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Old 05-21-2007, 04:24 AM
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Non-British members of this forum are entitled to express their opinions too, you know.
I think you may have misunderstood my point, which was that although HRH Kimetha may have seen and read a variety of opinions on this forum and in the media, when it comes down to it, it will only be the British (whether they are in Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada etc) whose opinion and judgement will count.
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...there's still a significant number of people who believe that William should become king after the present reign is over, regardless of whether Charles is still alive, and that does give a clue that Charles isn't as popular as he might be. Mind you, with all the publicity of the William-Kate breakup and the photos of the nightclubbing, the public perception of William as the great saviour of the monarchy might be on less firm ground than it was.
General opinion is already turning to Charles & Camilla here in the UK. The crowds that now greet them are growing, more causes are asking Camilla to become their patron and all this after only 2 years!

As you say, William lost many 'fans' over the media's reason for the breakup!
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:40 AM
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I think that whole "savior of the monarchy" tag was applied after his mother's death and there was a huge swell of grief and sympathy for both him and his brother. After the divorces and the other such problems, people looked to him as a member of the younger generation of royals to set a tone for the family when he got older, married and eventually became King. People should have known that when people grow up, they make mistakes (all the nightclubbing, photos of drunken boob-grasping) and they have to learn from them. That doesn't mean he can't be an influential person as King, but they should ease up on that a bit.

IIRC The Time frontpage asking if William was the 'savious of the monarchy' came out when he was 12, shortly after the separation and before either the divorce or death.
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Old 05-21-2007, 01:53 PM
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Charles reportedly making a bid for Queen Camilla

Since she wed her Prince over two years ago, the Duchess of Cornwall has taken her royal duties with aplomb and has succeeded in gaining the respect, and gradually the affection of the British people.

Charles reportedly making a bid for 'Queen Camilla'
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:05 PM
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I think you may have misunderstood my point, which was that although HRH Kimetha may have seen and read a variety of opinions on this forum and in the media, when it comes down to it, it will only be the British (whether they are in Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada etc) whose opinion and judgement will count.
Depends what you mean about how it'll count. I don't see public opinion, in Britain or anywhere else, overriding the succession laws. Even if William is far more popular than Charles, Charles will succeed his mother.

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General opinion is already turning to Charles & Camilla here in the UK. The crowds that now greet them are growing, more causes are asking Camilla to become their patron and all this after only 2 years!

As you say, William lost many 'fans' over the media's reason for the breakup!
I'd gathered that that was the case; however, I don't know that relative popularity is that big a factor. If it were, we might as well just give up on monarchy and go with an elected head of state - and I'd really hate to see that happen.
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:35 PM
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Depends what you mean about how it'll count. I don't see public opinion, in Britain or anywhere else, overriding the succession laws. Even if William is far more popular than Charles, Charles will succeed his mother.
The majority of posters on this forum seem to be American, therefore it would, IMO, be hard to base the opinion that Charles reign will not be popular on views posted on this forum.
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I don't know that relative popularity is that big a factor. If it were, we might as well just give up on monarchy and go with an elected head of state - and I'd really hate to see that happen.
That was a reply to Charles not being popular, if after 2 years they have managed to change some of their subjects minds, then give it another 2 and they will be riding higher still.
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The succession is not popularity contest - although from the media you would think it was!

Many people were not happy with the thought of Edward, Prince of Wales, taking over from Victoria. However, during his 9 year reign, he became very popular bringing something different to the job.

George V had only become heir as an adult, when his older brother died. He had been in the Navy since little more than a child, and was very reserved and shy. However, he and his Queen (fomerly Princess Mary of Teck) were much beloved during a reign of 35 years.

However, Edward VIII, who had been a very popular Prince of Wales, caused great concern during his less than one year reign. Who knows, if he had agreed to give up Wallis Simpson, he may have continued as Monarch for many years and become popular again.

There was great concern when Edward's brother succeeded him as George VI (he was actually called Albert, and had a younger brother called George, but decided - as monarchs can - to be known as George in the interests of continuing and stability). Albert was extremely reserved and had a very noticeable stammer. Many people in the Government, and even the Court, though the job would be too much for him. However, although with some dismay, he succeeded in according with the laws of succession. With the help of his wife (the former Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, later The Queen Mother) he mastered his stammer, and they were greatly loved figureheads during the War years.

I am sure that Charles will bring his own qualities to the position and that he will be popular. To suggest that because many people were devoted to, even obsessed with, Princess Diana, he will be a 'bad king' or that Camilla should never be Queen if Charles is King, is putting tabloid interpretation on the situation. He is next in line and there is no precedent to 'jump' to a younger person just because the media think he has more 'star' (or 'soap opera'!) quality. That is not the nature of the job. William is still learning and maturing and will be all the better for it when his time ultimately comes.

(On the suggestion that it is only British people who can have an opinion on this - I think perhaps those people outside the UK do not get as complete a picture of Charles - or any other member of the RF - as those living here. The media exposure they will mostly be seeing will largely be of the tabloid variety. This makes it difficult to get a rounded view. I feel it isn't that they 'can't' have a view, just that it might not be such an informed view.)
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Old 05-21-2007, 03:06 PM
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On the suggestion that it is only British people who can have an opinion on this - I think perhaps those people outside the UK do not get as complete a picture of Charles - or any other member of the RF - as those living here. The media exposure they will mostly be seeing will largely be of the tabloid variety. This makes it difficult to get a rounded view. I feel it isn't that they 'can't' have a view, just that it might not be such an informed view.
I was not suggesting that only the British can have an opinion or indeed that other posters, from other countries can't have a view. Nor was I suggesting that it is just a popularity contest, only that whatever some posters on here may want to believe, whether we abolish the monarchy tomorrow, Charles and Camillas popularity has grown in the UK and beyond.

The majority of people who express a view on forums like this, are not from the UK and only have the media and other posters (normally non Brits) opinions to base their opinion on.
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:10 PM
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Yes, Skydragon. I agree with you - I was only trying to put it another way as someone who responded to you did, IMO, seem to get your point. :-)

Sorry - there was a 'not' missing!! Great confusion, Skydragon. I really should do my postings a little earlier in the evening!!
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:48 PM
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I was only trying to put it another way as someone who responded to you did, IMO, seem to get your point. :-)
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:54 PM
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Well, never mind - let's try to get past the confusion into the clear light of day and all that good stuff.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:31 AM
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Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: News / Showbiz :: 90% say no to Queen Camilla


90% SAY NO TO QUEEN CAMILLA


PRINCE Charles faces huge public opposition to Camilla becoming Queen despite a two-year charm offensive, a Daily Express opinion poll revealed last night.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:06 AM
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Does anyone but a Diana fan read the Express?

Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death

The readership of the Daily Express is to get the final say on Princess Diana's death, the coroner announced yesterday. Lady Eliza Manningham-Butler-Sloss told a preliminary court hearing that she did not want the panel to be drawn from the Royal Household, and this was an easy way of ensuring that it was not

DeadBrain - Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:31 AM
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Does anyone but a Diana fan read the Express?

Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death

The readership of the Daily Express is to get the final say on Princess Diana's death, the coroner announced yesterday. Lady Eliza Manningham-Butler-Sloss told a preliminary court hearing that she did not want the panel to be drawn from the Royal Household, and this was an easy way of ensuring that it was not

DeadBrain - Daily Express readers to get final say on Diana death
That was a good one!

But to answer your question: obviously 10% of its readers are no Diana-fans or how come only 90% were against a "Queen Camilla"?
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What was done to Diana? That interview could be taken a number of ways. Was the late princess without fault? I have no intention of bashing her since I too was a Diana fan but don't try to make her out to be a saint. These polls are very inconsistent!

The thought to bypass is also getting pretty old. How many of these polled are divorcees?!

Camilla should be queen once her husband ascends the thrown.
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:02 AM
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What was done to Diana? That interview could be taken a number of ways. Was the late princess without fault? I have no intention of bashing her since I too was a Diana fan but don't try to make her out to be a saint. These polls are very inconsistent!

The thought to bypass is also getting pretty old. How many of these polled are divorcees?!

Camilla should be queen once her husband ascends the thrown.
Another satire about the Daily Express:

Camilla Will Never Be Queen Nor Princess Of Hearts Big Brother Celebrity News & Gossip : Anorak

Camilla Will Never Be Queen Nor Princess Of Hearts


THE debate on whether Prince Charles should be King has shifted and readers are now asked to contemplate the full majesty of Queen Camilla.

Of course, before we go on we should say the current regent, Elizabeth, is in rude health. There is every reason to believe that with the right power supply and hardwood teeth Liz can go on for many decades, as her mother did.

Queen Camilla may never occur. And any chance that it will is dashed by the Express. The paper has conducted a poll of its readers and in response to the Question Would you like the woman who as good as killed Princess Diana to be our Queen 90% answered to the negative.
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Another satire about the Daily Express:

...Queen Camilla may never occur. And any chance that it will is dashed by the Express...
Thanks, Jo of Palatine. What's their next headline? "Turf Wars: Easter Bunny Caught Delivery Christmas Presents"?

Do they think they have that much clout?
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I wish that Camilla would use her most senior title, HRH The Princess of Wales.
I know that people associate it with Diana, and I love Diana as much as anyone, but I still feel that it is right and proper for Camilla to have this title now. I wish that Camilla would use her highest title and not be called merely Duchess of Cornwall. I just feel this simply and strongly. I think it is sad that she feels it necessary to use a secondary title.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:14 AM
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I think it might just confuse people. Half the time she's still referred to as Camilla Parker Bowles in the press; if they can't get their collective heads around "Duchess of Cornwall," and given that Diana is still such a money spinner for them, I have a feeling they'd either ignore her Princess of Wales title or use it to cause discontent among the public as a way to sell more newspapers and magazines. Camilla is beginning to wear jewellery with the Prince of Wales feathers, and that may be the closest we'll get to seeing her claim the title.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:34 AM
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I think it might just confuse people. Half the time she's still referred to as Camilla Parker Bowles in the press; if they can't get their collective heads around "Duchess of Cornwall," and given that Diana is still such a money spinner for them, I have a feeling they'd either ignore her Princess of Wales title or use it to cause discontent among the public as a way to sell more newspapers and magazines. Camilla is beginning to wear jewellery with the Prince of Wales feathers, and that may be the closest we'll get to seeing her claim the title.
It is just cruel. It is tragic. It makes me really, terribly sad to think of this.
But why does she and the family give in so easily? If they and she would use all of her titles, repeatedly, everyday of the rest of her life, eventually people would get used to it, no? Just like they got used to it with Diana, with Alexandra, and every other Princess of Wales before? They would get used to it with Camilla. I think it is cruel that the family feels compelled to give in to public opinion on something so ......trivial.
They don't give in to public opinion on many things, but on this, why?
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Because Diana is still such a source of profit to them, I suppose. And because they know how to stir up public resentment against the monarchy, and the royal advisors know it.
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