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Old 10-02-2017, 09:32 AM
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Think about it this way. If Charles' marriage had been a happy and healthy one and secure, no one and their wild horses would have affected it. People usually don't go looking for a repairman until the appliance has broken down.
The appliance in this case didn't break down by itself, I don't find this to be an adequate reasoning to excuse Camilla's active part in the breakdown of it. People say this all the time to excuse an adulterer/mistress in marriage - and it doesn't hold well in my opinion.

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I agree with you that the Camilla we see today is a strong consort for Charles and has served the "Firm" admirably over the years. It is her role and her support of Charles in the here and now that is most important. People are genuinely warming up to her and those that have met her find her to be a warm hearted, down to earth person with a good outlook on life.
Well then that's what everyone should focus on, imo.

And when people rightfully point out the harm she caused that should simply be accepted and acknowledge without trying to justify it. Justification is actually a defensive maneuver meant to distance Camilla from her wrongdoing. Best to just accept the criticism, acknowledge it but don't feed it and get on with her royal duties. That's what she's doing and I think that's a good way to help her with the public.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:41 AM
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The appliance in this case didn't break down by itself, I don't find this to be an adequate reasoning to excuse Camilla's active part in the breakdown of it. People say this all the time to excuse an adulterer/mistress in marriage - and it doesn't hold well in my opinion.
When we set the stage to really look at things objectively, we find that there were many, many more players involved than just three. Out of all of them, what remains today is two people still strongly supporting each other. That is the gist of it all. The rest needs to be filed away in the ancient history folder.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:00 AM
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When we set the stage to really look at things objectively, we find that there were many, many more players involved than just three. Out of all of them, what remains today is two people still strongly supporting each other. That is the gist of it all. The rest needs to be filed away in the ancient history folder.
Well, generally speaking, I think we do better when we allow people to feel upset about what happened. I think Camilla does better there too. She allows it but doesn't feed into it or even try to defend it. She just focuses on doing her best to be the best royal she can be.

She hasn't won me over per se - but I respect the work she's doing and I can sympathize with her feelings before the marriage when she wasn't allowed into the BRF. That doesn't excuse for me what came later but I can understand and sympathize with her position better.

But like we said - I prefer to focus on what she's doing now. Even thinking of how long they've stuck together still leaves a bad taste because that shouldn't have happened. Can't praise her for it - at best I can just acknowledge that it was very unfortunate and look at her actions today.

I do think she's trying very hard to be the best she can be and that helps her more in my eyes than any defense attempts on her part or others.
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Old 10-02-2017, 11:18 PM
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There is a 'star-crossed lovers' narrative that seems to have been peddled by certain writers and journalist over the last few years. It seems to consist of Charles and Camilla falling deeply in love but realising that their love could never be, because of tradition and expectations.

In fact, Charles didn't propose to Camilla before she married APB. He apparently whiffle waffled about being too young, and, (it's been surmised), because Camilla had had lovers and was therefore unacceptable to the BRF. There's never been any evidence that he spoke to his parents about his feelings for Camilla during this period, though he clearly was in love.

It's just a shame that Charles didn't make his mind up that Camilla was 'non-negotiable' to him then, before two marriages were wrecked and four children affected.

It's often taken for granted that Camilla was as deeply in love as Charles was. Yes, she was deeply in love, just not with the POW, though she was probably fond of him.

However, every indication is that it was Andrew PB who was in her sights, that she was determined to become his wife, even though he was a prominent womaniser, and she adored him.

Charles went out with Camilla while Andrew was serving in the army in Ireland, so neither of them minded cheating on a man Camilla was obsessed with marrying. It is very very doubtful that even if Charles had mentioned marriage Camilla would have accepted, IMO.
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Old 10-02-2017, 11:55 PM
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Don’t Penny Junor ever get tired of trying to rewrite history? She and so many others have been trying to do this for such a long time.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:14 AM
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I do think she's trying very hard to be the best she can be and that helps her more in my eyes than any defense attempts on her part or others.
I agree and at this point in time this is all that she can do.
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:24 AM
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Don’t Penny Junor ever get tired of trying to rewrite history? She and so many others have been trying to do this for such a long time.
I am not a big fan of Junor's but it is not a given that the first version of the story was the true version. IIRC even Andrew Morton said that "her true story" does not equate to "the true story".

I understand the points that are being made above that perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the present and not try to explain or justify what went on in the past but that does not mean that there is not additional information that is valid. Also I do think that there may be people who are captivated by the Charles and Camilla love story, although I agree with the point above that the "star-crossed lovers" version may have actually been more one-sided in the earlier years.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:51 AM
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Don’t Penny Junor ever get tired of trying to rewrite history? She and so many others have been trying to do this for such a long time.
"Rewriting History" implies that the real story is well known. As far i know it's not the case (and don't talk to me about Morton).
I think Junor was not too far off the mark...
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Old 10-03-2017, 07:19 AM
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"Rewriting History" implies that the real story is well known. As far i know it's not the case (and don't talk to me about Morton).
I think Junor was not too far off the mark...
She and Morton (among others) just don’t get enough. They’ve been rewriting these people’s lives for a long time now.

It’s like enough is enough.

Part of the public has embraced Camilla, so let’s just leave it at that.
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Old 12-29-2017, 04:15 PM
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You know 90% of people talked about how Camilla looked in the 90's and I was one of them. But though I used to remark back then that she aged fast, she has definitely stopped aging in the last decade; she often looks so radiant.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:57 AM
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:09 AM
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You know 90% of people talked about how Camilla looked in the 90's and I was one of them. But though I used to remark back then that she aged fast, she has definitely stopped aging in the last decade; she often looks so radiant.
I agree. She can look drop dead glamorous in ceremonial wear Picture.
In long daywear (like in Amsterdam): Picture.
And of course her usual BIG hats and BIG chokers: Picture.|

The last old-style female royal in the core royal family, I would say.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:16 PM
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I have warmed to Camilla considerably over the years.

She is hard working and I admire her charitable work including the work she's done on domestic abuse. She's been very supportive to Prince Charles who seems much happier and more relaxed since their marriage than I've ever since him before.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:22 PM
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Oh I have definitely warmed to Camilla especially since her warm relationship with Meghan. Let me just say that I was a Diana fan and didn't care for Charles or Camilla in particular. But seeing how they have both welcomed and supported Meghan as a woman of colour has changed my mind about them completely!

It has ben almost 21 years since Diana's death! Time to forget the past and look to the future!
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:23 PM
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I think Camilla has more than earned the respect due to her position. She is an extremely hard worker and also seems to be someone who is easy to talk to judging by the videos of her speaking to people during her engagements, I admire the way she supports Prince Charles and also both Harry and Meghan.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:36 PM
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I think both sides on this affair issue are wrong. At the end of the day, Charles and Camilla did have an affair while both are married. Of course people will be upset. I love Charles and Camilla now, but I always thought it was terribly unwise to go on justifying his own action. He says the marriage was irretrievably broken, but guess what? He hasn't left. It was an affair in every sense of the word. Own it and move on.

On the other hand, cheating isn't a good thing, but good people do not so good things sometimes. Cheating isn't the worst thing in this world, and I'm speaking as someone who has been cheated on. You learn and you move on. It's been over 20 years since the Waleses divorced. Time to let it go.

I think Camilla has done great work in literacy and domestic violence. Top it off, she seems like an awesome lady to be around. Just because she had an affair, doesn't change all that.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:44 PM
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And lets not forget her work with animals as she herself has adopted dogs and still to this day they live with her and Charles. She is a big animal lover and that is something huge in my book......I give her tons of credit for all that she has accomplished on her own. She and Charles in my book are highly underestimated by most everyone.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:50 PM
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I think what I have come to know and like about Camilla is that what you see is what you get with her. She's real. She's down to earth and a woman very comfortable in her own skin. Along with tackling some very serious issues, I sometimes catch her "inner child" when she is around animals and reading with children. She has done wonders for Charles and together they make a pretty good team of things.
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:17 PM
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I think both sides on this affair issue are wrong. At the end of the day, Charles and Camilla did have an affair while both are married. Of course people will be upset. I love Charles and Camilla now, but I always thought it was terribly unwise to go on justifying his own action. He says the marriage was irretrievably broken, but guess what? He hasn't left. It was an affair in every sense of the word. Own it and move on.

On the other hand, cheating isn't a good thing, but good people do not so good things sometimes. Cheating isn't the worst thing in this world, and I'm speaking as someone who has been cheated on. You learn and you move on. It's been over 20 years since the Waleses divorced. Time to let it go.

I think Camilla has done great work in literacy and domestic violence. Top it off, she seems like an awesome lady to be around. Just because she had an affair, doesn't change all that.
This is not a thread about events that took place over 21 years ago. It is about Camilla and the public and by its very nature is current. When and where will we ever be able to discuss Camilla without someone dredging up ancient history!
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:19 PM
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This is not a thread about events that took place over 21 years ago. It is about Camilla and the public and by its very nature is current. When and where will we ever be able to discuss Camilla without someone dredging up ancient history!
No one can deny what happened decades ago has a HUGE impact on The Duchess of Cornwall and Prince of Wales' standing with the public. There is NO reason why they should continuously poll as low as they do if that didn't happen. Absolutely none.
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