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Old 05-10-2017, 03:09 PM
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But the coat of arms does not show the Bourbon-Bousset's are illegitimate.

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Yes it does. The red "barre" or "baton sinister" in the royal arms of France shows that the Bourbon-Bussets are an illegitimate branch of the French royal family.

Another example:


We see the Royal Arms with England, Scotland and Ireland. In the heartshield we see the Arms of Hannover. These are the arms of King William IV of Great-Britain and Hannover. There is a "baton sinister" over these double royal arms, which stand for bastardry, an illegitimate branch.

And indeed: it was the Arms of the Earls of Munster (extinct in 2000) an illegitimate branch of the royal family which started with the eldest illegitimate son of the King, with an actress.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:50 PM
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I hope we all can still contribute questions about Diana's ancestry/bloodline.

Who are some interesting English/British noble families she descends from--that we haven't discussed? Even though, of course, this is opinion.
you can find all families from all your lists
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:20 AM
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OK. I'm not really that much into tracing family trees and such but you might find this interesting.

Recently I posted about Maurice Roche, 4th Baron Fermoy who's wife was Lady Ruth Fermoy, a good friend of the Queen Mum. Going back one step furthur, we have American socialite Frances Work who married James, 3rd Baron Fermoy who's oldest son was Maurice. So that makes her Diana's great grandmother.

Another interesting tidbit is that Harry and William, having Frances Work Roche as a great great grandmother, through this lineage they also have Oliver Platt, an American actor who shares the same great great grandmother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Ellen_Work

https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-cha...by+burke+roche

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Platt

So, this kind of shows that should Harry and Meghan Markle get engaged and married, he wouldn't be the first in his family tree to have married an American.
Very true! :)

I read in an article that William and Harry are descended from Mary Boleyn (sister of Anne) through three separate lines.
Is that true?
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:33 AM
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If you go over to the British Royal Family Genealogy thread, I've already posted those 3 lines for you.
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:03 PM
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Is Diana related to any Irish noble families?
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Old 06-14-2017, 12:12 PM
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Hi, my name is Sophia, and because of the information you have been sharing I have found out that I am related to Princess Diana! I know I am related to King Henry the 4th of France, so it was quite something to know she was related as well. My last name is Carey, I am a bloodline Carey, so I am also related to Robert, Henry, and all the other Carey's you have mentioned. I just was wondering if anyone knew how Diana was related to the Carey's? To Robert in particular. Was he an uncle of some sorts? Or a cousin? It would be amazing if someone knew! You have all been a real help!! Thank you!
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:36 AM
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A collection of Countess Raine Spencer artefacts are to be auctioned off at Christie's in London
Charlotte Di Carcaci, daughter of Raine shares details of her mum's life

Diana’s stepmother Raine Spencer artefacts up for auction | Daily Mail Online
Why would anyone want "artefacts" from that woman's life? It's not like she was anybody other than the "stepmother of" a woman who was unhappily married to a future king. Why would anybody pay for her junk? None of the things pictured look to be worth much.

Having said that . . . the auction will probably bring in millions. It's not like rich people have taste so they can be persuaded to buy anything.
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:13 AM
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I'd say that Raine was definitely a personalty and well known in in her own right and as the wife of a rich man I am sure that her things are worth sioemthing.
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:03 AM
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Nobody seemed to answer my question about if Diana is related to any Irish noble families.
Here's a new question i have: Is she related to any Kings or Queens of Italy (that ruled after Italy unified)?
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:05 AM
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Queen E2 fan...you can probably google Diana's family tree and find all that out.


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Old 11-28-2017, 12:22 PM
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Nobody seemed to answer my question about if Diana is related to any Irish noble families.
Here's a new question i have: Is she related to any Kings or Queens of Italy (that ruled after Italy unified)?
well yes, she is related to the Fermoys family, which is a peerage in the nobility of Ireland... her mother was the daughter of Baron Fermoy.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:58 PM
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Does anyone have a full list of all the royal houses Diana is (and isn't) related to? It would help my research!
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Does anyone have a full list of all the royal houses Diana is (and isn't) related to? It would help my research!


If you send me a PM, I can send this to you when I get home from work today.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:55 AM
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Ish, I sent you a PM yesterday. Did you get it?
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:39 PM
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Sorry, QueenElizabeth2Fan, I didn't get home until late last night.

I can't list every royal house that Diana was related to... that's too vague of a request for me to be able to easily put together. To be frank, the Spencers are likely related in one way or another to every Royal house in Europe... as is pretty much anyone in Europe. "Related" is very relative (pun not intended), and trying to figure out how two people are related if it's not close is a massive nuisance unless you're using one of those databases that will search it for you. Diana's descended from Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor, which means that she's related to Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel, who with her husband Johan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange, is the most recent common ancestor of every currently reigning European monarch as well as many of the non-reigning royal houses in Europe. Which means Diana's related to all of them, in one way or another.

That said, I can tell you some of the Royal Houses that Diana descended from, based on what I kept track of. I've made a complete ancestry chart for William and Kate, but as it's some 15,000 people large it's not easy to go through and make a list of every royal house that she descended from. I did make notes regarding specific houses though.

Through her father Diana was descended from:
  • 21 English monarch
  • 4 British monarchs
  • 21 Scottish monarchs
  • 12 Welsh monarchs
  • 7 Wessex monarchs
  • 17 Aragon monarchs
  • 20 Castile monarchs
  • 27 Leon monarchs
  • 31 Navarre monarchs
  • 23 Bohemian monarchs
  • 17 Austrian monarchs
  • 27 Holy Roman Emperors
  • 18 Hungarian monarchs
  • 19 Polish monarchs
  • 10 Portugese monarchs
  • 27 French monarchs
  • 19 Norwegian monarchs
  • 16 Swedish monarchs
  • 18 Danish monarch
Through her mother Diana was descended from

  • 18 English monarch
  • 19 Scottish monarchs
  • 12 Welsh monarchs
  • 7 Wessex monarchs
  • 8 Aragon monarchs
  • 8 Castile monarchs
  • 14 Leon monarchs
  • 16 Navarre monarchs
  • 17 Bohemian monarchs
  • 9 Austrian monarchs
  • 18 Holy Roman Emperors
  • 14 Hungarian monarchs
  • 13 Polish monarchs
  • 3 Portugese monarchs
  • 21 French monarchs
  • 15 Norwegian monarchs
  • 15 Swedish monarchs
  • 14 Danish monarchs
That's not combined, as there are common ancestors within that. So, while Earl Spencer was descended from 21 English monarchs and Frances Roche was descended from 18, Prince William is only descended from 21 monarchs (not a combined 39).
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:22 AM
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really does it matter how many royals she is realted to or descended from? we know that she has Stuart blood on the wrong side of the blanket, I cant remember the details but it is as you say Ish a lot of work to decipher every single monarchy that she's related to...
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I remember reading a thread here, mentioning Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria.
Is Diana related to her?
I'm just wondering since the thread did not give an exact answer.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:41 PM
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meanwhile, Lady Diana's lineage stretches far back than Prince Philip's.. you see the House of Oldenburg only stretches as far back as 1101 while Lady Diana's lineage can be traced back as far back as 920..

here is Lady Diana's descent from ancient Norman Nobility..
  • Raoul de Tancarville, 920-?, son of a "Tancrède de Norvège", who came to France with Duke Rollo
  • Gérard de Tancarville, ?-?
  • Gerard "Dapifer" de Tancarville, 1015-?
  • Amaury d'Abetot, Norman nobleman, tenants of the lords of Tancarville in Normandy, ca 1066
  • Robert Despenser, died after 1098, Royal Steward of King William II of England
  • Wlliam Despenser, of Elington, Lincolnshire, born ca 1090
  • Thurston le Despencer, born ca 1122
  • Hugh Despencer, of Rhyale, Rutland, 1152-1199
  • Thomas Despencer, of Elington, Lincolnshire, born 1169 (his fourth son was Hugh le Despenser I whose son Hugh was the ancestor of the medieval Despencer family).
  • Geoffrey le Despencer, of Defford, Worcestershire, 1185-1242
  • John le Despencer, 1235-1251
  • William Spencer, of Defford, Worcestershire, (fl.c.1330), he changed his surname from the original french Le Despenser to the english Spencer
  • John Spencer, of Defford, born 1310
  • Nicholas Spencer, of Defford, born ca 1340
  • Thomas Spencer, of Defford, born 1366
  • Henry Spencer, of Badby, Northamptonshire, 1392-1476
  • John Spencer, of Hodnell, 1420-?
  • William Spencer, of Rodburn, Warwickshire, ?-1485
  • Sir John Spencer, Kt. of Snitterfield & Althorp , 1447-1522
  • Sir William Spencer, Kt. of Wormleighton & Althorp, 1483-1532, married Susan, daughter of Sir Richard Knightley, of Fawsley, Northamptonshire
  • Sir John Spencer, Kt. of Wormleighton & Althorp, 1517-1586
  • Sir John Spencer, Kt. of Wormleighton & Althorp, 1550-1599 married Mary, daughter of Sir Robert Catlyn
  • Robert Spencer, 1st Baron Spencer of Wormleighton 1570-1627
  • William Spencer, 2nd Baron Spencer of Wormleighton 1591–1636
  • Henry Spencer, 1st Earl of Sunderland 1620–1643
  • Robert Spencer, 2nd Earl of Sunderland 1640–1702
  • Charles Spencer, 3rd Earl of Sunderland 1675–1722
  • The Honorable John Spencer 1708-1746
  • John Spencer, 1st Earl Spencer 1734-1783
  • George Spencer, 2nd Earl Spencer 1758-1834
  • Frederick Spencer, 4th Earl Spencer 1798-1857
  • Charles Spencer, 6th Earl Spencer 1857-1922
  • Albert Spencer, 7th Earl Spencer 1892-1975
  • John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer 1924-1992
  • Lady Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales 1961-1997
i remember reading a book where it was stated that Diana always reminds William that his Spencer forefathers can be traced back for a thousand years..
I'm a newbie, reading through these old posts on Diana's ancestry, and feel compelled to respond to some erroneous information. For example, the above pedigree is unproven. There is no evidence that Diana's Spencer family and the baronial Le Despencers belonged to the same family. See "Studies in Peerage and Family History" by J. Horace Round, available online at https://archive.org/stream/studiesin.../278/mode/2up/
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thanks..


on the other hand, i found a connection to Diana with King Edward I of England and his wife Eleonor of Castile through their daughter, Elizabeth Plantagenet, Countess of Hereford.. here is the line..
  • Edward I of England
  • Elizabeth Plantagenet, Countess of Hereford
  • William de Bohun, 1st Earl of Northampton
  • Humphrey de Bohun, 7th Earl of Hereford
  • Lady Eleanor de Bohun
  • James Butler, 2nd Earl of Ormond
  • Eleanor Butler, Countess of Desmond
  • James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond
  • Jane FitzGerald, Countess of Kildare
  • Cormac na Haoine, 10th Prince of Carbery
  • Lady Ellen MacCarthy Reagh
  • William de Barry
  • Helena de Barry
  • Donal III O'Donovan,
  • Donal IV O'Donovan
  • Cornelius O'Donovan
  • Honoria O'Donovan (great grandmother of Edmond Roche, 1st Baron Fermoy)
  • Edward Roche
  • Edmond Roche, 1st Baron Fermoy
  • James Roche, 3rd Baron Fermoy
  • Maurice Roche, 4th Baron Fermoy
  • Frances Roche
  • Diana, Princess of Wales
the only problem is the legitimacy of Lady Ellen MacCarthy Reagh.. in some sources says illegitimate, other sources says she's legitimate.. nevertheless, Direct descendant of Edward I of England and Eleonor of Castile..

i'll try to find other connection with Scottish royal with that of the Fermoy families..
This line is incorrect. The mother of Edward Roche and paternal grandmother of the 1st Baron Fermoy was Frances Coghlan NOT Honoria O'Donovan.

Honoria O'Donovan was the grandmother of Margaret Honoria Curtain, the wife of Edward Roche.
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I remember reading a thread here, mentioning Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria.
Is Diana related to her?
I'm just wondering since the thread did not give an exact answer.
Diana descended from Joanna of Austria (1547-1578), daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I. Joanna married Francesco de Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany and was the mother of Marie de Medici (1575-1642) who married Henry IV King of France.

Marie and Henry IV were the parents of Henrietta Maria (1609-1669) wife of King Charles I and mother of Charles II and James II, both of whom were Diana's ancestors via their illegitimate children.

The Empress Maria Theresa descended from three of Joanna's siblings: Anna (1528-1590), wife of Duke Albert V of Bavaria; Maria (1531-1581), wife of Duke William of Cleves-Julich-Berg; and Charles (1540-1590) who was the father of Emperor Ferdinand II.

Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip have a much closer relationship to Maria Theresa. Both descend from a sister of Empress Elizabeth Christina who was Maria Theresa's mother.
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