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Old 05-22-2007, 11:48 AM
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We tend to forget that after it was such an outpour of grief and such pressure on the RF after Diana's death it was extraordinarily tough and brave from prince Charles to announce he was going to actually marry Camilla.
The RF and their aides couldn't have foreseen how the public was going to react. Thus the move with "Duchess of Cornwall" made and makes sense. I could have offended the public using the "princess of Wales"-title and it really doesn't make that much difference for all concerned. Either way she is officially recognized as HRH and the wife of The Prince Charles, heir to the throne. But of course she is going to be queen, a crowned queen consort! Those who want it differently are not the staunch supporters of the monarchy anyway, so why bother with them? Government had enough time to do something against tradition, they didn't and I don't see it coming.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:12 PM
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Because Diana is still such a source of profit to them, I suppose. And because they know how to stir up public resentment against the monarchy, and the royal advisors know it.
Hear hear Elspeth!!Do they know how to stirr up resentment?And to play the fools that buy it.

And,the Daily Express never misses a beat in bashing against both Charles and Camilla,and please,do take their "Poll" with a bucket of salt "thousands who voted"...indeed,my foot!If they were here in The Netherlands they would be sued broke.

As for Camilla,Duchess of Cornwall's future title?Queen.No doubt.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:37 PM
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...But of course she is going to be queen, a crowned queen consort! Those who want it differently are not the staunch supporters of the monarchy anyway, so why bother with them? Government had enough time to do something against tradition, they didn't and I don't see it coming.
That's exactly what I don't get. I was a Diana fan and have since moved on. Good rest her soul but Camilla is Charles' wife, period. She does a good job keeping him happy. She also does a good job in her royal duties. So how can people claim to support the monarchy and not support the BRF? Camilla has an impecable track record since joining the family. Another check in the box for Queen Camilla.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:14 PM
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I wish that Camilla would use her most senior title, HRH The Princess of Wales.
Camilla has the title, she probably just isn't that bothered about using it. I firmly believe that she would be happy to be plain old Mrs Windsor. Another thing to remember is that Charles was the Duke of Cornwall before he was PoW. The Scots don't have a problem with it, Camilla is the Duchess of Rothesay, the same as Diana or any wife of Prince Charles would be.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:42 PM
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Camilla has the title, she probably just isn't that bothered about using it. I firmly believe that she would be happy to be plain old Mrs Windsor. Another thing to remember is that Charles was the Duke of Cornwall before he was PoW. The Scots don't have a problem with it, Camilla is the Duchess of Rothesay, the same as Diana or any wife of Prince Charles would be.
And I guess that Charles calls her Camilla and she him Charles or whatever name they like at the moment and all the other people except family and frineds call them Royal Highness so the actual title doesn't mean anything in their normal lives. It would have been different, though, if Camilla was deprived of her rightful title as HRH. IMHO.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:56 PM
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And I guess that Charles calls her Camilla and she him Charles or whatever name they like at the moment and all the other people except family and frineds call them Royal Highness so the actual title doesn't mean anything in their normal lives. It would have been different, though, if Camilla was deprived of her rightful title as HRH. IMHO.
Titles can be a pain in the ****, IMO, always wondering at the back of your mind whether X is friends with you as a person or as Lord or Lady something. Having said that, I too am glad she is an HRH!
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:57 PM
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Does anyone but a Diana fan read the Express?

Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death

The readership of the Daily Express is to get the final say on Princess Diana's death, the coroner announced yesterday. Lady Eliza Manningham-Butler-Sloss told a preliminary court hearing that she did not want the panel to be drawn from the Royal Household, and this was an easy way of ensuring that it was not

DeadBrain - Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death
I don't Skydragon.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:10 PM
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Camilla has the title, she probably just isn't that bothered about using it. I firmly believe that she would be happy to be plain old Mrs Windsor. Another thing to remember is that Charles was the Duke of Cornwall before he was PoW. The Scots don't have a problem with it, Camilla is the Duchess of Rothesay, the same as Diana or any wife of Prince Charles would be.
Of course you are right but it is still not fair because Camilla should also be able to use anyone of her titles. The fact is, as long as she isn't comfortable saying she is the Princess of Wales, it won't be a fair situation. She should feel comfortable doing that and she should do it, and say to all who tell her she's disrespecting Diana or whatever. Yes, she is Duchess of Cornwall, Rothesay, Countess of Chester, Carrick, and all the rest, but she is above all Princess of Wales and there shouldn't be any discussion or debate or confusion about it. There. I've had my rant.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:19 PM
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If Camilla had decided to use the Princess of Wales title, the obbesessed Princess Diana fans would be baying for her blood. Is it really such a big deal if she doesen't use the title Camilla is still going to become Queen.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:23 PM
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Hopefully, when the time comes everyone will be accepting of her using the title Queen. After all, it isn't one ever held by Diana, so that connection isn't there.
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Well, yes, but it is the thought, I believe, that since Camilla commited adultery that she is not worthy of the style of Queen. The fact that she and Charles were so blatant about it irks some people I believe. And the fact that despite indications to the contrary, people believe that Diana and Charles would have had a happy and successful relationship had Camilla not been involved.

That might very well have been true, but unfortunately we will never know. And the fact of the matter is, people are always judged by their past actions, and those past actions follow them around like bad body odour. So despite the good that Camilla might be doing now, she is forever coloured by her previous bad behaviour. Unfortunately, she is the only one being held accountable for her behaviour.

Furthermore, there is the argument that having committed such behaviour, she and Charles are not worthy to head the COE as adultery is a sin.

And I firmly believe that people should be held accoutable for their actions, but once held accountable should be allowed to get on with their lives. Now, having said that, the question would be, does the British public believe that Camilla has been held accountable and has she done enough to justify being called a Queen? I am not British, so in the end my opinion really does not count. However, I think that if she is happy with Princess Consort then everyone should just let the matter be. Although, Princess Camilla sounds like a name for a teenager.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:20 PM
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Well, yes, but it is the thought, I believe, that since Camilla commited adultery that she is not worthy of the style of Queen.
Well, that would have made Diana unsuitable to be queen as well!

If anyone is prepared to base an opinion on a 'phone in' poll in the Express, they should bear in mind that there are many Diana fans willing to spend a fortune to try to influence the vote and there are very few 'ordinary' Brits who would phone vote in the first place. You can tell how scientific it is by the '1000's' (how many exactly). 2 out of 3 marriages end in divorce in the UK, with adultery probably one of the main reasons.
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If Charles and Diana decided not to finalize their divorce in 1997 and if Diana were alive, would she be eligible to be Queen, even though she has commited adulteries herself? And by that logic, Charles is not eligible to be King as well (actually, around 99% of the British Kings would not be)

Imho, it's not about the personal life of the Royals, its about the work they do. And traditions. The Duchess of Cornwall does an excellent job as the Prince of Wales' wife. And in this case we are talking about tradition that exists for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:29 PM
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It's not about the personal life of the Royals, its about the work they do. And traditions. The Duchess of Cornwall does an excellent job as the Prince of Wales' wife. And in this case we are talking about tradition that exists for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
Very well said Avalon!
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Well, yes, but it is the thought, I believe, that since Camilla commited adultery that she is not worthy of the style of Queen.
The monarchy is a constitutional system in which the head of state is 'delivered' via the principle of hereditary succession, no more, no less. In Britain this head of state is called King. And his female consort is known as the Queen. No more, no less.

Having a happy marriage or not, being faithful or not, is in fact of no any importance for this. And, extending your way of thinking: should a wife to a royal Duke also be denied the title when there is adultery in the game? Should Diana have lost her style 'Princess of Wales' because of her adulteries?
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:36 PM
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Goodness me, if adultery was a ban on people holding the title of Queen Consort then we'd have lost quite a few.

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Old 05-22-2007, 10:05 PM
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If Charles and Diana decided not to finalize their divorce in 1997 and if Diana were alive, would she be eligible to be Queen, even though she has commited adulteries herself? And by that logic, Charles is not eligible to be King as well (actually, around 99% of the British Kings would not be)

Imho, it's not about the personal life of the Royals, its about the work they do. And traditions. The Duchess of Cornwall does an excellent job as the Prince of Wales' wife. And in this case we are talking about tradition that exists for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
Just one correction: The ink of the divorce of Charles and Diana was dry in 1996. I don't remember the month or day but I remember that when Diana died it was said to have been about one year since she lost her HRH title.

About adultery and Queens, I doubt the Queen Mother was ever unfaithful; I doubt Queen Mary was ever unfaithful; I strongly doubt Queen Victoria ever loved any except Prince Albert, although there are rumors about that servant, John Browne? But just that: rumors. I think the past is the past. The bottom line is that now Camilla is the wife of the Prince of Wales. That alone makes her eligible to be Princess of Wales, and when he is King, she is rightly to be his Queen. End of story.
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In whose opinion, most of the people on these forums are not British. As I am sure you know, the media 'select' the type of person to ask in surveys, (either from their dress, colour of skin, age, etc).
Very well said. [/font]

So true and I know this is a little off topic, but, I thought I read somewhere that the British people themselves don't think it will be popular reign and that it will be a lead in for anti-monarchists in the government to get rid of it, because of Charles' both spoken-out and letters to government officials regarding health care, environment, architectural projects and others.

Back to topic: I just wish that these polls, discussion and the like would just go away and people accept that Camilla will be Queen. I realize that the prime minister office and parliament need to approach it in such a 'sensitive' way for Diana followers, but the money and time being spent on such a trivial issue could be spent wisely elsewhere. She should be Queen. She's the wife of a future King! If I had the money, I bet there are those in the government who wish the Charles will die before coming to the throne, so this issue will go away.
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Old 05-22-2007, 10:23 PM
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Goodness me, if adultery was a ban on people holding the title of Queen Consort then we'd have lost quite a few.
Besides, it took three to tango! (Of course, I don't know who 'tangoed' first--Diana or Charles).
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Charles doesn't need approval from the newspapers to make his wife Queen. She WILL be Queen automatically unless Parliament passes legislation specifically removing her rank and title, which will never happen.

Camilla will be crowned Queen Consort if and when her husband becomes King. The monarchy has to be above political nonsense.
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