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Old 11-13-2004, 11:23 PM
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Charles could marry Camilla right now if he really wanted to. I don't think he wants to be married. He likes the convenience of this relationship. He gets to milk the cow for free; and she seems to like that too. To me she's nothing more than a glorified "good time girl". If she deserves any title, it should be either that or "The Royal Mistress".
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Old 11-13-2004, 11:49 PM
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Charles could marry Camilla right now if he really wanted to. I don't think he wants to be married. He likes the convenience of this relationship. He gets to milk the cow for free; and she seems to like that too. To me she's nothing more than a glorified "good time girl". If she deserves any title, it should be either that or "The Royal Mistress".
I think relationships change as you mature. When you are younger it is important to be married and to have a ring on your finger and a piece of paper that says you are Mr and Mrs. But as you get older and espescially if you have been previously married or are widowed having that legal document or a ring on your finger doesn't matter as much. As you get older it is more about the companionship and friendship than trying to prove anything to the world. Lots of public figures enjoy very happy and successful relationships like the one Charles and Camilla are enjoying without feeling like they should be married. Jackie Kennedy had a very long relationship with her companion Maurice Templesman. Just because they are not married does not mean that they are any less committed than married couples. Maybe Charles and Camilla don't want to be married. Maybe Camilla isn't interested in being the next Princess of Wales or Duchess of Cornwall or whatever. Maybe she and Charles are very happy with things as they are.
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Old 11-14-2004, 12:12 AM
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Let us not forget taht Diana is the mother of the heirs to the throne, so it just would not be right to give Camilla the title Princess of Wales. Gosh Charles has made such a mess of things...compromisation of values all around...
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Old 11-14-2004, 03:04 AM
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Let us not forget taht Diana is the mother of the heirs to the throne, so it just would not be right to give Camilla the title Princess of Wales. Gosh Charles has made such a mess of things...compromisation of values all around...
While what has been done is no guide to morality I would point out the example of a previous Duke of Devonshire who lived, during the early 19th Century, in a menage a trois with his wife & mistress! His wife was an ancestor of Diana's, Lady Georgiana Spencer & his mistress Lady Elizabeth Foster. When his wife (the mother of his heir) died he married his mistress who became, as his wife had been, Duchess of Devonshire. At the passing of the Duke his heir treated his stepmother as his father had asked, despite her part in his mothers life.

There is no reason for Camilla to be deprived of the title Princess of Wales apart from public opinion. I think that the Queen, who is mindful of her subjects opinion, would take the public's wishes into account. Bear in mind that this would be the views of her subjects and not those of middle America (no offence intended).
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:19 AM
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how about home wrecker
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:59 AM
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how about home wrecker
Your opinion but not particularly productive!
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Old 11-14-2004, 08:27 AM
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Old 11-14-2004, 01:19 PM
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Charles could marry Camilla right now if he really wanted to. I don't think he wants to be married. He likes the convenience of this relationship. He gets to milk the cow for free; and she seems to like that too. To me she's nothing more than a glorified "good time girl". If she deserves any title, it should be either that or "The Royal Mistress".
I am not easily chocked but think the sentence milk the cow for free terrible. It is not only is unjust for the two of them but it demeans all women.
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Old 11-14-2004, 02:39 PM
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Let us not forget taht Diana is the mother of the heirs to the throne, so it just would not be right to give Camilla the title Princess of Wales.
I don't think that's any barrier to a second wife taking her husband's title. In the case of Diana and Camilla it's mostly emotion demanding that Camilla be given a different title, not legal necessity.

I assume that part of the reason why they aren't marrying is to avoid this whole business of whether she becomes Princess of Wales. That suggests that they might marry once he becomes King. It seems to me that if they're going to marry, we might expect to see it happen after he becomes King and before he's crowned. For him to wait till after his coronation and then marry Camilla would be dishonest, since the coronation ceremony is a religious one - it was something that even Edward VIII refused to do.
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Old 11-14-2004, 03:45 PM
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many people wont wanted given Camilla as Princess of Wales nor become Queen of England because many people in England would remind of famous Princess Diana of Wales lots but HM Queen cant given Camilla married to Prince Charles for more reasons! since Princess Diana's death in 1997.

please no comments about Camilla and Princess Diana!

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Old 11-14-2004, 03:51 PM
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Camilla and Diana, Princess of Wales are two different people. I was a big fan of Diana. However, Camilla is the present and an important person in the Prince of Wales life. We are not to judge what happened because no one really knows except those involved. However, I do have a question. If the Prince of Wales does remarry and he is still heir to the throne wouldn't his new wife be automatically called the Princess of Wales. Her title is not granted through her own right but through marriage. I do believe that out of respect for Prince William and Prince Harry, that she should not be called Princess of Wales if that could be avoided.
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Old 11-14-2004, 06:56 PM
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She would automatically be entitled to be known as Princess of Wales. My suggestion at the start of the thread was that, in a similar fashion to Lady Louise's title, the Queen issue a statement &/or Letters Patent that while Camilla shares ALL of Charles titles & rank she would be known as Duchess of Cornwall or one of Charles other titles in recognition of Diana's life & work.
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Old 11-14-2004, 09:06 PM
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For me, I think that the Queen will outlast Prince Charles so this is a moot point.

However, I really don't like Camilla. Anyone who is willing to ruin a marriage and a family of another doesn't deserve my respect. She (and admittingly, him too, though it does take two to tango) had broken the sanctity of a marriage on both ends, hers and Charles'. Therefore, emotionally, I think the only title she should have is 'Royal Mistress'.

However...LEGALLY, there's nothing that can be done that would prevent her from not taking the title 'Princess of Wales' though I would thourougly abhore it. My only consolation is that I don't have to be in the same family as she is.
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I can't respect a person who would be a homewrecker either-man or woman. It is so evil.
And why not America instead of just middle America (better known as the Midwest)
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Old 11-14-2004, 10:26 PM
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I can't respect a person who would be a homewrecker either-man or woman. It is so evil.
And why not America instead of just middle America (better known as the Midwest)
There has to be a home to wreck! A marriage where there is no love left and no respect ceases to be a home IMO.

The reference to "middle america" was to illustrate the high moral ground taken by people from the colloquially named Bible Belt who seem to have to sit in judgement on everyone else.

I don't want to cause offence but it seems to me that if anyone in the world has an opinion that should be taken into account it should only be those of us who are HM's subjects or who are citizens of Commonwealth countries. IMO it is no business of anyone else in the world.
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Old 11-14-2004, 10:46 PM
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There has to be a home to wreck! A marriage where there is no love left and no respect ceases to be a home IMO.

The reference to "middle america" was to illustrate the high moral ground taken by people from the colloquially named Bible Belt who seem to have to sit in judgement on everyone else.

I don't want to cause offence but it seems to me that if anyone in the world has an opinion that should be taken into account it should only be those of us who are HM's subjects or who are citizens of Commonwealth countries. IMO it is no business of anyone else in the world.
Because a person says they don't mean offense by somthing doesn't mean it isn't offensive. If people who do not live in Great Britain cannot have an opinion about Great Britain, then people from Great Britain shouldn't have an opinion about "Middle America" or America as a whole. Or is this a double standard?

Just a thought...

I apologize for the digression.Now back to the topic.... I guess it is for Her Majesty to decide. However, since Camilla is divorced the Prince of Wales is not allowed to marry her and remain heir. Am I correct with this? Therefore the case would be moot.
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Old 11-15-2004, 12:35 AM
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The church is relaxing it's policy on remarrying divorcees and the current Archbishop of Canterbury has said that he would be prepared to marry Charles & Camilla. As the policy stands currently however it does exclude marriage to a party who was instrumental in the breakdown of the other parties previous marriage so I guess that means that Charles can't marry Camilla & she can't marry him because each could be seen as being instrumental in the breakup of the others marriage.
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Old 11-15-2004, 12:46 AM
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i have agree with wymanda!

because his grandmother and his mum have rights! because Prince Charles wouldnt allowed getting remarried again to Camilla because under the British Law and many people would knew about many people would feels hurt over Princess Diana's death in 1997 but i knew about it! but i have to tells many times! but Charles and Camilla cant slept together following his mum's rules oh good grief! because Charles is still remarry since Diana's death because of chase from paparazzi but cant won!

I think Prince William wont wanted to get his dad married again and Camilla wont become Princess of Wales because many people wont support and Camilla cant become Queen of England NEITHER! im sure Prince William would knew!

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Old 11-15-2004, 01:57 AM
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I don't want to cause offence but it seems to me that if anyone in the world has an opinion that should be taken into account it should only be those of us who are HM's subjects or who are citizens of Commonwealth countries. IMO it is no business of anyone else in the world.
Realistically, in terms of real life and what actually happens with the Prince and Camilla and her titles should they marry, the opinions of most of us who are HM's subjects aren't relevant either. Unless there's a feeling that public opinion within the UK will be so massively opposed that it poses a danger for the continuation of the monarchy or somehow threatens the stability of the government or the church, I don't see public opinion being that big a deal. THey're not going to hold a referendum and decide what happens on the basis of a majority vote or anything. And it's not as though this was a marriage involving William, who's the real future of the monarchy. Camilla is beyond child-bearing age, and Charles is getting to an age where most people would start thinking about retirement; I think the Establishment will just try to marginalise him as much as possible and focus on William.

In terms of these boards, all posters' opinions are relevant.
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:00 AM
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Regardless of whether or not there is still love in a marriage, married is still married. No 'if's, 'and's, or 'but's. As long as in the eyes of the law AND in the church you are still married, I don't care if you can't get along, you entered into that situation and you remain in that situation until you take yourself out. To say it otherwise is like saying that you can commit adultery as long as you don't want to sleep with your own spouse anymore.

Anyway, I agree with Ennyllorac. It's a moot point.
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