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Old 12-01-2018, 06:35 AM
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Does anyone reckon Sonia Keppel was actually Edward VII's illegitimate child?

For those who don't know, Sonia Keppel was the Duchess of Cormwall's grandmother. Queen Victoria banned royal bastards from court and deemed them as "ghosts best forgotten", but Edward VII of course had many flings, and Alice Keppel was his most famous mistress, favoured between 1898 and his death in 1910. Sonia was born in 1900, and looking at portraits done when she was 20 and Edward was roundabout the same age, I think there's a rather dodgy resemblance. Alice's husband Lt.-Col. George Keppel acknowledged Sonia of course, but I don't rule out the possibility of her being Edward's in a very well orchestrated cover-up as George would conveniently leave when Edward stopped by the Keppels' home in Portman Square.
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Old 12-03-2018, 06:37 AM
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Anything is possible, although I guess we will never know.
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:39 AM
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That would be interesting, if it was true, it would make Camilla a great-granddaughter of King Edward VII alike her mother-in-law Queen Elizabeth II....

Edward von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha
x Alice Frederica Edmonstone
= Sonia Rosemary von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, known as "Keppel"

Sonia Rosemary von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, known as "Keppel"
x Roland Calvert Cubitt, 3rd Baron Ashcombe, DL
= The Hon. Rosalind Maud Cubitt

The Hon. Rosalind Maud Cubitt
x Major Bruce Middleton Hope Shand MC and bar, DL
= Camilla Rosemary Shand


Edward VII
1 - Sonia (daughter)
2 - Rosalind (granddaughter)
3 - Camilla (great-granddaughter)


Edward VII
1 - George V (son)
2 - George VI (grandson)
3 - Elizabeth II (great-granddaughter)
4 - Charles (great-great-grandson)
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:25 AM
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From reading the histories of the time, I think it is a very strong possibility that Sonia Keppel is the child of Edward Vii.
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Andrew Parker Bowles has been diagnosed with Coronavirus, which he apparently caught at Cheltenham. Where several members of the RF attended.

https://twitter.com/majestymagazine/...138800130?s=21
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Old 04-01-2020, 04:36 PM
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Oh dear. I hope he will be fine. Didn't Princess Anne and her family attend too? I hope they will stay fine too.
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Well there were questions at the time about whether it was wise to go ahead with the race meeting. Government advice was that it was ok. Other sporting events were happening at the same time. Cheltenham is such a large gathering & of course huge numbers always attend from Ireland so the potential for spreading the virus widely was always there.
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Old 04-01-2020, 05:26 PM
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Oh dear. I hope he will be fine. Didn't Princess Anne and her family attend too? I hope they will stay fine too.
Yes, I believe it was where we saw Peter and Autumn together for the first time after the announcement of their divorce.
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His family and friends must be worried since he's 80. Hopefully he'll recover quickly like Charles.
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He is older than Charles, so definitely in more risk.
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Old 04-04-2020, 11:13 PM
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Oh dear. I hope he will be fine. Didn't Princess Anne and her family attend too? I hope they will stay fine too.
Zara and Anne were photographed with Andrew the first day of the event. And Peter and Autumn, and Mike, were all there over the days.

I was surprised to read the news. Both Camilla's husband and ex-husband have been struck. Hopefully Andrew makes a good recovery like Charles has. But he is older and I am not sure if he is as healthy as Charles is either.

For the sake of her kids and grandkids, it cant be too easy on Camilla worried about him after her concern for Charles.

Charles, Andrew PB, and the Brooksbanks. The royal family certainly has been hit, even if just on the extensions with exception to Charles.
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Victoria Arbiter wrote a column for Honey Channel 9 on Mark Shand (conservationist and author) and how Charles & Camilla are keeping his legacy alive.

https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/mar...8-4c708c65bd4e
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Victoria Arbiter wrote a column for Honey Channel 9 on Mark Shand (conservationist and author) and how Charles & Camilla are keeping his legacy alive.

https://honey.nine.com.au/royals/mar...8-4c708c65bd4e
Such a moving article. I’m so sorry that Mark Shand died so young, that Camilla lost a beloved brother and the elephants a loving advocate. She’s doing her brother proud...It hurts to read about the poor elephants being abused and slaughtered
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Old 01-01-2021, 05:48 PM
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I would love to see a definitive deep dive into the life of Camilla's paternal grandmother, Edith Marguerite "Margot" Harrington Shand Tippet. Accounts of her actions as a mother vary drastically, and at least some of them - including, traditionally, the most prominent ones - are definitely untrue. I have an impression the last decades of her life consisted of poverty and loneliness, but I would love to be wrong.

She's frequently been described as abandoning her son after her divorce and her move to the US with the golf course designer. The Daily Mail has said this, at least one book I've read has said it, and apparently - though I haven't read it - Bruce Shand gave the impression that this was the case in his memoirs. Whether he meant to do so or whether it's just that his wording accidentally gave the wrong impression, I'm not sure.

However, passenger manifests definitely confirm he sailed into New York with her, arriving in first class on the Cedric in 1921 and the Carmania in 1923 (thanks, StatueofLiberty.org!). Accounts agree that the Depression ended his stepfather's design career, and the family returned to England so he could take up much more modest golf club administration work.

Sources seem to agree that Bruce's father Philip was always absent from his life, but his education - beginning with Rugby School - was paid for by Philip's parents. It's frequently claimed that, after the return to Britain, he spent more time with his paternal grandparents than with his mother. This might explain why he might have been turned against his mother (if he indeed was), however his stepfather's Wikipedia page claims that the Tippets and the elder Shands remained friends, and that his paternal grandmother even moved in with his mother and stepfather after being widowed.

I haven't seen anything to indicate Bruce's stepfather wasn't a decent guy. He served his country as a soldier and seems to have worked hard. However, he wasn't financially successful. Sources also agree that Bruce's mother was left very badly off after her husband died in 1947. Wikipedia puts the value of his estate at 666 pounds. She spent her life thereafter about an hour away from her son's home, and I would love to think she was included in his family circle.

Her character and her relationship with her son are definitely murky, and it would be nice to see this cleared up.
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This might explain why he might have been turned against his mother (if he indeed was), however his stepfather's Wikipedia page claims that the Tippets and the elder Shands remained friends, and that his paternal grandmother even moved in with his mother and stepfather after being widowed.

Yes, the 1939 England & Wales National Register shows Bruce's paternal grandmother August Shand living with his mother Edith and stepfather Charles Tippets at Walton-on-the-Hill, Surrey where Charles was secretary for a golf club.
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Old 01-02-2021, 12:29 AM
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Yes, the 1939 England & Wales National Register shows Bruce's paternal grandmother August Shand living with his mother Edith and stepfather Charles Tippets at Walton-on-the-Hill, Surrey where Charles was secretary for a golf club.
Thank you for confirming that! There's something touching about that arrangement.

I've wondered if her son assisted her financially in later years. If there was such a close relationship, perhaps other Shands did as well.
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