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Old 05-23-2007, 04:00 AM
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Yet there is the precedent of Edward VII who was known as Prince Albert Edward throughout his time as Prince of Wales. He chose to be known as King Edward, which surprised many people at the time.
I wonder if he was trying to differentiate himself from his father, although since his father had been dead for so long, that shouldn't have been necessary.

I remember having to explain to one of my American friends about why Edward VII and George VI were both known as Bertie before they became King - she seemed to think it was a term of endearment for the eldest son or something (and yes, I know one of them wasn't an eldest son, but she didn't!).
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Old 05-23-2007, 05:25 AM
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I wonder if he was trying to differentiate himself from his father, although since his father had been dead for so long, that shouldn't have been necessary.
I believe there may be something in that - the reported reason that I have seen when researching his life is that he wanted to have his father's name stand alone. That was the official reason but I suspect there might also have been an element of also showing that he was finally out from his mother's shadow as she had said that she wanted him to reign as Albert Edward.

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I remember having to explain to one of my American friends about why Edward VII and George VI were both known as Bertie before they became King - she seemed to think it was a term of endearment for the eldest son or something (and yes, I know one of them wasn't an eldest son, but she didn't!).
I have had some similar discussion with people as well. In fact, in the last 6 British monarchs 3 have chosen a different name to their first birth name and another used his first birth name but that wasn't the name by which he was called in the family (Edward VIII was called David remember). Only George V and Elizabeth II have used their first given names since 1837 and also the name by which they were known within the family even if the family used a diminutive form (Georgie and Lillibet respectively).
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:20 AM
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I wonder if he was trying to differentiate himself from his father, although since his father had been dead for so long, that shouldn't have been necessary.

I remember having to explain to one of my American friends about why Edward VII and George VI were both known as Bertie before they became King - she seemed to think it was a term of endearment for the eldest son or something (and yes, I know one of them wasn't an eldest son, but she didn't!).
From what I have read, it is said that Bertie was unwilling to stay in either of his parent's shadow any more after Queen Victoria's death, so he chose Edward VII instead of Albert I. Queen Victoria wanted that but certainly Bertie did not choose to do so. Sorry I forgot my source for this information.
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Surely Charles will reign if QE dies before him - that's the way it is supposed to be. But as he does not have the acceptance and the respect that his mother earned during her long reign, things will be difficult for him. Plus, some strange ideas he's already expressing now such as the green issue, title for Camilla or the details of his coronation do not help. I think he will have to work very hard to become accepted, especially within the younger generation, and not only within the UK but the whole Commonwealth. Some critisism or desire for a change may not be mentioned as long as QEII is there due to her long time period as monarch. As soon as Charles will be king, he will have to deal with a lot of issues that have not been brought up but people are waiting to put them on the agenda. In the meantime I would suggest he should help to improve the public image of the royal family in Britain - especially the one of the younger generation of the royal family. I would make sure they get involved into charities and regular events much more than now because one could get the impression that all they do is stumbling out of night clubs at 3am in the morning, in case of William and Harry. They should get a reality bite and follow the good example of their grandparents!
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:37 PM
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When Charles becomes king, what will be Camilla's title?
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Her Majesty Queen Camilla. Anything else would require an Act of Parliament, which isn't likely to happen.
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:56 PM
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Hi sashajones,

You might want to have a look at this thread, where the question of Camilla's title is discussed.

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...-2-a-3994.html
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Old 06-02-2007, 06:16 PM
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Surely Charles will reign if QE dies before him - that's the way it is supposed to be. But as he does not have the acceptance and the respect that his mother earned during her long reign, things will be difficult for him. Plus, some strange ideas he's already expressing now such as the green issue, title for Camilla or the details of his coronation do not help. I think he will have to work very hard to become accepted, especially within the younger generation, and not only within the UK but the whole Commonwealth. Some critisism or desire for a change may not be mentioned as long as QEII is there due to her long time period as monarch. As soon as Charles will be king, he will have to deal with a lot of issues that have not been brought up but people are waiting to put them on the agenda. In the meantime I would suggest he should help to improve the public image of the royal family in Britain - especially the one of the younger generation of the royal family. I would make sure they get involved into charities and regular events much more than now because one could get the impression that all they do is stumbling out of night clubs at 3am in the morning, in case of William and Harry. They should get a reality bite and follow the good example of their grandparents!
He may not have the respect of the people as the Queen but how could he? That's an impossible task at the moment and it may be even when/if he's King since he will not reign for over 50 years. He has to deal with issues not brought up in the present? Why wait to another is the face of the monarchy to bring up the issues? I don't get that.
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:14 AM
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Deep down, my response to "Will Charles ever reign?" is 'I hope not.". Charles' granmother lived to be over 100 years old. The Queen is already in her 80s. Women generally outlive men. I would guess that QEII didn't do as much smoking & drinking as her mother did, meaning she'd be in better health. I can't see QEII abdicating or retiring. I can see QEII still reigning at 100 yrs old, at which point Charles would be in his 70's(?). Maybe he'd be too old to want to be King at that point and so he'd abdicate in favor of William.
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:49 AM
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Deep down, my response to "Will Charles ever reign?" is 'I hope not.".
Why is that your response?
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:50 AM
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He may not have the respect of the people as the Queen but how could he? That's an impossible task at the moment and it may be even when/if he's King since he will not reign for over 50 years. He has to deal with issues not brought up in the present? Why wait to another is the face of the monarchy to bring up the issues? I don't get that.
I agree on the first part, of course he won't have the opportunity to prove himself until he's the monarch. So we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll bring along the right assets for a good king.

What I wanted to say in terms of issues coming up is that I think especially within the commonwealth there might be a desire for reform / doing things differently with a new king. These issues would never be brought up now as QE II is there over 50 years, out of respect for this long period of time. Most people just know QE II as monarch and not her father anymore. When Charles is king, he's much more vulnerable because he lacks this kind of respect (not his fault though). Plus, it seems that he is less diplomatic when he gives statements about various issues - something his mother would never do - and he already gets a lot of stick for that in the media. He seems to act a bit awkwardly eg why mentioning his plans for his coronation and of course he's making the press go wild although the issue could be on the agenda only in 20 years' time
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...Plus, it seems that he is less diplomatic when he gives statements about various issues - something his mother would never do ...
The thing we all tend to forget when commenting on Charles airing his views compared to HM's silence, is that she was only 26 when she became Queen. We knew very little about Charles' views at that age. Had HM had to wait until she was over 50, perhaps she would have spoken out on some issues.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:06 AM
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If Charles were right, it would be a better idea for him to communicate with the right level of people IMHO.The three rights of a monach:to be consulted,to encourage, and to warn. Charles is perfectly practising. Queen keeps slience on so many issues which makes her a perfect constitutional monarch.But I doult that there is only one model of perfect constitutional monarches and Charles should have quicker reactions in a more changable world. He is very sensitve about changes but he is unwilling to make changes. Think about the week of Diana's death. I think a stronger monarch with more influence is necessary to prevent from being invaded by the governemnt power like PM Blair.or the monarchy may be abolished by some republican politicans.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:12 AM
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The thing we all tend to forget when commenting on Charles airing his views compared to HM's silence, is that she was only 26 when she became Queen. We knew very little about Charles' views at that age. Had HM had to wait until she was over 50, perhaps she would have spoken out on some issues.
Yes, you are right. But it seems he doesn't keep in mind that he will need the favour of the press to a certain degree. I know the british press is one of worst around but I feel that he or whoever is advising him could do better in dealing with the media. These days it's a complete desaster - not only his matters but the matters of his sons too. I liked William a lot but all we see of him now is drinking all night in pubs. As Clarence House is involved here I think it's another example that the handling of media issues needs some improvement, not only for William's sake but for Charles's sake too.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:28 AM
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I admit I've not read this whole thread, I've skimmed here and there but I would like to have my say anyway.

Personally I think Charles will make an excellent monarch and I hope that he gets the chance to show what he has to offer.

I don't really like the idea that the King has to be press acceptable (that's not an attack on who ever mentioned that subject) - I think his role is above that. That is my opinion. I understand where other people are coming from but I feel that the press has been given far too much leeway when it comes to the British Royal Family.

I find him a charming man and his thoughts about the world and the future admirable. I think we need more leaders who think long term like him.

Again, I'd like to see what he can do.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:36 AM
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Yes, you are right. But it seems he doesn't keep in mind that he will need the favour of the press to a certain degree. I know the british press is one of worst around but I feel that he or whoever is advising him could do better in dealing with the media. These days it's a complete desaster - not only his matters but the matters of his sons too. I liked William a lot but all we see of him now is drinking all night in pubs. As Clarence House is involved here I think it's another example that the handling of media issues needs some improvement, not only for William's sake but for Charles's sake too.
He shouldn't have to take the media into account at all, that is a legacy from his ex. The moment we all expect him or anyone else to live by the media, we might as well all give up.

It is worth bearing in mind the behavior of the majority of media employee's is far from exemplary.
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Why is that your response?
As seen in another thread, Rubyprincess is a Diana-supporter. Thus her response makes sense, at least to her.
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The thing we all tend to forget when commenting on Charles airing his views compared to HM's silence, is that she was only 26 when she became Queen. We knew very little about Charles' views at that age. Had HM had to wait until she was over 50, perhaps she would have spoken out on some issues.
That's a very insightful idea.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:23 AM
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As seen in another thread, Rubyprincess is a Diana-supporter. Thus her response makes sense, at least to her.
Not so much a Diana-supporter but that Charles has shown a lack of good judgement and good moral character. If he is to be held up as an example to his people, he has done a poor job.
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