having lung cancer in May, by his radiologist, Dr. George Cordimer. But it took several months,until September,for the King's other doctors to confirm the diagnosis.Both the lungs were affected.
George V also was suffering from circulatory problems,arteriosclerosis, a vascular disease.He had been complaining about numbness in his right foot,and there had been worries that an amputation would have to have taken place.But the cancer diagnosis changed things;he lost one lung. He had appeared to be doing well at the time of his death;he died in his sleep after a day of shooting.


I think that Charles will do a good job as king;he is going to make a few changes and pave the way for his son,William.Many Royal historians have said in the past that Charles' reign would probably be a short one because his mother was expected to be long-lived.They appear to be right! They also predicted that Charles will start the modernization process and that William would continue it...
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Charles isn't likely to reign for more than 20 years, if he's lucky. At the end of the day, William is more important to the future of the monarchy.
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:04 PM
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How can someone in their twenties who knows nothing of Royal life, diplomacy or statesmanship possibly be more important than a man nearly in his sixties who is an expert in all those fields?
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:22 PM
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Because he won't always be in his twenties and he's likely to be king for a lot longer than Charles. He won't be more important in the near term, but over the long term, assuming he and his father both have reasonably normal lifespans, he's bound to have more influence.
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Well I accept that but for the short term, surely Charles is more important and let's face it, it's during his reign that we could well face talk of republic.
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:24 PM
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My point was, that this was an immovable sticking point with the Church of England re: the coronation of the last PoW leading to Edward VII becoming Duke of Windsor ie,the marriage to a divorcee. The fact that the Sovereign is also the Head of the Church, etc. Although I bevieve that (correct me if i'm wrong) if the DoC's previous husband is deceased, she would be in the same position as the PoW is presently...considered a widow by the church. Start the conspiracy engines now!
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:26 PM
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But the Church of England doesn't have the same power it had back then. One step out of line and wap - the Archbishop of Canterbury will find himself down the job centre.
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:35 PM
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My point was, that this was an immovable sticking point with the Church of England re: the coronation of the last PoW leading to Edward VII becoming Duke of Windsor ie,the marriage to a divorcee. The fact that the Sovereign is also the Head of the Church, etc. Although I bevieve that (correct me if i'm wrong) if the DoC's previous husband is deceased, she would be in the same position as the PoW is presently...considered a widow by the church. Start the conspiracy engines now!
The church has changed its opinion somewhat about the remarriage of divorcees since the 1930s. I don't think this is going to be nearly the sticking point that it was back then. After allowing a Church of England service of prayer and dedication after Charles's second wedding, the Archbishop would be on rather shaky grounds if he wanted to raise objections to a coronation on the grounds of Charle's marital state. I have a feeling that might just lead to disestablishment of the church to avoid the need for a religious coronation rather than to Charles abdicating, so the Church has quite a bit to lose if it decides to dig in over this.
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While Edward VII became King automatically, he was never crowned because of the aforementioned 'issue'. Perhaps it's just my perception of the Church of England being 'high church'-y. Dont they refuse to ordain gays, dont recognise divorce etc.? If they were to be sticky, is there any mechanism possible to have a non religious Coronation? I'm not sure how you would do it.
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For the moment, with the CofE being the Established Church, I don't think there's a mechanism to have a coronation ceremony that isn't religious. There would be no authority figure with precedence over the monarch, so the king would have to crown himself or there'd have to be a nonreligious enthronement of some sort.
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Dont they refuse to ordain gays, dont recognise divorce etc.?
They ordain gay, bisexual and transgender clergy and recognise divorce. All with the Queen's blessing.
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I personally am not a religious person, so I dont really understand why so many people feel so strongly what Archbishop whosiwhatsit thinks. It's also hard, as an American, where (theoretically) we have separation of Church and State to understand why this issue would be important to them, but there you go. I guess this is as good a reason as any that the founders of our constitution were clear on the subject. Haha. In the many times I have been to England, I never got the feeling that it was religiously 'diverse' (please dont shout!). Perhaps I was not paying attention, as I said it's not that impotant to me.
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They ordain gay, bisexual and transgender clergy and recognise divorce. All with the Queen's blessing.
Really! That's great! In this country, the Anglican and Episcopalian Church (roughly the same yes?) are deeply divided on this subject, with the conservatives sounding slightly out of the stone age. All religions have thier own craziness. My family is catholic and I have had many 'spirited discusssions' about the church not ordaining gays, women, married men etc I can tell you!
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They ordain gay, bisexual and transgender clergy and recognise divorce. All with the Queen's blessing.
What a forward way for Her Majesty to be! Has Charles expressed an opinion on this front? Maybe some relief that the Queen did bless the issue so that he wouldn't have to when his time comes as king.
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Old 06-03-2007, 09:37 PM
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The Church of England itself is somewhat divided also; however, I think the deepest divisions are between the more liberal western branches of the Episcopal church and the more conservative African ones.

However, the position of the Church of England on divorce, which is the issue where Prince Charles is concerned, has softened somewhat from the earlier position where remarriage of divorcees was prohibited altogether; now some divorcees can remarry in church, but it's somewhat left up to the conscience of the individual clergy. However, it's still deeply frowned on for a second marriage to take place with the person who was considered a factor in the breakup of the first marriage, so Charles and Camilla weren't eligible for a church wedding even under the more relaxed regime. Whether things will lighten up some more by the time Charles becomes King is anybody's guess.
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But wasn't the Princess of Wales entitled to a church wedding why not Charles ?
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It's the part about the concience of the individual clergy that I'm referring. It's a long way to go in your prom dress if your date is going to stand you up! Seriously, His mother, more than likely will be here for many years. Who knows what may come to pass?
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But wasn't the Princess of Wales entitled to a church wedding why not Charles ?
I dont think the Princess of Wales would have had/been interested in another C of E big wedding; especially if marrying someone not a christian . Interestingly, I think her wedding to whomever (but especially a muslim) would have been very similar to Charles and Camilla's civil service.
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Really! That's great! In this country, the Anglican and Episcopalian Church (roughly the same yes?) are deeply divided on this subject, with the conservatives sounding slightly out of the stone age.
We have at least 2 gay Bishops and several transgenger vicars, one of whom has just been put forward to the Queen on the recommendation that she be made a Bishop (the vicar not the Queen). The Church of England doesn't offer marriage services for divorcees or same-sex couples but they do offer wedding blessings. The Church now offers weddings for transsexuals on the individual agreement of the local clergy member who would host the wedding, however, the candidate for marriage has to be marrying someone of the opposite sex and not be a divorcee.

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What a forward way for Her Majesty to be! Has Charles expressed an opinion on this front?
No. Nor has the Queen, it's all been done in Her name by Her Bishops.

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But wasn't the Princess of Wales entitled to a church wedding why not Charles ?
She was entitled to a church wedding however had she wanted to marry again she would have had to have a civil wedding with a blessing just as Charles had second time round because she, like him, was a divorcee.
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